The Flyers PK is terrible. I think in large part due to the tactics and scheme that they play but regardless. I don't see Konecny playing on the PK as a big factor. The biggest factor is that he has stepped up offensively and is producing at a high level despite not playing with a legitimate top line center. This is an indication that Konecny is now a play driver independent of linemates.
- MJL

Would you advocate him as a foundational piece? The next 2 yrs the team has little chance of being a top contender. TK's contract is up in 2 yrs. Same with Provy. Basically, the team will need to determine whether extend or trade looking past the next 2 years. These are very interesring decisions which will effect the ability for the team to pivot and get back to true contenders.

yes, i am aware that is more than likely the case lol

and i agree...they just need to draft GOOD players with these first rounders. continue to build. if they nail it, and 3 of the 4 first rounders from 22-24 becomes top line players, you're in a good spot. THEN you can start thinking about adding via FA and trades and such. missing COMPLETELY on FOUR f'n first round picks really really really put the Flyers in a bad way.

Thanks Obama...i mean Hextall!
- Wingdestroyer

Your last comment is ridiculous. The Flyers have been put in a bad way by current management and the organization as a whole, refusing to adapt to the modern day NHL. Continuing to think that they can sign and trade their way to the top. Capping out the team and trading a bunch of draft picks for a quick fix. That is why the Flyers are in a bad way. Hextall added Provorov, Sanheim, Hart, Konecny, Farabee, Frost and a few other players. Which make up the bulk of the top players on the team. He also put the team in the good cap position. There were certainly some mistakes but to put this on Hextall is ignorant.

Could TK fetch a top 10 selection…possibly. He’s got an above average skill set and the ability to score 25-30 goals a season while being under long term contract. A bunch of unknown variable would ultimately dictate a potential market for him…number of bidders, pool of quality players available, CF’s competence in negotiating, etc. There’s little doubt he’d draw interest from a contending team though a later first round pick in any deal would be a given. Whether they should trade him is another matter entirely.
- Sublime55

Your last comment is ridiculous. The Flyers have been put in a bad way by current management and the organization as a whole, refusing to adapt to the modern day NHL. Continuing to think that they can sign and trade their way to the top. Capping out the team and trading a bunch of draft picks for a quick fix. That is why the Flyers are in a bad way. Hextall added Provorov, Sanheim, Hart, Konecny, Farabee, Frost and a few other players. Which make up the bulk of the top players on the team. He also put the team in the good cap position. There were certainly some mistakes but to put this on Hextall is ignorant.
- MJL

Pump your breaks cowboy! In no way do I believe the ONLY reason the Flyers are where they are is because of those missed first rounders. We were specifically talking about drafting. But that DOES HURT!

I’m well aware, also, that you can’t buy or trade your way out of anything….but alongside effective drafting and developing that can help get the missing pieces you need.

Would you advocate him as a foundational piece? The next 2 yrs the team has little chance of being a top contender. TK's contract is up in 2 yrs. Same with Provy. Basically, the team will need to determine whether extend or trade looking past the next 2 years. These are very interesring decisions which will effect the ability for the team to pivot and get back to true contenders.
- Trox88

The same applies as the reasons for why I don't think the Flyers could get a top 10 pick for him. When and if the Flyers get to the point of contention. Konecny will likely be in his 30's. You don't trade him just to trade him but if the right offer is made, you have to seriously consider taking it. I don't believe that you completely gut the team though.

Pump your breaks cowboy! In no way do I believe the ONLY reason the Flyers are where they are is because of those missed first rounders. We were specifically talking about drafting. But that DOES HURT!

I’m well aware, also, that you can’t buy or trade your way out of anything….but alongside effective drafting and developing that can help get the missing pieces you need.
- Wingdestroyer

I'm not your cowboy. It was the only reason you posted, and I responded accordingly.

I guess it's possible the Penguins miss the playoffs. Isn't the lottery draft weighted this year? I thought only the bottom 4 had a chance at the #1 pick.
- PLindbergh31

Did they change it since the last one? +10 places was the most any team could move up in 2022.

The same applies as the reasons for why I don't think the Flyers could get a top 10 pick for him. When and if the Flyers get to the point of contention. Konecny will likely be in his 30's. You don't trade him just to trade him but if the right offer is made, you have to seriously consider taking it. I don't believe that you completely gut the team though.
- MJL

So you believe a top 10 pick is not feasible for TK. Ok, so would a G type return be enough for you to move a TK or Provy? 1st rd pick that won't be a top 10 and a good prospect, probably not the best prospect in the other organization.

Could TK fetch a top 10 selection…possibly. He’s got an above average skill set and the ability to score 25-30 goals a season while being under long term contract. A bunch of unknown variable would ultimately dictate a potential market for him…number of bidders, pool of quality players available, CF’s competence in negotiating, etc. There’s little doubt he’d draw interest from a contending team though a later first round pick in any deal would be a given. Whether they should trade him is another matter entirely.
- Sublime55

I wouldn't expect a team to even think about it until after the season and during draft day. if your the 8-10 pick i would say it's possible albeit unlikely. If i was CF i would entertain trades but would really have to be a outstanding return.
If the flyers can trade Ruslan Fedotenko and two 2nd round picks for the fourth overall anything is possible lol.

