You value the Center position more than goaltending when building a team? Or simply value that centre more than hart? Very good to elite goaltending (see vas) along with a stud dman is essential for building a consistent contender. Build from the net out.

Although the avs won with a middle of the pack tender last year, it’s not a model for consistent playoff success imo.
- Hextall271

Most Cup winners seem to prioritize in this order:
1) No 1 Center
2) Elite or near elite winger
3) An elite D man
4) A 2nd Center
5) solid goalie
6) Core of 5 to 7 players
7) Depth

Most Cup winners seem to prioritize in this order:
1) No 1 Center
2) Elite or near elite winger
3) An elite D man
4) A 2nd Center
5) solid goalie
6) Core of 5 to 7 players
7) Depth
- Minnyhock

You just need a damn good team to win the cup. It’s not really prioritizing one thing over the other. Penguins won without an elite D, luckily they have two number 1 centers. Depth is just a clear need always, see the Oilers last year.

Please don’t start the fire sale until the Moron Chuck Fletcher is fired.

The amount of roster and draft pick value he has given away for nothing over his tenure has put this organization into a hole that will take years to climb out of.

He cannot be allowed to do more damage.

Please don’t start the fire sale until the Moron Chuck Fletcher is fired.

The amount of roster and draft pick value he has given away for nothing over his tenure has put this organization into a hole that will take years to climb out of.

He cannot be allowed to do more damage.
- Shrike

100%

Most Cup winners seem to prioritize in this order:
1) No 1 Center
2) Elite or near elite winger
3) An elite D man
4) A 2nd Center
5) solid goalie
6) Core of 5 to 7 players
7) Depth
- Minnyhock

IMO big minute transition dman is the most important piece.

While it's still possible to win with middling goaltending and goalscoring by committee, you don't see any teams winning w/o their 25+ min dman being able to retrieve and transition at a reliably elite level. Carolina is the only team that managed to do that thru committee right out of the lockout, otherwise it's been a non-stop parade of the best dmen in the league winning Cups.

It's a big reason why the Flyers haven't been great with Provy as their #1.

Please don’t start the fire sale until the Moron Chuck Fletcher is fired.

The amount of roster and draft pick value he has given away for nothing over his tenure has put this organization into a hole that will take years to climb out of.

He cannot be allowed to do more damage.
- Shrike

Agree, but the hire must be a good one. I don't think an internal candidate is the right way to go.

It's the same thinking that you had on the Giroux trade and now seem to have for trading Provorov.
- MJL

Ok, say the Flyers do want to trade Provorov this off season. What would you consider to be a reasonable expectation of what the Flyers would get in return?

So who starts in goal tonight? I say let Ersson have at it!! Wounded egos come later! Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

I want the Flyers to start Hart. Ersson is too good for this team right now.

Ok, say the Flyers do want to trade Provorov this off season. What would you consider to be a reasonable expectation of what the Flyers would get in return?
- jd250

Not MJL, but I have a feeling the best we could hope for would be a Brayden Schenn type of deal. Two low 1sts and taking a big contract back in return.

It's the same thinking that you had on the Giroux trade and now seem to have for trading Provorov.
- MJL

But there is a big difference here. Recall with Giroux he tied Fletchers hands by making it known that he was only willing to be traded to Florida. In this instance it was amazing that Fletcher got what he did from Florida. In this case Provorov would not have that same ability to dictate which team he prefers to be traded to so an actual bidding war can happen and the Flyers can maximize their return.

Agree, but the hire must be a good one. I don't think an internal candidate is the right way to go.
- Scoob

Hard no on anyone currently connected to the Flyers. The difficult thing will be to not be blinded by how much better than Fletcher a new GM will be when trying to decide if they are good or not.

Being better than Fletcher is the lowest bar possible. I would choose an 18 year old Penguins fan who actively hates the Flyers over Chuck Fletcher. You couldn’t try to destroy the Flyers and do worse than Fletcher.

What is worse, Fletcher or someone who still believes in Fletcher?

Most Cup winners seem to prioritize in this order:
1) No 1 Center
2) Elite or near elite winger
3) An elite D man
4) A 2nd Center
5) solid goalie
6) Core of 5 to 7 players
7) Depth
- Minnyhock

Wingers are the least important position in hockey. That's not to say they aren't important. Build through the middle. Center, defense, goaltending. An elite defenseman is higher in the order than an elite winger.

But there is a big difference here. Recall with Giroux he tied Fletchers hands by making it known that he was only willing to be traded to Florida. In this instance it was amazing that Fletcher got what he did from Florida. In this case Provorov would not have that same ability to dictate which team he prefers to be traded to so an actual bidding war can happen and the Flyers can maximize their return.
- jd250

His cap hit and term are basically the trade restriction.

