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darkerens
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.24.2017

Dec 30 @ 8:54 PM ET
The problem with the team starts with its ownership, and then on down. Comcast has made this one of the worst franchises in the NHL…easily in the top three. Nothing will change until they sell the team.

Chuck is garbage and an absolute idiot, and would have been fired a long time ago if the goal was winning. The goal is making money and until the money stops rolling in, the incompetence of the clowns running every part of this franchise will continue…expect nothing to change. They may fire Chuck some day, but that will not change this team’s fortune, as this franchise is completely rotten all the way through. Mediocrity is just fine to them as long as the dollars come in. Stop going to games and stop buying gear, that’s the only way to change this organization.
BluehorseShoe64
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2018

Dec 30 @ 9:01 PM ET
CF doesn't have the stones to trade TK. I would certainly look into it. I believe a high 1st round pick or two could be had and possibly and very good prospect.

I see where you're going with this, and would also like to see us turn some assets for high picks, but I don't think this is the right play. TK is worth a lot more to this team then to others. He won't fetch a high first round pick and then we'll just get a lesser pick that requires us to wait while he develops. It won't move the needle, and we'll remove one of the few players that is fun to watch currently. This strips the team down too far.


Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

Dec 30 @ 9:05 PM ET
He’ll be the phantoms coach in two years when lappy gets promoted
- Just5


Lmao! Post of the day and I didn't finish catching up yet. Thanks for the laugh and the best part is it could happen!
BluehorseShoe64
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2018

Dec 30 @ 9:11 PM ET
I don't want to downplay the guy's season, but the reason he "plays in all situations " specifically the PK is the Atkinson injury.
- Pelle31Forever


Then don't. There are 2+ lines needed for PK. Backup depth for injuries along with line chemistry and some speed. Reason Montreal went to the finals 2 seasons ago was because they realized that the younger, faster players should be on the PK (it's not about experience !) and they killed it. Was a huge momentum swinger for them.

It was at that time I started wondering why we hadn't tried something similar. New coach - bingo, Torts is doing it. He even said as much in his post game interviews. End of story.

Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

Dec 30 @ 9:16 PM ET
The problem with the team starts with its ownership, and then on down. Comcast has made this one of the worst franchises in the NHL…easily in the top three. Nothing will change until they sell the team.

Chuck is garbage and an absolute idiot, and would have been fired a long time ago if the goal was winning. The goal is making money and until the money stops rolling in, the incompetence of the clowns running every part of this franchise will continue…expect nothing to change. They may fire Chuck some day, but that will not change this team’s fortune, as this franchise is completely rotten all the way through. Mediocrity is just fine to them as long as the dollars come in. Stop going to games and stop buying gear, that’s the only way to change this organization.

- darkerens


Yes sir! I (and others) posted about this. The biggest problem is Comcast and they don't seem to care. I haven't looked at attendance stats, but people keep going to games and buying Flyers gear, so it seems like the powers that be are content. We argue on here about GMs, coaches, etc, but it all boils down to Comcast. It's sad and disgraceful at how far we have fallen.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Dec 30 @ 9:27 PM ET
He’s the worst GM in franchise history, by far.
- BiggE


Imo Farwell was worse. Fletcher has 4 years like Farwell did. Farwell never made the playoffs. Farwell’s blockbuster turned the Nordiques from doormat to contender and eventually Cup winner in Colorado. That trade and picks and subsequent trades from some of those picks netted them Forsberg,Roy,Ricci,Deadmarsh and Simon. As great as Lindros was, he never won a Cup and had injuries much like many Fletcher picks.


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 30 @ 10:01 PM ET
Then don't. There are 2+ lines needed for PK. Backup depth for injuries along with line chemistry and some speed. Reason Montreal went to the finals 2 seasons ago was because they realized that the younger, faster players should be on the PK (it's not about experience !) and they killed it. Was a huge momentum swinger for them.

It was at that time I started wondering why we hadn't tried something similar. New coach - bingo, Torts is doing it. He even said as much in his post game interviews. End of story.

