Arizona building depth and talent with the draft. That’s how you do it Fletch.


“Heading into the semis at the WJC, Coyotes prospects Logan Cooley and Dylan Guenther each have 5 goals, ranking them tied for second in the tournament behind Bedard. Cooley ranks second in points (11) and Guenther is tied for 7th (7 points).”
- Dave21Brown

Add to this they have 18 picks over the next 3 drafts in the first three rounds.

3 firsts
8 seconds
7 thirds.

40 million in cap space next season.

The only things holding them back will be the arena they play in.

In all honestly the NHL needs to move them.

Imagine watching Bedard in this tournament, and the take away is that the Flyers have done the right thing to try to negate their odds at a true generational player.

Imagine trying to sell that, to justify that to a fanbase.

Apparently the Flyers think this archaic style of Tortorella hockey, and gooning it up is what people want.

Pathetic men, unable to let go of the past.

Again it’s not about success. It doesn’t matter if the product is entertaining, if for the first time since a prime Giroux they have a true exciting player to market. They can perpetually be trying to make a wildcard spot for years, hoping to catch lightning in a bottle as long as they play the “Flyer way”, and men can continue to steal money from Snider’s coffin.

Imagine watching Bedard in this tournament, and the take away is that the Flyers have done the right thing to try to negate their odds at a true generational player.

Imagine trying to sell that, to justify that to a fanbase.

Apparently the Flyers think this archaic style of Tortorella hockey, and gooning it up is what people want.

Pathetic men, unable to let go of the past.

Again it’s not about success. It doesn’t matter if the product is entertaining, if for the first time since a prime Giroux they have a true exciting player to market. They can perpetually be trying to make a wildcard spot for years, hoping to catch lightning in a bottle as long as they play the “Flyer way”, and men can continue to steal money from Snider’s coffin.
- FlyerFan3260

I am tired of hearing about "The Flyer Way"

Its is painfully obvious "The Flyer Way" does not work in todays NHL.

This was the 1st time since 2013-2-14 that the Flyers had a winning record on their West coast trip. The players on the ice will never tank, so get the thoughts of Bedard out of your heads. Once again, it seems like the Flyers will win enough games to get themselves out of the lottery. I know we won't make the playoffs, but lately it's been fun to see some of the young talent actually making good plays on the ice. I still enjoy watching Tippet. Torts has been given some lemons, but he seems to be making lemonade out if it, or Vodka and lemon if you prefer?

I am tired of hearing about "The Flyer Way"

Its is painfully obvious "The Flyer Way" does not work in todays NHL.
- MBFlyerfan

I like Bill in general, but to see this kind of thinking just confirms what we all know.

That men in the organization think this way.

Here is a question for him, if he has the stones to answer. Or is it easier to go after fans for wanting to build a modern contender.

In what other NHL organization would Chuck Fletcher still be employed as of today?

In what NHL organization would be see such a low level of accountability across all departments?

See it’s why it’s hard to take his opinions seriously anymore, because the man is part of the same cult that’s more concerned with maintaining the past.

Add to this they have 18 picks over the next 3 drafts in the first three rounds.

3 firsts
8 seconds
7 thirds.

40 million in cap space next season.

The only things holding them back will be the arena they play in.

In all honestly the NHL needs to move them.
- MBFlyerfan

They had five picks in the top 43 selections in 2022, that’s great work by Bill Armstrong and they’re two points behind the Flyers with the same amount of wins this season.

I am tired of hearing about "The Flyer Way"

Its is painfully obvious "The Flyer Way" does not work in todays NHL.
- MBFlyerfan

It’s plain and simply corporate greed. Money is more important than winning the Cup. Although they’ll obviously state otherwise.

The way the league is currently setup in 2023, with the cap and limited trades, is you have to draft your way to building a core and then build around them. Generally speaking. Skirting your way around that leads to mediocrity which is where the franchise has been stuck for many years.

Imagine having a chance at a true generational player, and doing everything possible to try to move away from improved odds at doing so.

