I love this team.
- Scoob

I like the effort compared to years past, but the year they really need to suck for a better draft pick they will screw it up with said effort

Yeah the full tank is on with some of these teams no shot Flyers pick in the top 5 unless get real lucky with ping pong balls. My fear is they fall in that 10-12 spot where your odds of finding a top tier talent is significantly less. They desperately need to develop some elite young talent. I see more teams joining the tank a thon to get in the lottery
- hfc355

Even a methodical and deliberate tanking over a few years does not guarantee results. There are quite a few teams in the NHL to prove this point. The root cause of Flyers results is not a lack of talent. Lack of talent is the symptom of the root cause. And till you have a main problem untouched it really does not matter how much talent you can throw into the system.

Even a methodical and deliberate tanking over a few years does not guarantee results. There are quite a few teams in the NHL to prove this point. The root cause of Flyers results is not a lack of talent. Lack of talent is the symptom of the root cause. And till you have a main problem untouched it really does not matter how much talent you can throw into the system.
- missingmike

Really hate this take, just because other organizations are bad doesn’t mean getting top end talent isn’t absolutely necessary. Literally every single team that has won the the past decade was built from acquiring top picks. Blues maybe the anomaly

Wow are we going to have goaltending now be our team strength.
Where would we be if all of our wounded were playing?

Really hate this take, just because other organizations are bad doesn’t mean getting top end talent isn’t absolutely necessary. Literally every single team that has won the the past decade was built from acquiring top picks. Blues maybe the anomaly
- ClaudeFather

Well, the team did have a top 2 pick and did not work out so well. When does TK.get elevated to an elite player? No sarcasm, just curious. He has shown to be a very good player. If he finishes over 90 pts this season- would he be considered a franchise pkayer? I think it is an interesting debate.

Yeah the full tank is on with some of these teams no shot Flyers pick in the top 5 unless get real lucky with ping pong balls. My fear is they fall in that 10-12 spot where your odds of finding a top tier talent is significantly less. They desperately need to develop some elite young talent. I see more teams joining the tank a thon to get in the lottery
- hfc355

Yeah, they never really had a shot with Chicago signaling a tank last year and Anaheim and Columbus fully embracing it after a poor start and injuries. They've also shown to not be nearly as bad as San Jose and Arizona and now Montreal is joining that pack. They'll finish anywhere from 7-13th from the bottom. Just hope it's on the low end so they still have a (long) shot at Bedard.

Well, the team did have a top 2 pick and did not work out so well. When does TK.get elevated to an elite player? No sarcasm, just curious. He has shown to be a very good player. If he finishes over 90 pts this season- would he be considered a franchise pkayer? I think it is an interesting debate.
- Trox88

Sooo we should strive to pick 9th overall until there’s maybe a miracle to get out of this? Travis Konecny is not a franchise player, he’s a first line winger. He’s not going to carry a team, he can be a big part of a team.

No, picking at the top of the draft does not guarantee anything. It is about probabilities. The sharps in other organizations know how to stack the deck and give themselves a higher probability. This shouldn’t need explaining over and over again.

They are playing chess while the Flyers are playing checkers.

Seems like Ersson passes Sandstrom on the backup depth chart.

No, picking at the top of the draft does not guarantee anything. It is about probabilities. The sharps in other organizations know how to stack the deck and give themselves a higher probability. This shouldn’t need explaining over and over again.

They are playing chess while the Flyers are playing checkers.
- StepfordSam

Flyers front office is playing pick up sticks with their butt cheeks

I like the effort compared to years past, but the year they really need to suck for a better draft pick they will screw it up with said effort
- corduroy

Can't blame that on the coaches or the players.

Really hate this take, just because other organizations are bad doesn’t mean getting top end talent isn’t absolutely necessary. Literally every single team that has won the the past decade was built from acquiring top picks. Blues maybe the anomaly
- ClaudeFather

We will have to agree to disagree. While getting talent is necessary, it has not been sufficient. The team needs to have a system in place from coaching in the minors to all the way up to GM to make sure that the talent is developed, and the system is optimized for a better talent utilization ( meaning balanced team with good role fitting).

No, picking at the top of the draft does not guarantee anything. It is about probabilities. The sharps in other organizations know how to stack the deck and give themselves a higher probability. This shouldn’t need explaining over and over again.

They are playing chess while the Flyers are playing checkers.
- StepfordSam

If you do not have balanced team with good GM and coaching- your picking probabilities will not matter. How manty top prospects had gone to Edmonton to stagnate before the regime changed?
Things had to change in Washington for Ovi to finally win the Cup.

We will have to agree to disagree. While getting talent is necessary, it has not been sufficient. The team needs to have a system in place from coaching in the minors to all the way up to GM to make sure that the talent is developed, and the system is optimized for a better talent utilization ( meaning balanced team with good role fitting).
- missingmike

i totally agree that they need to clean house on development and management . You still need talent to get out of this hole, and on top of that, the high end talent have less of a chance of being ruined by the current staff since the groundwork is already there

If you do not have balanced team with good GM and coaching- your picking probabilities will not matter. How manty top prospects had gone to Edmonton to stagnate before the regime changed?
Things had to change in Washington for Ovi to finally win the Cup.
- missingmike

Nothing has changed in Edmonton, they just picked two world class players and it makes up for their incompetence and has made them relevant

i totally agree that they need to clean house on development and management . You still need talent to get out of this hole, and on top of that, the high end talent have less of a chance of being ruined by the current staff since the groundwork is already there
- ClaudeFather

Foundations get to build before the houses. You hire a Yzerman first and than let him build the team. Or you can be Oilers of 2008- 2019

Nothing has changed in Edmonton, they just picked two world class players and it makes up for their incompetence and has made them relevant
- ClaudeFather

Ok. Proves my point even more.

I know Biz is buddies w/ Hayes, so he's stickinging up for his boy, but some of the stuff he says about the way Torts handles his players lands squarely.

Can't blame that on the coaches or the players.
- Scoob

That is the problem with hiring Torts, he is a good coach and has a track record of getting the most out of his rosters. Professional athletes and coaches are wired to win, that is why they are where they are in the first place.

I know Biz is buddies w/ Hayes, so he's stickinging up for his boy, but some of the stuff he says about the way Torts handles his players lands squarely.
- Tomahawk

I don't think it did at all, and came across very bitter if you ask me. Comparing Torts to Sutter in LA was just unfair. He has no idea what its like in the Flyers locker room right now.

Thank you for providing stats. But, he has not fit the mold of the PP QB from the very beginning and it has not been a good idea from a get go.
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- missingmike

he's sure getting paid like somebody who fits the mold.

Can't blame that on the coaches or the players.
- Scoob

true

Foundations get to build before the houses. You hire a Yzerman first and then let him build the team. Or you can be Oilers of 2008- 2019
- missingmike

The lightning were terrible and drafted high when he took over. He got his pieces in the draft and inherited Hedman and Stamkos.

One thing about Torts is his teams absolutely annoy the poop out of opponents who try to skirt by with minimum effort and pure finesse.

Buffalo, Anaheim, New Jersey all got a taste of that recently.

Lot of Flyers teams in the past have experienced it too over the years playing Columbus and New York.

I don't think it did at all, and came across very bitter if you ask me. Comparing Torts to Sutter in LA was just unfair. He has no idea what its like in the Flyers locker room right now.
- jd250

You think his buddy Hayes isn't feeding him PBP of what's going on behind the scenes?