I'm not your cowboy. It was the only reason you posted, and I responded accordingly.
- MJL

outside of the fact that i'm pretty confident you are indeed NOT a cowboy at all, i'm confused at what this means.

your post made it seems as tho you assumed i was placing blame on the Flyers current situation soley on missing out on first round picks. your subsequent mansplanning of how many other things have caused the Flyers to be so darn f'd backed up that assumption. not only that but you called my comment "ridiculous".

i'm telling you i know there are a plethora of reasons the Flyers are up poops' creek. but you can't tell ME that having 3 first rounders not even make it more than a year or so in the league (or none at all) let alone be contributing members hasn't hurt them significantly. HOW much compared to other factors i don't care to argue...

outside of the fact that i'm pretty confident you are indeed NOT a cowboy at all, i'm confused at what this means.

your post made it seems as tho you assumed i was placing blame on the Flyers current situation soley on missing out on first round picks. your subsequent mansplanning of how many other things have caused the Flyers to be so darn f'd backed up that assumption. not only that but you called my comment "ridiculous".

i'm telling you i know there are a plethora of reasons the Flyers are up poops' creek. but you can't tell ME that having 3 first rounders not even make it more than a year or so in the league (or none at all) let alone be contributing members hasn't hurt them significantly. HOW much compared to other factors i don't care to argue...
- Wingdestroyer

Nothing was assumed. I responded to what you posted. Your post only blamed one source and omitted the sources that are overwhelmingly to blame for the current state of the team. Those are the facts.

yes, i am aware that is more than likely the case lol

and i agree...they just need to draft GOOD players with these first rounders. continue to build. if they nail it, and 3 of the 4 first rounders from 22-24 becomes top line players, you're in a good spot. THEN you can start thinking about adding via FA and trades and such. missing COMPLETELY on FOUR f'n first round picks really really really put the Flyers in a bad way.

Thanks Obama...i mean Hextall!
- Wingdestroyer

He completely missed on four first round picks? Ok, sure, he missed on Nolan Patrick but that's been beaten to death, everyone and their brother had him right where he was picked, just unlucky really. It had nothing to do with incompetence.

He also added a lot of the young 25 year old and younger depth that's currently on the team, now they just need to build a core of players. Losing sucks but it's also the only way to get better if you look at the big picture. It's the way the systems setup.

Nothing was assumed. I responded to what you posted. Your post only blamed one source and omitted the sources that are overwhelmingly to blame for the current state of the team. Those are the facts.
- MJL

well, now i hope we've cleared all that up. we're definitely far more aligned

So you believe a top 10 pick is not feasible for TK. Ok, so would a G type return be enough for you to move a TK or Provy? 1st rd pick that won't be a top 10 and a good prospect, probably not the best prospect in the other organization.
- Trox88

I agree that it's very unlikely, although not improbable, that a team would trade a top ten first rounder for TK. If a team felt like they were on the cusp of becoming a good team they could trade a top first round pick, especially if they have a couple of them.

Ottawa did it last year when they acquired DeBrincat by trading away their 7th overall pick. I think their GM thought they were ready to turn the corner. Losing a couple key players kinda threw a wrench in that thinking though.

He completely missed on four first round picks? Ok, sure, he missed on Nolan Patrick but that's been beaten to death, everyone and their brother had him right where he was picked, just unlucky really. It had nothing to do with incompetence.

He also added a lot of the young 25 year old and younger depth that's currently on the team, now they just need to build a core of players. Losing sucks but it's also the only way to get better if you look at the big picture. It's the way the systems setup.
- Dave21Brown

Patrick
Rubstov
Obrien

all total wiffs

let's say Morgan Frost isn't a complete miss...he's definitely an NHL contributing player.

Drafting isn't an exact science. Hextall drafted useful players as well! But it doesn't hide the fact that missing huge on first rounders for 3 years in a row depletes your prospect pool and, in turn, your overall team talent. The point i was making remains the same....with the 23 and 24 picks (and all those moving forward) the Flyers can't totally wiff

He completely missed on four first round picks? Ok, sure, he missed on Nolan Patrick but that's been beaten to death, everyone and their brother had him right where he was picked, just unlucky really. It had nothing to do with incompetence.

He also added a lot of the young 25 year old and younger depth that's currently on the team, now they just need to build a core of players. Losing sucks but it's also the only way to get better if you look at the big picture. It's the way the systems setup.
- Dave21Brown

Patrick
Rubstov
Obrien

all total wiffs

let's say Morgan Frost isn't a complete miss...he's definitely an NHL contributing player.

Drafting isn't an exact science. Hextall drafted useful players as well! But it doesn't hide the fact that missing huge on first rounders for 3 years in a row depletes your prospect pool and, in turn, your overall team talent. The point i was making remains the same....with the 23 and 24 picks (and all those moving forward) the Flyers can't totally wiff

Patrick
Rubstov
Obrien

all total wiffs

let's say Morgan Frost isn't a complete miss...he's definitely an NHL contributing player.

