It's going to be more like 6.5M to re-sign or replace players that need to be re-signed after re-signing Pasternak
- MJL

you think pasta is getting 14 mil?

Not what I was referring to. 11M for Pasternak is probably ball park.
- MJL

again...you're paying role players to play on a good team. players resigning will not take the same amount. i.e. craig smith. not getting the same deal he had before. foligno's money goes to pasta. frederic 1.1 bergeron and krecji if they want to stay will be similar. other role player from 750,000 to 1.1.

entire d corps returning. just need swayman as backup but is an rfa so shouldn't be hard.

They aren't in any cap trouble.

almost 22 mil opens this offseason with one notable player in pastrnak to sign
- Peter Richards

Correct, the Bruins have plenty of cap space to fit a middling salary.

Yeah, it wouldn't shock me if he gets paid more than what everyone expects. He could score 60 this year and what a year to do it.
- TobyFlenderson

Don't underestimate Don Sweeny. Somehow he gets players to take on team friendly contracts to stay in Boston. I would not be surprised to see Pastrnak sign for what might be considered a team friendly deal.

you think pasta is getting 14 mil?
- Peter Richards

In the open market you never know, it depends on how much the cap is increased. But like I said, Sweeny has a knack for getting players to sign for less to stay in Boston. Then again, if the Bruins win the cup this year (God help us all if that happens, it will be worse than the apocalypse) Pasta might decide to follow the money since he has his cup.

The fact that this has dragged out this long does leave a real possibility that Pasta does not resign in Boston, which is dangerous for the Bruins since this a cup year, so there is no way the Bruins are trading Pasta at the deadline, so there is even a chance he walks away and the Bruins get nothing in return.

Don't underestimate Don Sweeny. Somehow he gets players to take on team friendly contracts to stay in Boston. I would not be surprised to see Pastrnak sign for what might be considered a team friendly deal.
- jd250

This is where Lou on the isle is great as well. But, when you have a team that is competitive, good atmosphere to live, hockey town....well that is a destination a lot of players will seek out.

Correct, the Bruins have plenty of cap space to fit a middling salary.
- jd250

No they don't. Always have to deal with a certain amount of ignorance on HB from certain sources who are uninformed.

As of now, the Bruins will have 21.8M of available cap space for next season. They have to re-sign or replace 10 players. In order to paint an accurate picture of a team's cap picture, some speculation is involved.

Re-signing Pasternak to a deal worth 11M a year, leaves 10.8M in cap space.

Minus the 4.5M in bonus overage penalties for the contracts of Bergeron and Krejci for this year, leaves them with 6.3M of available cap space. To re-sign or replace 9 players. That is an average of 700K per player. NHL minimum salary this season is 750K

How do they add Hayes at even 50% retained at 3.57M?

Like I stated previously, the Bruins cap picture is very tight for next season.

In the open market you never know, it depends on how much the cap is increased. But like I said, Sweeny has a knack for getting players to sign for less to stay in Boston. Then again, if the Bruins win the cup this year (God help us all if that happens, it will be worse than the apocalypse) Pasta might decide to follow the money since he has his cup.

The fact that this has dragged out this long does leave a real possibility that Pasta does not resign in Boston, which is dangerous for the Bruins since this a cup year, so there is no way the Bruins are trading Pasta at the deadline, so there is even a chance he walks away and the Bruins get nothing in return.
- jd250

well this year, mcdavid is making 12.5 mil. this is just over 15% of the cap space used.

I see pasta getting from 10-12 mil.

Pastrnak probably signs for half of that space. Then they have about $11 mil to re-sign Bergeron, Krejci (if they don't retire) and Foligno (who they could move on from). Clifton is probably due for a raise. And then Swayman and Frederic are RFAs due for raises. Probably not space to fit Kevin Hayes when all is said and done
- TobyFlenderson

He is from Boston - they will move heaven and earth to acquire him

No they don't. Always have to deal with a certain amount of ignorance on HB from certain sources who are uninformed.

As of now, the Bruins will have 21.8M of available cap space for next season. They have to re-sign or replace 10 players. In order to paint an accurate picture of a team's cap picture, some speculation is involved.

Re-signing Pasternak to a deal worth 11M a year, leaves 10.8M in cap space.

Minus the 4.5M in bonus overage penalties for the contracts of Bergeron and Krejci for this year, leaves them with 6.3M of available cap space. To re-sign or replace 9 players. That is an average of 700K per player.

