Excuse me, he's 29, not 28 or 30. No need for you to keep lying. We're in fantasy land, so the trade happens today at their current ages. And, like I said, I'd think on it. But, let's be clear Conner's been in the playoffs 4 seasons in a row. This year will make 5.

Meanwhile, we'll maybe have a Norris and a Rocket in Buffalo this season. We won't have playoffs though unless a goalie magically appears.
- lacaprup

Hellebuyck has a save percentage worse than .900 in 7 of his 32 starts this season

https://www.espn.com/nhl/...3020225/connor-hellebuyck

25 games last season including 6 in a row

https://www.espn.com/nhl/...og/_/id/3020225/year/2022



this team is lacking chemistry in the middle 6 and literally throws out 3 crappy d men every night


our issues is a lot more than a goalie


you could make a case the goalie costs us a possible 8th seed and 4 games vs the bruins but to be a cup competing team we need a lot more than a goalie

Hellebuyck has a save percentage worse than .900 in 7 of his 32 starts this season

https://www.espn.com/nhl/...3020225/connor-hellebuyck

25 games last season including 6 in a row

https://www.espn.com/nhl/...og/_/id/3020225/year/2022



this team is lacking chemistry in the middle 6 and literally throws out 3 crappy d men every night


our issues is a lot more than a goalie


you could make a case the goalie costs us a possible 8th seed and 4 games vs the bruins but to be a cup competing team we need a lot more than a goalie
- homiedclown

I didn't drive down this road but I saw it.

UPL by the way has actually been pretty good since his bad start. And I'm not a UPL guy.
- TheSabresTaco

He wasn't horrible last night, but he wasn't good enough either. Good goalies stop screened shots and deflections every night in the NHL... except ours. For a 6'5" goalie, UPL watches goals go above his shoulder so much it's frightening. He goes down way before the shot happens all the time.

Hellebuyck has a save percentage worse than .900 in 7 of his 32 starts this season

https://www.espn.com/nhl/...3020225/connor-hellebuyck

25 games last season including 6 in a row

https://www.espn.com/nhl/...og/_/id/3020225/year/2022



this team is lacking chemistry in the middle 6 and literally throws out 3 crappy d men every night


our issues is a lot more than a goalie


you could make a case the goalie costs us a possible 8th seed and 4 games vs the bruins but to be a cup competing team we need a lot more than a goalie
- homiedclown

Fix some other holes, go along way in helping your goalies. Play better D and don't fumble the puck so much in your own zone and half those crappy goals disappear.

you could make a case the goalie costs us a possible 8th seed and 4 games vs the bruins but to be a cup competing team we need a lot more than a goalie
- homiedclown

This is not in doubt, but we will never know what we truly need in the playoffs until we get there and see how our players play in the playoffs. Do we have a Claude Lemieux or Danny Briere who magically turns into a 3x better player in the playoffs? I don't know and neither does anyone else. And we're not finding out this season.

He wasn't horrible last night, but he wasn't good enough either. Good goalies stop screened shots and deflections every night in the NHL... except ours. For a 6'5" goalie, UPL watches goals go above his shoulder so much it's frightening. He goes down way before the shot happens all the time.
- lacaprup

0/5 on pp cost them the game

you can't expect a rookie goalie to outperform an all star that stops 39/41 shots

not realistic

Fix some other holes, go along way in helping your goalies. Play better D and don't fumble the puck so much in your own zone and half those crappy goals disappear.
- Buff36

we are closer to the 15th seed in the east then the 8th seed

0/5 on pp cost them the game

you can't expect a rookie goalie to outperform an all star that stops 39/41 shots

not realistic
- homiedclown

Sure. Give me .900% in the game and we take at least 1 point though.

UPL has had a top 15 Goals Saved Above Expected in the league since December 5th. Hellebuyck is ranked 22nd here.

There's a lot that goes into this, and how it relates to actual wins, but the fact that UPL has performing well for the shoddier defense in front of him is pretty impressive.

You can't make win/loss predictions on this information, but you can ascertain that UPL has played like a top half goalie since the start of last month.

I'll say it again because it's still true. Cam Talbot or Ville Husso and we're looking down at Tampa from the 3 spot.

UPL has had a top 15 Goals Saved Above Expected in the league since December 5th. Hellebuyck is ranked 22nd here.

There's a lot that goes into this, but the fact that UPL has performing well for the shoddier defense in front of him is pretty impressive.

