Missing on some first rounders doesn't put your team into the bottom of the league capped out.
- MJL

It absolutely puts the team in the bottom of the league when it's a precursor to the abject incompetence of Fletcher taking the reins. With him in charge now, there is no room for error in building the pipeline prior to him taking over. What we are now left with what was at first smoldering with draft misses and now under CF has turned into a full on dumpster fire.

As was mentioned by someone yesterday, their current lot in life always and forever will come back to Comcast wanting to be competitive for financial reasons instead of properly rebuilding the team through good high first round picks. That's how you establish a core of players, from the top of the draft.
- Dave21Brown

Luckily Fletch is so bad that he's unintentionally steered the team on to the rocks anyway.




(Hopefully Cutter and whoever they pick this year turn out to be elite... hopefully)

Bill Meltzer: Wrap: Flyers Beat Sharks in OT, 4-3
- bmeltzer

There is nothing wrong with getting carried away, as long as you stay realistic. There are players we should trade and then there are players you hang on to. JvR you trade. Laughton you see if there is interest. They likely won’t trade DeAngelo based on what you gave up to get him and he’s a local kid but you should listen to offers. Konency, Tippett, Farabee, Hart and Provorov in my opinion you gotta role with in case we’re able to make steps next season. They’re all just young enough and good enough if we were to hit on Bedard, play with him.

It absolutely puts the team in the bottom of the league when it's a precursor to the abject incompetence of Fletcher taking the reins. With him in charge now, there is no room for error in building the pipeline prior to him taking over. What we are now left with what was at first smoldering with draft misses and now under CF has turned into a full on dumpster fire.
- Letterkenney

That would suggest that it was Hextall's performance that forced the team to resort back to their old methods. It was the organization's flawed thinking that put the team in the position it was when Hextall took over. To expect Hextall to completely turn the team around in the time frame he was given was delusional.

That would suggest that it was Hextall's performance that forced the team to resort back to their old methods. It was the organization's flawed thinking that put the team in the position it was when Hextall took over. To expect Hextall to completely turn the team around in the time frame he was given was delusional.
- MJL

Overall, Hexy did a pretty good job managing the cap and at least staying competitive given the constraints against a full rebuild that were put on him by Comcast. The topic of discussion was the hell this team is put in by virtue of the HUGE first round misses that Hexy did. There were 4 first rounders that aren't playing in the NHL or can't play. There's no denying that those misses are very costly 5 to 7 years later. And, ABSOLUTELY those misses are magnified 100x with the complete incompetence of CF. A strong GM following Hexy and we're probably not having this conversation. It is what it is now.

So you believe a top 10 pick is not feasible for TK. Ok, so would a G type return be enough for you to move a TK or Provy? 1st rd pick that won't be a top 10 and a good prospect, probably not the best prospect in the other organization.
- Trox88

Provy yes, TK no.

Overall, Hexy did a pretty good job managing the cap and at least staying competitive given the constraints against a full rebuild that were put on him by Comcast. The topic of discussion was the hell this team is put in by virtue of the HUGE first round misses that Hexy did. There were 4 first rounders that aren't playing in the NHL or can't play. There's no denying that those misses are very costly 5 to 7 years later. And, ABSOLUTELY those misses are magnified 100x with the complete incompetence of CF. A strong GM following Hexy and we're probably not having this conversation. It is what it is now.

- Letterkenney

Yup, the mistake wasn’t firing Hextall, he was a mediocre GM. The mistake was replacing him with a sap like Fletcher.

Overall, Hexy did a pretty good job managing the cap and at least staying competitive given the constraints against a full rebuild that were put on him by Comcast. The topic of discussion was the hell this team is put in by virtue of the HUGE first round misses that Hexy did. There were 4 first rounders that aren't playing in the NHL or can't play. There's no denying that those misses are very costly 5 to 7 years later. And, ABSOLUTELY those misses are magnified 100x with the complete incompetence of CF. A strong GM following Hexy and we're probably not having this conversation. It is what it is now.

- Letterkenney

First of all, it's 3 first round picks. Not 4. The team was not in "hell" when Hextall was fired. Plain and simple. They were in a good cap position and they had a good prospect and young player base to build on. It's one thing for the team to say we're unhappy with the progress and they think they have to stay with a patient draft and develop process. Just with a different GM. That's not what they did though. They reversed course and went back to the old ways. That decision and the mandate given to the new GM. Along with hiring a completely incompetent GM. Is what put this team in "hell"

Bedard with 14 pts in 3 WJC games.... at 17 years old in a U20 tourney.