How do they add Hayes at even 50% retained at 3.57M?
- MJL

trades, ltir. the point is if they wanted too they could. its all speculation right now.

He is from Boston - they will move heaven and earth to acquire him
- corduroy

It's the land of pixie dust and fairy tales here on HB. Just make some trades and use LTIR. As long as that is available, a team is never in a tight cap situation. Never mind that by definition a team using LTIR is over the upper limit.


There is a difference between pie in the sky wild speculation and speculation formed using facts known.

He is from Boston - they will move heaven and earth to acquire him
- corduroy

LMAO it is all their role players. won't take that much to fill out their roster. Patrice and krecji add up to 3.5 mil. look at the other players they have to resign or replace. the core besides this is filled out. minus pasta
- Peter Richards

They will need a 1st and 2nd line center. No guarantees Krecji and Bergeron come back again. Bergeron was pretty close to retiring this year. They will have some holes to fill and that gets sucked up fast.

It's the land of pixie dust and fairy tales here on HB. Just make some trades and use LTIR. As long as that is available, a team is never in a tight cap situation. Never mind that by definition a team using LTIR is over the upper limit.


There is a difference between pie in the sky wild speculation and speculation formed using facts known.
- MJL

The only thing I will say is they will be cap compliant with a full roster come start of the season. How good that roster will be or look remains to be seen.

I think you're closer to being right that it will be a tight fit cap wise. I am unsure if they can get another year of a 1st line center and 2nd line center for 3.5 million in cap AND have them both perform upto their positions.

The only thing I will say is they will be cap compliant with a full roster come start of the season. How good that roster will be or look remains to be seen.

I think you're closer to being right that it will be a tight fit cap wise. I am unsure if they can get another year of a 1st line center and 2nd line center for 3.5 million in cap AND have them both perform upto their positions.
- Aaron_85

That's part of what everyone is overlooking. The Bruins use of the bonus cushion for Bergeron and Krejci. Bergeron's contract is not 2.5M, it's 5M and Krejci's is not 1M, it's 3M. The Bruins unless they miraculously somehow get under the upper limit at the end of this season and can fit some of the bonus overages in, they will be carrying a 4.5M penalty on the cap next season for Bergeron and Krejci. On top of having to re-sign Pasternak and re-sign or replace 10 other players. It will be tight without a doubt. Half the league is in LTIR this season. With the cap only projected to go up 1M next season, things will be tight all over. If the players escrow is completely paid back, which it's not projected to do, it could go up 4M and thing's change some,

It's the land of pixie dust and fairy tales here on HB. Just make some trades and use LTIR. As long as that is available, a team is never in a tight cap situation. Never mind that by definition a team using LTIR is over the upper limit.


There is a difference between pie in the sky wild speculation and speculation formed using facts known.
- MJL

LTIR may just be to get cap compliant. which boston was earlier this year, but now have someone on ltir. but key word is still complaint with the cap.

but if a player is on ltir, then he doesn't count against the cap. Otherwise half the league right now is in violation.

firy dust....we weren't discussing how macdavid and matthews are being traded here. all just speculation there.


also more speculation. what if bergeron and krejci waited to sign and start until the season was under way???

The cap was instituted in 2005 and it's now 2023 and there is still a belief that players placed on LTIR don't count against the cap. That is false. A player placed on LTIR counts against the cap the same as every other player does. A statement was made that the Bruins cap situation will be tight next year. A statement was not made that they would not be cap compliant. If a team is in LTIR, they are not only in a tight cap situation but they are spending over the upper limit by definition. Yet some respond with LMAO when the facts are presented.

The cap was instituted in 2005 and it's now 2023 and there is still a belief that players placed on LTIR don't count against the cap. That is false. A player placed on LTIR counts against the cap the same as every other player does. A statement was made that the Bruins cap situation will be tight next year. A statement was not made that they would not be cap compliant. If a team is in LTIR, they are not only in a tight cap situation but they are spending over the upper limit by definition. Yet some respond with LMAO when the facts are presented.
- MJL

but a team placing a player on ltir can create or have cap space, no?

LTIR may just be to get cap compliant. which boston was earlier this year, but now have someone on ltir. but key word is still complaint with the cap.

but if a player is on ltir, then he doesn't count against the cap. Otherwise half the league right now is in violation.

firy dust....we weren't discussing how macdavid and matthews are being traded here. all just speculation there.


also more speculation. what if bergeron and krejci waited to sign and start until the season was under way???
- Peter Richards

The cap hit goes up if they sign after the start of the season. No circumventing the rules. Here's Capfriendly's explanation.