You can't make win/loss predictions on this information, but you can ascertain that UPL has played like a top half goalie since the start of last month.
- TheSabresTaco

Funny, and UPL has a handful of wins in those excellent games too. Funny how good goaltending and wins go together.

we are closer to the 15th seed in the east then the 8th seed
- homiedclown

Pretty true. Bad thing is it might have been able to be changed if a few tweaks had been made. Looks like there going down with this ship and want to see how this young team handles it. Bad thing with that is a lot of these young guys have played a lot of losing hockey here already.

I'll say it again because it's still true. Cam Talbot or Ville Husso and we're looking down at Tampa from the 3 spot.
- lacaprup

oo I have some bad news

Pretty true. Bad thing is it might have been able to be changed if a few tweaks had been made. Looks like there going down with this ship and want to see how this young team handles it. Bad thing with that is a lot of these young guys have played a lot of losing hockey here already.
- Buff36

And resigning Dahlin just got harder. I hope he really loves it here because every single team in the league with money is going to be lining up for him. All he knows is losing and losing at home.

Funny, and UPL has a handful of wins in those excellent games too. Funny how good goaltending and wins go together.
- lacaprup

Do you think I'm trying to tell you that good goaltending is useless

And resigning Dahlin just got harder. I hope he really loves it here because every single team in the league with money is going to be lining up for him. All he knows is losing and losing at home.
- lacaprup

He's staying here for a long time, write it down.

He's staying here for a long time, write it down.
- TheSabresTaco

He better be. If they manage to lose him they lose a lot more fans than they already have.

Funny, and UPL has a handful of wins in those excellent games too. Funny how good goaltending and wins go together.
- lacaprup

Did you know that the Flyers and the Coyotes have the 10th and 12th ranked goalies when it comes to goals saved above expectation?

They don't always

But most of the time you need competence in goal to sniff the playoffs. UPL has been that for over a month.

The Sabres couldn't beat the goalie last night. He and only he won the game for them.

He better be. If they manage to lose him they lose a lot more fans than they already have.
- lacaprup

They will not lose him. I promise you. Not anytime soon at least. Based on his abilities and the age of himself and the team, he could very well be here for 10+ years.

Did you know that the Flyers and the Coyotes have the 10th and 12th ranked goalies when it comes to goals saved above expectation?

They don't always
- TheSabresTaco

I'm sorry, you said expected when telling me a stat. I disregard everything I hear when the word expected is used.

I'm sorry, you said expected when telling me a stat. I disregard everything I hear when the word expected is used.
- lacaprup

perfect. then we'll just move into assumptions based on feelings.

perfect. then we'll just move into assumptions based on feelings.
- TheSabresTaco

Isn't that exactly what an "expected" statistic is? Stick with objective numbers, they actually mean something. Unless you think Asplund deserved that Selke vote?

Isn't that exactly what an "expected" statistic is? Stick with objective numbers, they actually mean something. Unless you think Asplund deserved that Selke vote?
- lacaprup

The numbers are derived from objective numbers.

They're created from the types of chances a goalie faces every night. If you'd like to learn about it, I can provide reading material. If you don't care, that's your business.
Evaluating goalies across the league on an even playing field requires this analysis because some teams suck ass and some are great. So while one goalie may get an 18 shot shutout and another one may get a 38 shot shutout, their end stats look the same.

But in reality, there's a huge chance the 38 shot guy performed better not because of the volume he faced, but there were probably a lot more high danger chances. A great goalie makes great saves.

This is part of what goes into the "expected". So if you care to learn more, I'll point you in the direction, or if you want to Harrington it, that's your prerogative.

The numbers are derived from objective numbers.

They're created from the types of chances a goalie faces every night. If you'd like to learn about it, I can provide reading material. If you don't care, that's your business.
Evaluating goalies across the league on an even playing field requires this analysis because some teams suck ass and some are great. So while one goalie may get an 18 shot shutout and another one may get a 38 shot shutout, their end stats look the same.

But in reality, there's a huge chance the 38 shot guy performed better not because of the volume he faced, but there were probably a lot more high danger chances. A great goalie makes great saves.

This is part of what goes into the "expected". So if you care to learn more, I'll point you in the direction, or if you want to Harrington it, that's your prerogative.
- TheSabresTaco

So did Asplund deserve the Selke vote or not last season? You failed to answer that very simple question.

So did Asplund deserve the Selke vote or not last season? You failed to answer that very simple question.
- lacaprup

Figured I'd stay with one point at a time.

Objectively Asplund was an extremely valuable defensive forward. However his competition was average.

It would be subjective of me to determine whether or not he deserved the one vote. Considering the size of the voting pool, sure, give him the vote. He didn't deserve to win because of the argument above.

Usually those Selke votes go to best two way player and Asplunds offense was bad.