- Tomahawk

Going to lethal with Johnny in Columbus

No real threat or defense without the Russians in the tournament

There is nothing wrong with getting carried away, as long as you stay realistic. There are players we should trade and then there are players you hang on to. JvR you trade. Laughton you see if there is interest. They likely won’t trade DeAngelo based on what you gave up to get him and he’s a local kid but you should listen to offers. Konency, Tippett, Farabee, Hart and Provorov in my opinion you gotta role with in case we’re able to make steps next season. They’re all just young enough and good enough if we were to hit on Bedard, play with him.
- SuperSchennBros

The more games the Flyers win, the more unlikely it becomes that this bonehead GM will trade players. I was really disappointed last night, I really think San Jose tanked the game on purpose to be honest. The Flyers need to lose as many games as possible, there is nothing to be gained by winning except more mediocrity for another decade. All I can say is the Kings better bring it on Saturday!

First of all, it's 3 first round picks. Not 4. The team was not in "hell" when Hextall was fired. Plain and simple. They were in a good cap position and they had a good prospect and young player base to build on. It's one thing for the team to say we're unhappy with the progress and they think they have to stay with a patient draft and develop process. Just with a different GM. That's not what they did though. They reversed course and went back to the old ways. That decision and the mandate given to the new GM. Along with hiring a completely incompetent GM. Is what put this team in "hell"
- MJL

from Flyers Nation:

Going into the summer of 2019, newly-minted general manager Chuck Fletcher had close to $34 million in cap space to play with and by the end of the summer, he almost used it all up. Now of course, some moves were absolutely necessary like extending Ivan Provorov and Travis Konecny, who were both coming off their rookie contracts. Provorov ended up signing a 6 year deal that would count towards the cap at $6.75 million, while Konecny signed for 6 years as well but counted towards the cap at $5.5 million.

Fletcher then traded for the signing rights of Kevin Hayes and then extended him to a 7 year deal that would count against the cap at $7.142 million per season. He also traded Radko Gudas, while also retaining some salary, for Matt Niskanen who had 2 years remaining with a cap hit of $5.75 million. He then finished off the festivities by trading a second round pick and a third round pick for Justin Braun who counted towards the cap at $3.8 million, who was entering his final year of a 5 year deal previously signed with the San Jose Sharks.

The only move here that I disagree with was trading for and signing Hayes. I think we all loved the new contracts for Provey and TK and had no problem getting Niskenen, Braun and Pitlick. Unfortunately its gone all down hill from here.

Provy yes, TK no.
- BiggE

There some big decisions to be made over the next 2 seasons. Forgot Hart will be an RFA. I totally understand the anchor contracts for Hayes and Risto getting a lot of attention. TK, Provy, and Hart decisions to extend or trade will impact the length of this rebuild- good or bad Really curious how it plays out.

The more games the Flyers win, the more unlikely it becomes that this bonehead GM will trade players. I was really disappointed last night, I really think San Jose tanked the game on purpose to be honest. The Flyers need to lose as many games as possible, there is nothing to be gained by winning except more mediocrity for another decade. All I can say is the Kings better bring it on Saturday!
- jd250

Fletcher went from putting the team on the path to the Cup and changing the culture of the team, to being g labeled a bone head in two years. Can't make it up

Overall, Hexy did a pretty good job managing the cap and at least staying competitive given the constraints against a full rebuild that were put on him by Comcast. The topic of discussion was the hell this team is put in by virtue of the HUGE first round misses that Hexy did. There were 4 first rounders that aren't playing in the NHL or can't play. There's no denying that those misses are very costly 5 to 7 years later. And, ABSOLUTELY those misses are magnified 100x with the complete incompetence of CF. A strong GM following Hexy and we're probably not having this conversation. It is what it is now.

- Letterkenney

The problem with Hextall was there was no direction. Was he trying to be competitive while also freeing up cap space and building up the farm system? It seems like that's what he was trying to do but it failed badly. Yes Hextall freed cap space but then spent that space on JVR when the team was not ready. Ok, well maybe that signaled that the Flyers were ready to spend and compete again, but then Hextall trades Schenn for two first round picks resulting in Frost and Farabee, not exactly what I consider a lead forward, while also passing up a chance to get Ryan O'Reilly. He was all over the map and apparently was uncompromising, a bad combination.

Fletcher went from putting the team on the path to the Cup and changing the culture of the team, to being g labeled a bone head in two years. Can't make it up
- MJL

That's right .. he had a good first off-season and then took some risks that didn't pan out. Instead of learning from these moves and altering course he doubled down and put this team in a very bad position. At that point, he became a bone-head IMO. However, unlike you, at least I gave the guy a chance before I labeled him a failure.

