"If" Laughton gets traded then there is a glimmer of hope the team is taking the right path to eventually getting back to being a true contender. On a top 4 team, Laughton is a 3rd or 4th liner. The likelihood of the Flyers even competing for a top 4 spot over the next 2 seasons is remote. At that point TK and Provy will be UFAs. I agree Laughton's value will be at is highest right now. "If" Coots returns and Gauthier is in the NHL next season, Laughton's usage will dramatically change. As others, I do not feel they have any intention to trade him. Ashame
- Trox88

You think he’s worth the most right now? You think teams are lining up to get a third/fourth liner on their books for 4 more years at $3M? I think Laughton is a good player and there is a market for him but I’m not sure the list of teams is long

You think he’s worth the most right now? You think teams are lining up to get a third/fourth liner on their books for 4 more years at $3M? I think Laughton is a good player and there is a market for him but I’m not sure the list of teams is long
- ClaudeFather

For a cup contender he is the type of player they like to get for a stretch run. On the cheap side, can play anywhere in the lineup. Can play a physical game. Kills penalties.

He is also cost controlled so you have him for a couple years too.

Hayes wasn't on the ice for the 2nd Jets goal. It was the Farabee-Cates-Konecny line and Sanheim-DeAngelo pair. On the play, all three forwards and Sanheim were below the dots and Farabee's attempting centering pass missed the mark and resulted in a 2-on-1.

Hayes was on the ice for the third: the one where DeAngelo chased Ehlers all the way around the net (needlessly, because Sanheim had the other side covered) and Scheifele was all alone at the back door. Hayes had a potential scoring chance at the other net. I agree that it took him a long time to get back but the goal was scored on the DeAngelo (and Allison) side of the ice. Also TBF it was a pretty long shift.

Hayes' other two minuses came from being on the ice for the Kuhlman dribbler on the GWG and then ENG. Hard to blame Hayes.

Thought he had a good overall game last night.
- bmeltzer

The numbers paint a different story. They say Hayes and his linemates did not have a good night at 5 on 5.

I thought De Angelo has a terrible night defensively.
That 4th goal Sandstorm gave up was not a good goal. Very soft.
- Buzzo

that's what Torts said about Sanstrom pre-game, he has to find a way to not let up that one bad goal, and unfortunately last night he was not able to do it. Its a shame because in the 2nd I thought Sandstrom kept the Flyers in the game with some great saves.

The numbers paint a different story. They say Hayes and his linemates did not have a good night at 5 on 5.
- MJL

But is that on Hayes or his linemates? That is the problem with looking at these numbers, because one screw up by any one player hurts everyone on the line.

The numbers paint a different story. They say Hayes and his linemates did not have a good night at 5 on 5.
- MJL

if the spreadsheet said you had a bad then you had a bad game.

For a cup contender he is the type of player they like to get for a stretch run. On the cheap side, can play anywhere in the lineup. Can play a physical game. Kills penalties.

He is also cost controlled so you have him for a couple years too.
- J35Bacher

Would be better if he was an expiring deal or 1 additional year. His contract is pretty long, $3M cap hit for bottom 6 is pretty big. Nick Paul in Tampa makes that and I’d argue he’s the better player

But is that on Hayes or his linemates? That is the problem with looking at these numbers, because one screw up by any one player hurts everyone on the line.
- jd250

In last night's game, 5v5 Hayes had a xGF of .33 and xGA of .92 which comes out to a -59% which is bad. On the flip side, Risto 5v5 last night had xGF 0.48 and a xGA of 0.2 for a +28% which is really good. But overall you are correct, by the numbers Hayes did not have a good 5v5 game.

The numbers paint a different story. They say Hayes and his linemates did not have a good night at 5 on 5.
- MJL

The numbers also said the Flyers were better than Chicago by a pretty wide margin the other night. They weren't.

https://www.naturalstattr...eason=20222023&game=20719

Had a discussion about that in the pressbox last night. Someone said the Flyers could get peak value right now for Laughton -- having a career year, moderate cap hit, term remaining and still 28 years old, highly respected leaguewide -- but they also know that Tortorella loves the player and management already once opted to extend him rather than trade him when he was an impending UFA drawing multiple offers.