Imagine trying to justify that based on some antiquated, and proud belief of being too noble to tank.

Horsepoop.
- FlyerFan3260

lol okay

Think about using Edmonton, and Buffalo as examples for not committing to increasing odds at a generational player.

If we take away the fact that both teams are miles closer to competing than the Flyers… Is the thought that after 10 years of a similar level of success the Flyers have more to show for it?

That the Flyer way has yielded something better?

I’m sure Edmonton, and Buffalo fans would gladly give up their talented, and exciting players at the chance to watch Konecny with the messiah that is Gauthier.

Bullpoop.

Imagine watching Bedard in this tournament, and the take away is that the Flyers have done the right thing to try to negate their odds at a true generational player.

Imagine trying to sell that, to justify that to a fanbase.

Apparently the Flyers think this archaic style of Tortorella hockey, and gooning it up is what people want.
- FlyerFan3260

What? I see none of that.

Think about using Edmonton, and Buffalo as examples for not committing to increasing odds at a generational player.
- FlyerFan3260

You completely missed his point but keep on keepin' on.

It’s plain and simply corporate greed. Money is more important than winning the Cup. Although they’ll obviously state otherwise.

The way the league is currently setup in 2023, with the cap and limited trades, is you have to draft your way to building a core and then build around them. Generally speaking. Skirting your way around that leads to mediocrity which is where the franchise has been stuck for many years.
- Dave21Brown

Nothing to do with corporate in my opinion. The Flyers need to be run more like a corporation with actual standards.

The corporate side of things caters to the old guard, and success be damned. Comcast would make a lot more money if they understood that the Flyers are not run like a modern NHL team.

What? I see none of that.
- Scoob

Ristolainen intangibles, MacEwen, Deslauries, and Tortorella hockey are a sign of where the game is headed?

I like Bill in general, but to see this kind of thinking just confirms what we all know.

That men in the organization think this way.

Here is a question for him, if he has the stones to answer. Or is it easier to go after fans for wanting to build a modern contender.

In what other NHL organization would Chuck Fletcher still be employed as of today?

In what NHL organization would be see such a low level of accountability across all departments?

See it’s why it’s hard to take his opinions seriously anymore, because the man is part of the same cult that’s more concerned with maintaining the past.
- FlyerFan3260

I like Bill too but he continually uses the same old adage that Edmonton and Buffalo weren’t able to build depth around their stars so no one can do. At least that’s how it comes across, which is ridiculous!

He’s kinda stating the obvious when he says you need to build depth around your first overall picks, in other news water is wet. Of course you do. You’re still more likely than not to win with a first overall pick than not and you need something to build around.

Doesn’t have to be a first overall, but I’d sure like to find out. When you pick 5th overall and you don’t have a second round pick, like Fletcher did last year, you’re simply not going to build the depth and talent you need to compete for a Stanley Cup in myself opinion.

What? I see none of that.
- Scoob

Yes, I think that part of it is overblown....BUT, the Flyers are tied for the league lead in fighting majors with 20.

We are both old enough to remember when 20 fights was a decent month for the Flyers.

Ristolainen intangibles, MacEwen, Deslauries, and Tortorella hockey are a sign of where the game is headed?
- FlyerFan3260

They're not gooning it up, which was one of your complaints.

You completely missed his point but keep on keepin' on.
- Scoob

His overall point is clear, and has been for some time.

Status quo, protecting, and projecting Flyer history onto NHL hockey in 2022.

That the Flyers know best, and teams trying to actively increase their odds at drafting top players are something to be sneered at from above.

Wheels keep on turnin’.

Trying to understand the logic here. We need to tank because we are not good, but we can’t simply tank because our young players are now playing well and are healthy?

We will have a 18 to 25.5% chance if we finish last overall, but somehow we must tank.

This isn’t the nba where half the players only show up a few games a year and you can just bench a Robinson w a nonsense injury to get Duncan.

The reality is the Flyers young players are too good to finish last overall and that’s cause of the decent drafting (and schenn n g trades) by the previous and current gm. Um, that’s kinda a good thing isn’t it? Am I missing something here.

