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hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Jan 12 @ 11:37 AM ET
Hayes is not long for the Flyers, will be traded by the deadline
- jd250

Not a chance...no body taking on 3 yrs of Hayes.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 12 @ 11:38 AM ET
I think it would be crazy (stupid) to stand pat. They know players like Braun and JVR will not be with them next year. You sell. And they have said for months they are finding out who is part of the future. Well, whoever is not, you sell. I know many won’t get a lot back but even a 6th round pick is something.
- NC Flyers Fan


Braun's probably gone if anybody still wants him. JVR I can't see them trading if they're within shooting distance of a wild card spot. The allure of "anything can happen in the POs" is just too great.

And just based on the way Torts talks, I expect Frost and Bellows to be gone before next season. Maybe Zamula and Allison, too. And Cates will be signed to a long term deal lol.
rayc16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Free Frosty
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 12 @ 11:42 AM ET
Braun's probably gone if anybody still wants him. JVR I can't see them trading if they're within shooting distance of a wild card spot. The allure of "anything can happen in the POs" is just too great.

And just based on the way Torts talks, I expect Frost and Bellows to be gone before next season. Maybe Zamula and Allison, too. And Cates will be signed to a long term deal lol.

- Tomahawk

I can see all of that happening.... and I don't know how they'll do it but I can't see another year of Hayes and Torts.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 12 @ 11:52 AM ET
Braun's probably gone if anybody still wants him. JVR I can't see them trading if they're within shooting distance of a wild card spot. The allure of "anything can happen in the POs" is just too great.

And just based on the way Torts talks, I expect Frost and Bellows to be gone before next season. Maybe Zamula and Allison, too. And Cates will be signed to a long term deal lol.

- Tomahawk


Playoffs is just crazy talk. They need to stay the course and attempt to right the ship. Wins and improved play by the youth is wonderful, the Flyers need to remember they are building for the future. Don’t get fooled into thinking the foundation is a full-grown skyscraper. Sell!

Well, here is my list…

Still deciding—DeAngelo, Bellows, Laczynski, Sandstrom
Trade by deadline if possible—Hayes, JVR, Braun, MacEwen, Brown, Seeler
THE EVIL WITHIN
Season Ticket Holder
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Jan 12 @ 11:52 AM ET
He is definitely not a coach you hire if a tank is on the table.
- landros 2

Willie Desjardins was the solution to get Bedard, or come as close as possible. But flyers "won" Patrick from 13th position. So it's still a chance! 🎂 🥳
THE EVIL WITHIN
Season Ticket Holder
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Jan 12 @ 11:56 AM ET
Is Andre and Hogan still wrestling against Bundy & Studd?
- PLindbergh31

Chris McAllister was taller than Andre.
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Jan 12 @ 12:01 PM ET
Braun's probably gone if anybody still wants him. JVR I can't see them trading if they're within shooting distance of a wild card spot. The allure of "anything can happen in the POs" is just too great.

And just based on the way Torts talks, I expect Frost and Bellows to be gone before next season. Maybe Zamula and Allison, too. And Cates will be signed to a long term deal lol.

- Tomahawk


I can see Cates becoming the new Matt Read. Overvalued, over paid, slotted too high in line-up. Matty Read would have been a perfect 3rd-4th line forward for us. He was paid based on a strong offensive year and never recovered.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 12 @ 12:20 PM ET
Braun's probably gone if anybody still wants him. JVR I can't see them trading if they're within shooting distance of a wild card spot. The allure of "anything can happen in the POs" is just too great.

And just based on the way Torts talks, I expect Frost and Bellows to be gone before next season. Maybe Zamula and Allison, too. And Cates will be signed to a long term deal lol.

- Tomahawk


Frost didn't have any points but he played a whale of a game last night. If Tortorella isn't happy with his play now, he's an idiot.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 12 @ 12:23 PM ET
I can see Cates becoming the new Matt Read. Overvalued, over paid, slotted too high in line-up. Matty Read would have been a perfect 3rd-4th line forward for us. He was paid based on a strong offensive year and never recovered.
- cdearth23


Matt Read was a 3rd line winger for the Flyers and he scored at a high rate at ES and was a pretty good player for the Flyers overall. That is what I wish Cates would develop into.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 12 @ 12:24 PM ET
I told you all a month ago there was a market for Kevin Hayes, especially if the Flyers cover some of his salary, and that one potential landing spot was Boston. Well, here is an article that just came out stating the same exact thing!

https://www.thefourthperi...provorov-future-uncertain
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 12 @ 12:29 PM ET
Braun's probably gone if anybody still wants him. JVR I can't see them trading if they're within shooting distance of a wild card spot. The allure of "anything can happen in the POs" is just too great.

And just based on the way Torts talks, I expect Frost and Bellows to be gone before next season. Maybe Zamula and Allison, too. And Cates will be signed to a long term deal lol.