- BluehorseShoe64



End of story? The Flyers PK is terrible. It's terrible by design, strategy and in its execution. That's what Tortorella is actually doing. Did you see the Hertl PP goal against? Could there possibly have been an easier goal scored? The puck moved around a ridiculously passive diamond with no puck pressure. Right to Hertl standing at the side of the net for an easy redirection goal.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Dec 30 @ 10:24 PM ET
Imo Farwell was worse. Fletcher has 4 years like Farwell did. Farwell never made the playoffs. Farwell’s blockbuster turned the Nordiques from doormat to contender and eventually Cup winner in Colorado. That trade and picks and subsequent trades from some of those picks netted them Forsberg,Roy,Ricci,Deadmarsh and Simon. As great as Lindros was, he never won a Cup and had injuries much like many Fletcher picks.
- Minnyhock
We had season tickets during the Lindros era, and he was one of the most if not the most exciting player to ever wear the orange and black. There was a buzz in the building every time that LOD line stepped on the ice, but the reality is if the Rags had won the rights to Lindros the Flyers very well would have banked at least one Cup (if not more).
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Dec 30 @ 10:47 PM ET
We had season tickets during the Lindros era, and he was one of the most if not the most exciting player to ever wear the orange and black. There was a buzz in the building every time that LOD line stepped on the ice, but the reality is if the Rags had won the rights to Lindros the Flyers very well would have banked at least one Cup (if not more).
- Phillywhiteout


I have Lindros’ Topps rookie card. See that its selling for $8.99. Man what happened to the value of those cards. Even in Minny there was a lotta buzz and anticipation about him.


jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Dec 30 @ 10:54 PM ET
Fletcher has made one good move since he has been the Flyers GM. The Niskanen trade. He's been incompetent from the very beginning. I gave him a chance but he proved to be clueless from jump street. There is a big difference between giving him a chance and labeling his moves as putting the team on the path to the Cup.
- MJL

Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall you or anyone on this forum complaining about Fletcher when he made his first set of off-season moves including hiring AV, bringing up Carter Hart, waiving Andrew MacDonald, extending Provorov, Konecny and Laughton and helping this team get one game from the final 4. Did I miss all the criticism? Or in 2020 when all Fletcher did was extend Lindblom and your favorite Philippe Myers, again I didn't see any criticism. Unfortunately Covid hit this team hard, as did the injuries and the next season went south. So Fletcher decided to break some glass and make some bold moves. I thought those moves were good ones at the time, they obviously didn't work out. Its how Fletcher responded to this result that I have a problem with. But clearly the evidence shows Fletcher was not "clueless from jump street". He initially made a lot of good moves!
Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

Dec 30 @ 11:36 PM ET
I have Lindros’ Topps rookie card. See that its selling for $8.99. Man what happened to the value of those cards. Even in Minny there was a lotta buzz and anticipation about him.
- Minnyhock



Ha! Yes, I never had the card but remember a friend getting it and saying it will be worth big bucks over the years.
Hosher12
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.15.2020

Dec 30 @ 11:44 PM ET
The problem with the team starts with its ownership, and then on down. Comcast has made this one of the worst franchises in the NHL…easily in the top three. Nothing will change until they sell the team.

Chuck is garbage and an absolute idiot, and would have been fired a long time ago if the goal was winning. The goal is making money and until the money stops rolling in, the incompetence of the clowns running every part of this franchise will continue…expect nothing to change. They may fire Chuck some day, but that will not change this team’s fortune, as this franchise is completely rotten all the way through. Mediocrity is just fine to them as long as the dollars come in. Stop going to games and stop buying gear, that’s the only way to change this organization.

- darkerens


I agree with your opinion. It’s sad but this organization is a bottom feeder and will be for the foreseeable future with the current owners and management.

RIP Flyers
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Dec 30 @ 11:45 PM ET
Ha! Yes, I never had the card but remember a friend getting it and saying it will be worth big bucks over the years.
- Don Nachbaur


Lol yeah. I heard Gretzky paid $250,000 for a Honus Wagner baseball card. I thought I was gonna cash in.


Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

Dec 31 @ 12:29 AM ET
Lol yeah. I heard Gretzky paid $250,000 for a Honus Wagner baseball card. I thought I was gonna cash in.
- Minnyhock


Yep! The card market is crazy. I had a Gretzky Topps rookie and sold it to a friend years ago for $150. Of course it is going for way more now.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Dec 31 @ 3:08 AM ET
So I was going to ask does anyone want Fletcher to make the trades at the deadline? For TK or any player because I never thought he had a good trade record. I went and checked and I found a couple things out.

1. He has been in the NHL a long time with little to show for it.
2. He has been the flyer GM since 2019 and again, little to show for it. Maybe covid is helping him out.
3. He has at BEST an okay trade history. A lot of deck chair shuffling and being on the loser end of trades. He had a couple good trades. Dubnyk worked out for him and he did make some good draft picks. However he also traded Tampa the pick that became Brayden Point to pick up an extra 7th rounder in 2015. Yikes!