How is the cap hit calculated for one year contracts signed after the start of the season?
If a player is signed to a one year contract after the start of the NHL season, that contract is subject to a unique cap hit calculation.

A notable aspect of the calculation is that the cap hit value is increased.

The cap hit is calculated as follows:
Cap hit = Signing bonus × total season days / season days remaining + base salary

Example:
Brogan Rafferty of the Vancouver Canucks signed a one year ELC on April 2, 2019. The contract has a base salary of $832,500, a signing bonus of $92,500, and there were 4 days remaining in the 186 day season:
Cap hit = $92,500 × 186 / 4 + $832,500
Cap hit: $5,133,750

but a team placing a player on ltir can create or have cap space, no?
- Peter Richards

If the cap is say 10,000,000 you'd have to be at or as near as possible to create "room" using LTIR pool by placing a player on LTIR. If you're at 9,950,000 and you had a player making 1,000,000 then you'd get 950,000 of LTIR pool space. However, you'd need to ensure you're at or under the cap to bring the player off LTIR. It doesn't really create space.

Example, this year the leafs had to start with 20 or 21 players on the 23 man roster at the start of the season because they had to bury some money in the minors to fit under the cap. Some injuries happened which allowed some fluctuation and grant them calling up a couple guys.

That's part of what everyone is overlooking. The Bruins use of the bonus cushion for Bergeron and Krejci. Bergeron's contract is not 2.5M, it's 5M and Krejci's is not 1M, it's 3M. The Bruins unless they miraculously somehow get under the upper limit at the end of this season and can fit some of the bonus overages in, they will be carrying a 4.5M penalty on the cap next season for Bergeron and Krejci. On top of having to re-sign Pasternak and re-sign or replace 10 other players. It will be tight without a doubt. Half the league is in LTIR this season. With the cap only projected to go up 1M next season, things will be tight all over. If the players escrow is completely paid back, which it's not projected to do, it could go up 4M and thing's change some,
- MJL

I don't know if you can split bonus cap hits to the cap. I think it's one year or the other. Now they could potentially split Bergeron next year and Krejci this year but I don't think you can split a players 50% this season and 50% next year.

If the cap is say 10,000,000 you'd have to be at or as near as possible to create "room" using LTIR pool by placing a player on LTIR. If you're at 9,950,000 and you had a player making 1,000,000 then you'd get 950,000 of LTIR pool space. However, you'd need to ensure you're at or under the cap to bring the player off LTIR. It doesn't really create space.

Example, this year the leafs had to start with 20 or 21 players on the 23 man roster at the start of the season because they had to bury some money in the minors to fit under the cap. Some injuries happened which allowed some fluctuation and grant them calling up a couple guys.
- Aaron_85

unless it is after the season...i.e. kucherov and tampa

unless it is after the season...i.e. kucherov and tampa
- Peter Richards

Correct. Not likely but possible I guess.

I don't know if you can split bonus cap hits to the cap. I think it's one year or the other. Now they could potentially split Bergeron next year and Krejci this year but I don't think you can split a players 50% this season and 50% next year.
- Aaron_85

Trust me, how I explained it is how it works. Using the bonus cushion, performance bonuses are applied after the regular season is over. Any performance bonuses earned, can either fit in the current season if the team is under the upper limit, or carry over to the next season. The Bruins likely won't be under the upper limit and both Bergeron and Krejci will meet the metrics for the bonuses.

They will need a 1st and 2nd line center. No guarantees Krecji and Bergeron come back again. Bergeron was pretty close to retiring this year. They will have some holes to fill and that gets sucked up fast.
- Aaron_85

Yes, the Bruins will need help at center and will want some experience there, especially since they have nothing, and I mean nothing, coming up in their system. A player like Hayes at roughly $4M per season for 3 years is good value for the Bruins and an opportunity for Hayes to play for his home town team, which is brother was also able to do. All I am saying is its a potential fit for the player and the team and thus is a possibility. Whether Boston or another team, Hayes is not going to be in Philly next season, you can pretty much bank on that, and the Flyers will not have to sweeten the pot to trade Hayes other than to cover salary. Bookmark it Corduroy!