You just need a damn good team to win the cup. It’s not really prioritizing one thing over the other. Penguins won without an elite D, luckily they have two number 1 centers. Depth is just a clear need always, see the Oilers last year.
- ClaudeFather

Kris Letang.

Ok, say the Flyers do want to trade Provorov this off season. What would you consider to be a reasonable expectation of what the Flyers would get in return?
- jd250

One high level asset. Either a first round pick or a high level prospect and another asset. You won't get a top 10 pick in the 23 draft.

Not MJL, but I have a feeling the best we could hope for would be a Brayden Schenn type of deal. Two low 1sts and taking a big contract back in return.
- Tomahawk

What do you consider low 1sts, like 25-32? This would imply a contending team, not a team looking to accelerate their rebuild. The problem here is contending teams typically do not have a lot of cap space and thus the need to take back a contract. I believe there will be teams that have been rebuilding and feel they are ready to take a next step that might be interested in Provorov, especially given he is cost controlled for 2 years, which does not totally take away their flexibility.

But there is a big difference here. Recall with Giroux he tied Fletchers hands by making it known that he was only willing to be traded to Florida. In this instance it was amazing that Fletcher got what he did from Florida. In this case Provorov would not have that same ability to dictate which team he prefers to be traded to so an actual bidding war can happen and the Flyers can maximize their return.
- jd250

After all this time of ripping the GM for the return on the Giroux trade. Now it's amazing he got what he did. Can't make it up. There is no big difference. It's more pipe dreams versus reality again.

But there is a big difference here. Recall with Giroux he tied Fletchers hands by making it known that he was only willing to be traded to Florida. In this instance it was amazing that Fletcher got what he did from Florida. In this case Provorov would not have that same ability to dictate which team he prefers to be traded to so an actual bidding war can happen and the Flyers can maximize their return.
- jd250

Giroux did not tie chuckles hands -- just stop - please

His cap hit and term are basically the trade restriction.
- Tomahawk

We know Provorov is not a 1A defenseman, but he is a legitimate top 4 defenseman that is in tremendous shape and can eat big minutes. For less than $7M a year that is good value and his term is only 2 years, which means in year 2 the team could move Provorov at the deadline for additional assets if they so choose.

What do you consider low 1sts, like 25-32? This would imply a contending team, not a team looking to accelerate their rebuild. The problem here is contending teams typically do not have a lot of cap space and thus the need to take back a contract. I believe there will be teams that have been rebuilding and feel they are ready to take a next step that might be interested in Provorov, especially given he is cost controlled for 2 years, which does not totally take away their flexibility.
- jd250

Which rebuilding team looking to take the next step? Teams that are in a rebuilding phase are not normally looking to give up first round picks.

Wingers are the least important position in hockey. That's not to say they aren't important. Build through the middle. Center, defense, goaltending. An elite defenseman is higher in the order than an elite winger.
- MJL

I disagree. All the recent Cup winners had at least one elite winger. Rantanen, Kucherov, Ovi, Kessel, Hossa, etc. That elite center isn’t making it happen without help.

Kris Letang.
- MJL

Kris letang wasn’t there for one of the cups

His cap hit and term are basically the trade restriction.
- Tomahawk

You listen to real Kyper and Bourne?

We know Provorov is not a 1A defenseman, but he is a legitimate top 4 defenseman that is in tremendous shape and can eat big minutes. For less than $7M a year that is good value and his term is only 2 years, which means in year 2 the team could move Provorov at the deadline for additional assets if they so choose.
- jd250

Provy takes up 8% of salary cap. Which team can allocate that much on a #2/3 defenseman and still contend?

IMO big minute transition dman is the most important piece.

While it's still possible to win with middling goaltending and goalscoring by committee, you don't see any teams winning w/o their 25+ min dman being able to retrieve and transition at a reliably elite level. Carolina is the only team that managed to do that thru committee right out of the lockout, otherwise it's been a non-stop parade of the best dmen in the league winning Cups.

It's a big reason why the Flyers haven't been great with Provy as their #1.
- Tomahawk

I think Bob Mckenzie said it on some broadcast once. That cup winners need two players who are game changers. Guys who can elevate their game and just take over a game. Doesn't mean both do it in the same game just two. Avs had MacK and Makar, Tampa had Vasi, Kuch, Stammer...Chicago had Keith, Kane, Toews...etc...

Doesn't guarantee cup wins but it's a recipe for it. Just food for thought.