I hope he is fired sooner than later.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Dec 31 @ 3:18 AM ET
STOP thinking that way. Flyers have no chance to get him. We don't deserve nice things.

- Letterkenney

Ducks or Blackhawks is my Bedard bet. Looking at the standings, and how the teams looks on the ice. (Horrible and unprofessional).
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Dec 31 @ 7:54 AM ET
So I was going to ask does anyone want Fletcher to make the trades at the deadline? For TK or any player because I never thought he had a good trade record. I went and checked and I found a couple things out.

1. He has been in the NHL a long time with little to show for it.
2. He has been the flyer GM since 2019 and again, little to show for it. Maybe covid is helping him out.
3. He has at BEST an okay trade history. A lot of deck chair shuffling and being on the loser end of trades. He had a couple good trades. Dubnyk worked out for him and he did make some good draft picks. However he also traded Tampa the pick that became Brayden Point to pick up an extra 7th rounder in 2015. Yikes!

I hope he is fired sooner than later.

- Aaron_85

Fletcher does not make trades in a vacuum. I would not mind transactions being done this season with him as GM, as long as Briere and Torts have input which I think they will. However, I would also like to see Fletcher removed mainly because he has no plan, he is just winging it and doing it poorly, and this franchise deserves much better!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Dec 31 @ 7:57 AM ET
Ducks or Blackhawks is my Bedard bet. Looking at the standings, and how the teams looks on the ice. (Horrible and unprofessional).
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Its obvious both clubs are tanking badly. I sincerely hope both clubs get porked by the ping pong balls and don't get the top pick. However, I think the Flyers can borrow some of that ineptitude this season and give themselves a chance at a franchise player.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 31 @ 8:12 AM ET
Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall you or anyone on this forum complaining about Fletcher when he made his first set of off-season moves including hiring AV, bringing up Carter Hart, waiving Andrew MacDonald, extending Provorov, Konecny and Laughton and helping this team get one game from the final 4. Did I miss all the criticism? Or in 2020 when all Fletcher did was extend Lindblom and your favorite Philippe Myers, again I didn't see any criticism. Unfortunately Covid hit this team hard, as did the injuries and the next season went south. So Fletcher decided to break some glass and make some bold moves. I thought those moves were good ones at the time, they obviously didn't work out. Its how Fletcher responded to this result that I have a problem with. But clearly the evidence shows Fletcher was not "clueless from jump street". He initially made a lot of good moves!
- jd250



Fletcher has made one good move to add to this team. Trading for Matt Niskanen. That's it. One move does not equal a lot in most people's definition but maybe yours.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 31 @ 8:16 AM ET
Fletcher does not make trades in a vacuum. I would not mind transactions being done this season with him as GM, as long as Briere and Torts have input which I think they will. However, I would also like to see Fletcher removed mainly because he has no plan, he is just winging it and doing it poorly, and this franchise deserves much better!
- jd250


What specifically should give us confidence if Briere, with zero experience making trades at the NHL level and Tortorella, an archaic old school coach who supported the addition of a player like Nik Deslauriers to the team, are involved in any prospective deals?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Dec 31 @ 8:44 AM ET
So I was going to ask does anyone want Fletcher to make the trades at the deadline? For TK or any player because I never thought he had a good trade record. I went and checked and I found a couple things out.

1. He has been in the NHL a long time with little to show for it.
2. He has been the flyer GM since 2019 and again, little to show for it. Maybe covid is helping him out.
3. He has at BEST an okay trade history. A lot of deck chair shuffling and being on the loser end of trades. He had a couple good trades. Dubnyk worked out for him and he did make some good draft picks. However he also traded Tampa the pick that became Brayden Point to pick up an extra 7th rounder in 2015. Yikes!

I hope he is fired sooner than later.

- Aaron_85



His over all record as a GM is simply below average. He wouldn’t sniff a job with out his last name being Fletcher and having his mentor here in Philly in a senior advisory role. Like any move the Flyers make, I have always taken a wait and see approach. His record in Minny was one that should have left him out of the running for any future job, but I figured maybe in this role, with the current makeup and assets in place, he might do a good job. He’s taken a bubble team and driven it into the ground. He made some early moves that seemed to make sense but then made a series of head scratchers that are hard to understand. The longer they leave him in place the more damage he will do, making his eventual replacements job all the more tough…all we ever here is the excuses….Covid, injuries…nothing about the actual job he has done or hasn’t done.
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