Missing on some first rounders doesn't put your team into the bottom of the league capped out.
- MJL

yeah....i know.....

Going to lethal with Johnny in Columbus

No real threat or defense without the Russians in the tournament
- penguininnevada

a LEGIT point....doesn't mean Bedard isn't really awesome but it's a thing

exactly why i don't like those kind of comparisons of points per tournament. lots of variables.

That's right .. he had a good first off-season and then took some risks that didn't pan out. Instead of learning from these moves and altering course he doubled down and put this team in a very bad position. At that point, he became a bone-head IMO. However, unlike you, at least I gave the guy a chance before I labeled him a failure.
- jd250

Fletcher has made one good move since he has been the Flyers GM. The Niskanen trade. He's been incompetent from the very beginning. I gave him a chance but he proved to be clueless from jump street. There is a big difference between giving him a chance and labeling his moves as putting the team on the path to the Cup.

[quote=jd250]That's right .. he had a good first off-season and then took some risks that didn't pan out. Instead of learning from these moves and altering course he doubled down and put this team in a very bad position. At that point, he became a bone-head IMO. However, unlike you, at least I gave the guy a chance before I labeled him a failure.
- MJL[/quote

Fletcher has made one.good move since he has been the Flyers GM. The Niskanen trade. He's been incompetent from the very beginning.

He’s the worst GM in franchise history, by far.

I doubt that any team that has a realistic shot at a top 10 pick in the 2023 draft is going to trade that pick.

At this point in time, if I were going to trade TK, I would be looking at teams whose windows may be closing. Not entirely sure who those teams may be, but perhaps PIT, WAS or STL. Regardless, what I would be looking for would be something relatively current - say, 2023 2nd round or a prospect - and push for two 1st round picks in 25 to 27, with at least one, if not both, non-protected.

Otherwise, keep him and he's a part of the future puzzle or a trading asset at a more opportune point in time.

Any transaction is a gamble, but this team needs to swing for the fences with regards to developing high-end talent. The 22 to 24 drafts need to produce 2 top line forwards and a top 4 defenseman at a minimum in order to be moving toward contention in four or five years

A Desjardins/LeClair, Howe or Timmonen/Hartnell type trade in the interim wouldn't hurt, but I am clearly not going to hold my breath.

I doubt that any team that has a realistic shot at a top 10 pick in the 2023 draft is going to trade that pick.

At this point in time, if I were going to trade TK, I would be looking at teams whose windows may be closing. Not entirely sure who those teams may be, but perhaps PIT, WAS or STL. Regardless, what I would be looking for would be something relatively current - say, 2023 2nd round or a prospect - and push for two 1st round picks in 25 to 27, with at least one, if not both, non-protected.

Otherwise, keep him and he's a part of the future puzzle or a trading asset at a more opportune point in time.

Any transaction is a gamble, but this team needs to swing for the fences with regards to developing high-end talent. The 22 to 24 drafts need to produce 2 top line forwards and a top 4 defenseman at a minimum in order to be moving toward contention in four or five years

A Desjardins/LeClair, Howe or Timmonen/Hartnell type trade in the interim wouldn't hurt, but I am clearly not going to hold my breath.
- GeorgeBailey

I’d be blown away if we ever saw a Desjardins/LeClair or a Timonen/Hartnell trade ever again. Ripping off the Thrashers for Coburn is up there in my opinion as well.

Remember the Morin experiment moving him to wing?
- PLindbergh31

He’ll be the phantoms coach in two years when lappy gets promoted

The more games the Flyers win, the more unlikely it becomes that this bonehead GM will trade players. I was really disappointed last night, I really think San Jose tanked the game on purpose to be honest. The Flyers need to lose as many games as possible, there is nothing to be gained by winning except more mediocrity for another decade. All I can say is the Kings better bring it on Saturday!
- jd250

Please explain how a team comes to the rink, gets dressed and decides to throw a game. How can you get on the ice for your shift, in front of your coach and collectively “throw” a game.

Fletcher went from putting the team on the path to the Cup and changing the culture of the team, to being g labeled a bone head in two years. Can't make it up
- MJL

Rarely post here ..but this comment is absolutely bang on and a pure shame for this organization / fanbase

Rarely post here ..but this comment is absolutely bang on and a pure shame for this organization / fanbase
- 3flyerkids

The post was sarcasm to a poster who actually believed that Fletcher put the team on the path to the Cup.