Drafting isn't an exact science. Hextall drafted useful players as well! But it doesn't hide the fact that missing huge on first rounders for 3 years in a row depletes your prospect pool and, in turn, your overall team talent. The point i was making remains the same....with the 23 and 24 picks (and all those moving forward) the Flyers can't totally wiff
- Wingdestroyer

It's the lifeblood of any organization, I wholeheartedly agree. But imho it's somewhat disingenuous to blame him for missing on a late first, that happens to organizations all the time, as you said, it's an inexact science.

In 2016 he had the 22nd overall pick, not exactly a sure thing, but I agree they should be able to at least pick up a serviceable player. That said, Dallas got thirteen games out of their 25th pick, Washington got three games out of their 28th pick, Toronto got one game out of their 31st overall pick. It happens. I think it's more a reflection on the scouting department than it is on one person.

It's the lifeblood of any organization, I wholeheartedly agree. But imho it's somewhat disingenuous to blame him for missing on a late first, that happens to organizations all the time, as you said, it's an inexact science.

In 2016 he had the 22nd overall pick, not exactly a sure thing, but I agree they should be able to at least pick up a serviceable player. That said, Dallas got thirteen games out of their 25th pick, Washington got three games out of their 28th pick, Toronto got one game out of their 31st overall pick. It happens. I think it's more a reflection on the scouting department than it is on one person.
- Dave21Brown

fair enough, then i blame his scouting dept. he's just a figurehead. 3 times in a row, including a total OFF THE WALL pick in O'Brien, warrants critique

fair enough, then i blame his scouting dept. he's just a figurehead. 3 times in a row, including a total OFF THE WALL pick in O'Brien, warrants critique
- Wingdestroyer

No argument from me, although, hindsight will show you that there wasn't a great number of guys taken behind him for about ten spots, other than K'Andre Miller, that are doing anything to speak of.

Patrick
Rubstov
Obrien

all total wiffs

let's say Morgan Frost isn't a complete miss...he's definitely an NHL contributing player.

Drafting isn't an exact science. Hextall drafted useful players as well! But it doesn't hide the fact that missing huge on first rounders for 3 years in a row depletes your prospect pool and, in turn, your overall team talent. The point i was making remains the same....with the 23 and 24 picks (and all those moving forward) the Flyers can't totally wiff
- Wingdestroyer

Missing on some first rounders doesn't put your team into the bottom of the league capped out.

Missing on some first rounders doesn't put your team into the bottom of the league capped out.
- MJL

Not single-handedly, but it definitely contributes to it's overall demise. Which is kinda what he's saying. It's an all-encompassing thing. Not one thing or another.

Not single-handedly, but it definitely contributes to it's overall demise. Which is kinda what he's saying. It's an all-encompassing thing. Not one thing or another.
- Dave21Brown

That's what it evolved into after the source was called on it. At first, one thing, or one person was blamed. It has to be looked at objectively. Hextall without a doubt improved the position of the team for the future. The team was put into a decent spot in his tenure. It's been downhill ever since.

He's going to look great in a Hawks sweater.
Is there any big hulking dmen projects in the draft?
- PLindbergh31

man if that happens and they win more cups everyone here that didn't want to tank will look like a fool

Patrick
Rubstov
Obrien

all total wiffs

let's say Morgan Frost isn't a complete miss...he's definitely an NHL contributing player.

Drafting isn't an exact science. Hextall drafted useful players as well! But it doesn't hide the fact that missing huge on first rounders for 3 years in a row depletes your prospect pool and, in turn, your overall team talent. The point i was making remains the same....with the 23 and 24 picks (and all those moving forward) the Flyers can't totally wiff
- Wingdestroyer

Look up Sweeney's overall record in the 1st-round. Yzerman's with the Bolts. Even Sakic has missed on his share of 1sts. It's all hit and miss.

The brass took a rebuild off the table, so the Flyers never finished lower than #14 under Hexy... that was the real problem. If they had been picking higher, chances are they would have ended up with (way) better players than Rubstov and JOB.

It's the same poop with this team now. Fletch isn't allowed to rebuild, so we get Foersters and Yorks instead of Stutzles and Seiders.

Look up Sweeney's overall record in the 1st-round. Yzerman's with the Bolts. Even Sakic has missed on his share of 1sts. It's all hit and miss.

The brass took a rebuild off the table, so the Flyers never finished lower than #14 under Hexy... that was the real problem. If they had been picking higher, chances are they would have ended up with (way) better players than Rubstov and JOB.

It's the same poop with this team now. Fletch isn't allowed to rebuild, so we get Foersters and Yorks instead of Stutzles and Seiders.
- Tomahawk

As was mentioned by someone yesterday, their current lot in life always and forever will come back to Comcast wanting to be competitive for financial reasons instead of properly rebuilding the team through good high first round picks. That's how you establish a core of players, from the top of the draft.