Goal Caufield 24!

Ok, you watch and see. Hayes for 3 years $7.1M, yes no one would take that contract. But Hayes for 3 years at $4M, that is bargain for a 2nd line player compared to what other 2nd line centers are making, and the price is only going to go up as the cap goes up.
- jd250

Is Hayes really a second line center on a true contender? I think not.

Goal Caufield 24!
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Yay! As good as Konency!

Goal Caufield 24!
- THE EVIL WITHIN

25!

Nah I’m not the one talking out of my a$$ and berating posters here daily. I’ve got no pony in the race.

Watching you sweat might be worth a HB season ticket though 😆
- black_francis

How about you just talk about the hockey and stop making personal comments about other posters?

It’s good if he’s a fun guy and promotes camaraderie in the locker room. But his play on the ice matters more. You watch him more than me. He plays well at times but I see some indifferent and checked out play with little commitment to defense too. Do you think he would welcome being moved just to get away from Torts or because he wants to win?
- Minnyhock

I think its clear Hayes does not want to play the disciplined north/south style that Torts demands, so there is a disconnect there. I would not call Hayes a disciplined player but more of a reactionary player that sort of takes it as it goes. That's fine in the right system, but its not fine in Tort's system. Thus I think more than anything else Hayes would like to get away from Torts and move on to a team where he can play more freely.

Tortorella has been complementary of Frost of late. Just said he needs to keep it up because a few weeks doesn't make a season.
- bmeltzer

There have been a few times where he was asked about Frost specifically and his responses have drifted over to the topic of evaluating who would be here next season. I've watched most of Torts' pressers this season and that topic only ever seems to come up on its own when Frost is being addressed.

Maybe that's just Torts trying to motivate Frost through the media. Or maybe it's Torts' true feelings about Frost leaking out. Frost just isn't the type of player that Torts traditionally gets along with.

Laughts and Cates are his bread and butter. And if/when Coots come back, Frost will probably get pushed back to the fringe.

This is a baseless assumption that you are making.
- MJL

An assumption, yes ... but its not baseless. Fletcher talks about being 10 points out of a playoff spot and Torts states the team is neck deep in a rebuild at the footings, not even the foundation. Fletcher talks about aggressive rebuilds while Torts talks about player evaluation all the way until the end of the season and sitting veterans to develop more young players. Fletcher is silent in the room (at least from what we saw) around player evaluation while Torts and Briere are leading the discussion. Also Torts seems to elevate Briere every chance he gets, again giving Briers credit the other night for helping TK. Ultimately Fletcher did not want to hire Torts but yet Torts is here anyway. So that is my basis for believing Torts is calling the shots around here now.

There have been a few times where he was asked about Frost specifically and his responses have drifted over to the topic of evaluating who would be here next season. I've watched most of Torts' pressers this season and that topic only ever seems to come up on its own when Frost is being addressed.

Maybe that's just Torts trying to motivate Frost through the media. Or maybe it's Torts' true feelings about Frost leaking out. Frost just isn't the type of player that Torts traditionally gets along with.

Laughts and Cates are his bread and butter. And if/when Coots come back, Frost will probably get pushed back to the fringe.
- Tomahawk

Unfortunately Frost has a dark cloud over his head, his lack of consistency. He has played better for the past few weeks no doubt, however where he continues to fall down is his penchant for bad turnovers and not finishing plays. I like that Frost seems to be more assertive out there and I like his speed through the neutral zone. He just needs to keep it up and start finishing plays and if he does that he has a chance either as a winger or to be traded as part of a package that will give him a fresh chance.

An assumption, yes ... but its not baseless. Fletcher talks about being 10 points out of a playoff spot and Torts states the team is neck deep in a rebuild at the footings, not even the foundation. Fletcher talks about aggressive rebuilds while Torts talks about player evaluation all the way until the end of the season and sitting veterans to develop more young players. Fletcher is silent in the room (at least from what we saw) around player evaluation while Torts and Briere are leading the discussion. Also Torts seems to elevate Briere every chance he gets, again giving Briers credit the other night for helping TK. Ultimately Fletcher did not want to hire Torts but yet Torts is here anyway. So that is my basis for believing Torts is calling the shots around here now.
- jd250

Do you realize that a coach has a microphone put in his face on almost a daily basis. While a GM doesn't?
How does any of what you state, signal that Tortorella is in charge over Fletcher?

What factual information do you have that Fletcher did not want to hire Tortorella

You've invented all of this

An assumption, yes ... but its not baseless. Fletcher talks about being 10 points out of a playoff spot and Torts states the team is neck deep in a rebuild at the footings, not even the foundation. Fletcher talks about aggressive rebuilds while Torts talks about player evaluation all the way until the end of the season and sitting veterans to develop more young players. Fletcher is silent in the room (at least from what we saw) around player evaluation while Torts and Briere are leading the discussion. Also Torts seems to elevate Briere every chance he gets, again giving Briers credit the other night for helping TK. Ultimately Fletcher did not want to hire Torts but yet Torts is here anyway. So that is my basis for believing Torts is calling the shots around here now.
- jd250

Torts was actually on 97.5 radio yesterday (was shocked that they were talking hockey) and he gave big ups to Briere for helping TK. He was gushing about Briere and about how he played the game and such. Apparently Briere worked with TK about getting into the higher traffic areas as a smaller player as opposed to staying on the outside. I found his gushing about Briere interesting to say the least.

