He is stable. Look at his underlying metrics
- tomburton99

He's a -20 for his career. For a defensemen to be scored on that much, I'd pass.

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He's a -20 for his career. For a defensemen to be scored on that much, I'd pass.
- fish_hoof

Plus / minus isn't underlying metric. Columbus has bad for 3 years.

He's a -20 for his career. For a defensemen to be scored on that much, I'd pass.
- fish_hoof

I think he’s a hot commodity tho. Plus minus can be deceiving

I think they want a first rder which I’m not sure I’d do that however

Plus / minus isn't underlying metric. Columbus has bad for 3 years.
- tomburton99

If there is a comparable defensemen that has had a career of being a minus defensemen in their first 4 years, then became rock solid, I am open to seeing it.

If there is a comparable defensemen that has had a career of being a minus defensemen in their first 4 years, then became rock solid, I am open to seeing it.
- fish_hoof

See Dahlin, Rasmus.

For the record. Last time I was told someone sucked and was over the hill that person now leads all defensemen in pts
- Slimtj100

Imagine the Rangers acquired him and gave him that huge contract. Where would that put Fox, Lindgren, Chytil, etc? We'd be screwed.

Dallas probably can't afford him. next year. They would have to sign 6 other players with 5.1 million in cap space.
- tomburton99

I just can't imagine they'd be interested in anyone else on SJ's roster.

Regardless, I have to assume the Islanders are the ones with much more motivation to land Meier (between those two teams, anyway)

See Dahlin, Rasmus.
- JRR1285

well played good sir... well played.

See Dahlin, Rasmus.
- JRR1285

Guys like Dahlin give me hope for Laf. I know it’s completely different situation and position obviously. But he was pretty awful last few years and then he finally got it this year. Patience. I’m sure the Sabre fans wanted him sent out of town too at some point

I just can't imagine they'd be interested in anyone else on SJ's roster.

Regardless, I have to assume the Islanders are the ones with much more motivation to land Meier (between those two teams, anyway)
- eichiefs9

I agree with this.

If there is a comparable defensemen that has had a career of being a minus defensemen in their first 4 years, then became rock solid, I am open to seeing it.
- fish_hoof

+/- is a terrible metric to judge anyone on. He's played on a dog shit team with dog shit goaltending and even more dog shit scoring over the last four seasons

If there is a comparable defensemen that has had a career of being a minus defensemen in their first 4 years, then became rock solid, I am open to seeing it.
- fish_hoof

I think its all relevant to the team he's on, take last year, he played 80 games and was a -3

Werenski played 68 games and was a -15

Boqvist played 52 games and was a -11

their goalies were terrible, both over 3 GAA

a -3 on that team was probably good

well played good sir... well played.
- fish_hoof

What I am getting at and like others have said, Buffalo and Columbus are bad and have been bad for some time. Dahlin is an elite player compared to Gavrikov and still has had minus years until this year where he finally looks like an elite player.

Gavrikov could be a long term solution here, especially if they part ways with Lindgren at some point.

For the record. Last time I was told someone sucked and was over the hill that person now leads all defensemen in pts
- Slimtj100

There is no defending our hard ons for Karlsson. Please stop.

Guys like Dahlin give me hope for Laf. I know it’s completely different situation and position obviously. But he was pretty awful last few years and then he finally got it this year. Patience. I’m sure the Sabre fans wanted him sent out of town too at some point
- Slimtj100

Imo, Laf will never be a dynamic player like I think most people thought. I don't want the Rangers to get rid of him. I think he could be a good top six player.

Imagine the Rangers acquired him and gave him that huge contract. Where would that put Fox, Lindgren, Chytil, etc? We'd be screwed.
- Fenrir

What I am getting at and like others have said, Buffalo and Columbus are bad and have been bad for some time. Dahlin is an elite player compared to Gavrikov and still has had minus years until this year where he finally looks like an elite player.

Gavrikov could be a long term solution here, especially if they part ways with Lindgren at some point.
- JRR1285

Johnny Gaudreau was a +64 last year in Calgary

he's a -16 this year in Columbus

thats cray cray

Imagine the Rangers acquired him and gave him that huge contract. Where would that put Fox, Lindgren, Chytil, etc? We'd be screwed.
- Fenrir

I know just busing some chops. But at the time, to be fair, I didn’t think he’d get THAT much. I don’t regret we don’t have him believe me. Just comparing Kane to him. These kinds of guys don’t lose it in one or two years

+/- is a terrible metric to judge anyone on. He's played on a dog shit team with dog shit goaltending and even more dog shit scoring over the last four seasons
- eichiefs9

Spit that hot fire Chiefs!

Imo, Laf will never be a dynamic player like I think most people thought. I don't want the Rangers to get rid of him. I think he could be a good top six player.
- mdw7413

I still think it is too early to tell. While he should have shown more flashes he has been completely blocked by veterans. We need to see him show something with Kreider down. I am starting to run out of optimism.

Johnny Gaudreau was a +64 last year in Calgary

he's a -16 this year in Columbus

thats cray cray
- jimbro83

It certainly is. Imagine choosing to sign a contract in Ohio. Calgary must be pretty bad.

I know just busing some chops. But at the time, to be fair, I didn’t think he’d get THAT much. I don’t regret we don’t have him believe me. Just comparing Kane to him. These kinds of guys don’t lose it in one or two years
- Slimtj100

I agree on that end. Once Karlsson inked that deal I was like: "Thank (frank)ing christ that wasn't the Rangers".

There is no defending our hard ons for Karlsson. Please stop.
- JRR1285

You’re dead to me 😔

I still think it is too early to tell. While he should have shown more flashes he has been completely blocked by veterans. We need to see him show something with Kreider down. I am starting to run out of optimism.
- JRR1285

shooting percentage 7.1% this year

after being 17% his first two years

he's also only had 247 shots on goal in 176 career games

he doesnt shoot enough