We have some good young players and need more. Just what do we do w the current crop of young players this season? If we send them down the same folks here who want to tank will complain that we hate youth and mismanage young players.

The young players (when healthy) and coach are doing their job.

Curious if anyone here who loves this tanking nonsense has season tickets or has ever had season tickets. Easy to say just tank when you have 0 skin in the game.

Also the same folks here cry when they win and cry when they lose. Ya kinda wonder how you can retain any sense of credibility if you cry wolf all of the time…

Yes, I think that part of it is overblown....BUT, the Flyers are tied for the league lead in fighting majors with 20.

We are both old enough to remember when 20 fights was a decent month for the Flyers.
- MBFlyerfan

lol, yes - younger me would miss that, now me is glad it's gone.

They're not gooning it up, which was one of your complaints.
- Scoob

If you’d like to hang on to that word I can retract it if it prevents you from somehow seeing the full picture.

Ristolainen, Deslauries, MacEwen, and a full commitment to John Tortorella beliefs is something most NHL franchises would do in 2023?

Thank you for the laugh.

I can’t stand Fletcher as the GM. He should be far away from any NHL front office. That being said l, let’s supposed CF gets canned today. Who replaces him and how does it actually move the team forward? The reality is that CF has messed this team up so badly that it’s gonna take years to dig out of this mess l, and that’s assuming someone with a good plan takes over. Dave Scott not a man with a plan. CF is a rudderless ship. Do we expect Briere to be any different? I hope so but confidence is low, very low.

His overall point is clear, and has been for some time.

Status quo, protecting, and projecting Flyer history onto NHL hockey in 2022.

That the Flyers know best, and teams trying to actively increase their odds at drafting top players are something to be sneered at from above.

Wheels keep on turnin’.
- FlyerFan3260

Nope - his point is that simply getting the #1 pick is no guarantee of success. You need to use your picks wisely and build around your stars.

I can’t stand Fletcher as the GM. He should be far away from any NHL front office. That being said l, let’s supposed CF gets canned today. Who replaces him and how does it actually move the team forward? The reality is that CF has messed this team up so badly that it’s gonna take years to dig out of this mess l, and that’s assuming someone with a good plan takes over. Dave Scott not a man with a plan. CF is a rudderless ship. Do we expect Briere to be any different? I hope so but confidence is low, very low.
- mikeyo27

I do not.

Trying to understand the logic here. We need to tank because we are not good, but we can’t simply tank because our young players are now playing well and are healthy?

We will have a 18 to 25.5% chance if we finish last overall, but somehow we must tank.

This isn’t the nba where half the players only show up a few games a year and you can just bench a Robinson w a nonsense injury to get Duncan.

The reality is the Flyers young players are too good to finish last overall and that’s cause of the decent drafting (and schenn n g trades) by the previous and current gm. Um, that’s kinda a good thing isn’t it? Am I missing something here.

We have some good young players and need more. Just what do we do w the current crop of young players this season? If we send them down the same folks here who want to tank will complain that we hate youth and mismanage young players.

The young players (when healthy) and coach are doing their job.

Curious if anyone here who loves this tanking nonsense has season tickets or has ever had season tickets. Easy to say just tank when you have 0 skin in the game.

Also the same folks here cry when they win and cry when they lose. Ya kinda wonder how you can retain any sense of credibility if you cry wolf all of the time…
- Joe Nardone

By all means continue on the present path, and see how much skin is left in that game.

10years of largely poor success. The best the Flyers have to yield for that is Carter Hart, Konecny, and Gauthier?

The status quo that’s defended so proudly is an interesting concept. This fanbase sometimes gets what it deserves.

lol, yes - younger me would miss that, now me is glad it's gone.
- Scoob

Agreed, and I also can't stand that every big clean hit has to result in some sort of fight.

Dirty hit? Fine, go after the perpetrator. But a clean hit? Take it like a man, get his number, and repay in kind down the line.