- Tomahawk

The Flyers have already informed teams JVR, Hayes and Provorov are all available. JVR will definitely be moved and will be highly sought after. I think Hayes has a decent shot of being moved by the deadline if the Flyers cover salary, and I think Provorov is gone in the off season. I am a bit squeamish on Provorov however, given what the Flyers are stuck with on defense now and the fact that this draft does not have any projected stud defenseman.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 12 @ 12:32 PM ET
I told you all a month ago there was a market for Kevin Hayes, especially if the Flyers cover some of his salary, and that one potential landing spot was Boston. Well, here is an article that just came out stating the same exact thing!

https://www.thefourthperi...provorov-future-uncertain

- jd250


LMAO, there is nothing there. Know when we'll know if there is a market for Kevin Hayes. When he is traded.
Pompous
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ruskin, FL
Joined: 02.19.2014

Jan 12 @ 12:49 PM ET
And in the spirit of 'Trading Places', "Nooooo!" x's three.'
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jan 12 @ 1:27 PM ET
I think it would be crazy (stupid) to stand pat. They know players like Braun and JVR will not be with them next year. You sell. And they have said for months they are finding out who is part of the future. Well, whoever is not, you sell. I know many won’t get a lot back but even a 6th round pick is something.
- NC Flyers Fan


I can see the soon to be FA vets being moved buti don't see much beyond that.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Jan 12 @ 1:41 PM ET
I can see Cates becoming the new Matt Read. Overvalued, over paid, slotted too high in line-up. Matty Read would have been a perfect 3rd-4th line forward for us. He was paid based on a strong offensive year and never recovered.
- cdearth23


i think read would more be his floor at this point. I think he will have a better career with better numbers than read. Wasn't read also a little older coming to the nhl as well? Defensively yes, but think cates has more offense than read.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jan 12 @ 1:41 PM ET
The credit goes mostly to Konecny. He studied a ton of video and analytics on his shot locations last offseason -- seeing that he was shooting too much from outside the dots and needing to get inside more -- and worked out like a madman to report to camp in the best shape of his life. All of this was before Day 1 of camp on the ice with Tortorella. Konecny has kept at it ever since.
- bmeltzer


Teams have been speculating about what it would take to pry TK from the Flyers for years. The potential, talent and skill was apparent to everyone. Imo Guerin had a plan to convert him to center before Kaprizov’s rookie season when he inquired about him at that time. Instead he moved Hartman there. Most likely Guerin balked at the cost. Just maybe Fletcher should get some credit here.


SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 12 @ 1:53 PM ET
Travis Konency isn’t only our best player. There isn’t a close a second.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 12 @ 1:56 PM ET
Matt Read was a 3rd line winger for the Flyers and he scored at a high rate at ES and was a pretty good player for the Flyers overall. That is what I wish Cates would develop into.
- MJL

Pretty good comparison if Cates can pick up his offense. I remember when Read started to lose scoring touch. So much so he started the first half of his last season in here the minors. We bring him up and put him on the last place PK in the league and he instantly helped improve it.

Fact check me. I’m just going by memory.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

Jan 12 @ 2:00 PM ET
there's more satisfaction to be had by watching our draft picks finally put it together than falling into success with a Bedard so I'm not going to lose sleep over not losing.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

Jan 12 @ 2:21 PM ET
LMAO, there is nothing there. Know when we'll know if there is a market for Kevin Hayes. When he is traded.
- MJL


if he does go to Boston you should just delete your account
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 12 @ 2:24 PM ET
Travis Konency isn’t only our best player. There isn’t a close a second.
- SuperSchennBros


I disagree. Our goaltenders have been stellar. They make mistakes, like TK makes mistakes but they have kept at it and are top notch in my mind.

The other good players may not be on the top line level but many have improved or are currently making strides. Very little talk about regression right now.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 12 @ 2:38 PM ET
if he does go to Boston you should just delete your account

- black_francis


Sure if you'll delete your account if he doesn't.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jan 12 @ 2:52 PM ET
I told you all a month ago there was a market for Kevin Hayes, especially if the Flyers cover some of his salary, and that one potential landing spot was Boston. Well, here is an article that just came out stating the same exact thing!

https://www.thefourthperi...provorov-future-uncertain

- jd250


Why would Boston upset their chemistry and phenomenal season by getting an inconsistent not team first guy? A big guy who doesn’t use his size and doesn’t always show up is not someone you want taking a roster spot in the playoffs.


cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Jan 12 @ 3:00 PM ET
Pretty good comparison if Cates can pick up his offense. I remember when Read started to lose scoring touch. So much so he started the first half of his last season in here the minors. We bring him up and put him on the last place PK in the league and he instantly helped improve it.

Fact check me. I’m just going by memory.

- SuperSchennBros


Matt Read came to us after 4 year college career and put up good numbers. He may have scored 20+ goals that first year. He got a nice "top 6" contract (I don't remember the figure 10 years ago) and just didn't produce like we had hoped. He may have hit 20 goals again once. He should've been 3rd or 4th line PK guy but our roster forced him to play up the line-up. It just didn't pan out for him. I was critical of him due to the fact that he underperformed. Not his fault at all.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 12 @ 3:03 PM ET
Matt Read came to us after 4 year college career and put up good numbers. He may have scored 20+ goals that first year. He got a nice "top 6" contract (I don't remember the figure 10 years ago) and just didn't produce like we had hoped. He may have hit 20 goals again once. He should've been 3rd or 4th line PK guy but our roster forced him to play up the line-up. It just didn't pan out for him. I was critical of him due to the fact that he underperformed. Not his fault at all.
- cdearth23



Read was never the same after he got that high ankle sprain and tried to come back early from it.
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