Unfortunately Frost has a dark cloud over his head, his lack of consistency. He has played better for the past few weeks no doubt, however where he continues to fall down is his penchant for bad turnovers and not finishing plays. I like that Frost seems to be more assertive out there and I like his speed through the neutral zone. He just needs to keep it up and start finishing plays and if he does that he has a chance either as a winger or to be traded as part of a package that will give him a fresh chance.
- jd250

Frost is a center, not a winger. There is no penchant for bad turnovers. Frost has 6 giveaways at 5 on 5 for the season. Frost has played well all season. Last game, his line was dominant against the Caps.

Do you realize that a coach has a microphone put in his face on almost a daily basis. While a GM doesn't?
How does any of what you state, signal that Tortorella is in charge over Fletcher?

What factual information do you have that Fletcher did not want to hire Tortorella

You've invented all of this
- MJL

It was widely reported at the time that Torts was not Fletcher's choice ... that Fletcher's first choice was Barry Trotz. I am not making anything up.

25!
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Too bad Montreal is a bad team or his 25 goals might mean something.

Frost is a center, not a winger. There is no penchant for bad turnovers. Frost has 6 giveaways at 5 on 5 for the season. Frost has played well all season. Last game, his line was dominant against the Caps.
- MJL

Is his line dominant .. or just his line mates? When Tippet is on he makes everyone around him look a lot better. If Frost is not a 1C or 2C he does not have a future at center on the Flyers.

25!
- THE EVIL WITHIN

He definitely is a scorer.
Hockey is ultimate team sport significantly more than other games. Does his scoring improve his team? Modern hockey has a very little tolerance to one-dimensional players, does he play well in other aspects of the game?
Yes, he is a shiny toy, but he is not our shiny toy, so what the point of constant reminders?

Too bad Montreal is a bad team or his 25 goals might mean something.
- WhiskeyMan

Does that go for TK too?

This JOB pick has really come full circle, he won’t be getting a contract, the 3 players after him all in the NHL, and the Rangers pick of Miller is turning into a stud Dman

It was widely reported at the time that Torts was not Fletcher's choice ... that Fletcher's first choice was Barry Trotz. I am not making anything up.
- jd250

There is no factual information that Fletcher did not want to hire Tortorella. You are calling speculation, fact. Just as you did yesterday calling a speculative article about trading Hayes as fact that there will be a trade market for Hayes at the deadline.

He definitely is a scorer.
Hockey is ultimate team sport significantly more than other games. Does his scoring improve his team? Modern hockey has a very little tolerance to one-dimensional players, does he play well in other aspects of the game?
Yes, he is a shiny toy, but he is not our shiny toy, so what the point of constant reminders?
- missingmike

I've seen some people post opinions that Konecny has only scored 24 goals this season because "who else is going to do it".

Looking at Montreal's lineup the same can be said of Caulfield. Considering he leads his team in goals (but not points) by 10.

Konecny leads by 11.

Either way it's a silly argument. Caulfield is the real deal. But Cam York is no slouch.

Is his line dominant .. or just his line mates? When Tippet is on he makes everyone around him look a lot better. If Frost is not a 1C or 2C he does not have a future at center on the Flyers.
- jd250

Watch the first 5 minutes of the Caps game where Frost has and creates 3 separate quality scoring chances. You tell me.

I've seen some people post opinions that Konecny has only scored 24 goals this season because "who else is going to do it".

Looking at Montreal's lineup the same can be said of Caulfield. Considering he leads his team in goals (but not points) by 10.

Konecny leads by 11.

Either way it's a silly argument. Caulfield is the real deal. But Cam York is no slouch.
- MBFlyerfan

It is and it makes zero sense.

This JOB pick has really come full circle, he won’t be getting a contract, the 3 players after him all in the NHL, and the Rangers pick of Miller is turning into a stud Dman
- ClaudeFather

Yeah, for sure a miss. But looking at those players mentioned, none of them are lighting the world on fire. And for that matter, none of the players drafted after him are what I would consider NHL plus players except Miller and maybe Sandin.

That being said, it is these kinds of "I'm smarter than everyone" picks that have doomed the Flyers in recent times.

Yeah, for sure a miss. But looking at those players mentioned, none of them are lighting the world on fire. And for that matter, none of the players drafted after him are what I would consider NHL plus players except Miller and maybe Sandin.

That being said, it is these kinds of "I'm smarter than everyone" picks that have doomed the Flyers in recent times.
- MBFlyerfan

Miller would be the best Defenseman on the Flyers

Miller would be the best Defenseman on the Flyers
- ClaudeFather

I think I agree. At least they were smart with the Farabee pick. #14 pick but 5th highest scorer from that draft.