I personally don't think it will happen. But was worthy of discussion. I brought it up on Flyers Daily. That's definitely a player they'd get competing bids on at full value because of the cap/term and the year he's having.
- bmeltzer

At the beginning of the season, my three players not on expiring contracts to deal were Cam Atkinson, Scott Laughton and Travis Konency. Obviously things change as well as mindsets. Not only should Konency stay, I wish he and Provorov were wearing letters. As for Laughton, I’m not saying they should shop him as much as I think Fletcher should keep his ears wide open.

But is that on Hayes or his linemates? That is the problem with looking at these numbers, because one screw up by any one player hurts everyone on the line.
- jd250

I’m getting tired of hearing about “the numbers”. If a player isn’t constantly turning over the puck and not directly responsible for a goal again most nights, chances are they’re playing well.

I just finished watching “That 90’s Show”. It reminded me of a time where you could talk sports, who is doing what and not concerning ourselves with percentages. If you get FaceTime with me and talk sports and pull out your phone, I’m gonna slap it out of your game.

You think he’s worth the most right now? You think teams are lining up to get a third/fourth liner on their books for 4 more years at $3M? I think Laughton is a good player and there is a market for him but I’m not sure the list of teams is long
- ClaudeFather

Yes, I think his value will be the highest right now then at any point in the future. Hypothetically, will his value be higher in the last year of his deal even considering the cap higher. He will be 31 and it would be surprising to see him get PP1 minutes to help boost his stats. This year he has 5 PPGs, I think. Hopefully, his injury history does not get worse. So what about other years where there is less term left on the contract. Same usage concerns still are there. As far as compensation, I do not believe you can get a 1st rd pick now or anytime in the future for Laughton.

Yes, I will be the highest now then at any point in the future. Hypothetically, will his value be higher in the last year of his deal even considering the cap higher. He will be 31 and it would be surprising to see him get PP1 minutes to help boost his stats. This year he has 5 PPGs, I think. Hopefully, his injury history does not get worse. So what about other years where there is less term left on the contract. Same usage concerns still are there. As far as compensation, I do not believe you can get a 1st rd pick now or anytime in the future for Laughton.
- Trox88

Other teams will be well aware of his usage and PP points adding to totals. I don’t see many teams lining up to add a bottom 6 player for 4 more years at $3M.

Yes, I think his value will be the highest right now then at any point in the future. Hypothetically, will his value be higher in the last year of his deal even considering the cap higher. He will be 31 and it would be surprising to see him get PP1 minutes to help boost his stats. This year he has 5 PPGs, I think. Hopefully, his injury history does not get worse. So what about other years where there is less term left on the contract. Same usage concerns still are there. As far as compensation, I do not believe you can get a 1st rd pick now or anytime in the future for Laughton.
- Trox88

It isn't that outlandish. Add a pick or prospect with Laughton becomes more palatable.

look at what goodrow, coleman and the like have got recently. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder lol

Other teams will be well aware of his usage and PP points adding to totals. I don’t see many teams lining up to add a bottom 6 player for 4 more years at $3M.
- ClaudeFather

And that's fine, but I was responding whether his trade value is at its highest now or some time later during the length of the contract. I do not believe there will be a crazy bidding war for Scott Laughton. However, trading Laughton now for an asset which could potentially help the rebuild is the question. Of course, the main issue is the organization recognizing a rebuild is necessary.

And that's fine, but I was responding whether his trade value is at its highest now or some time later during the length of the contract. I do not believe there will be a crazy bidding war for Scott Laughton. However, trading Laughton now for an asset which could potentially help the rebuild is the question. Of course, the main issue is the organization recognizing a rebuild is necessary.
- Trox88

Laughton would be a player a contender would have for multiple seasons at a moderate cost, can play C or W with equal comfort and can be plugged just about anywhere in the lineup even if you need to move him in case of injuries. That would have a lot of value. From the Flyers standpoint, they'd be trading from strength rather than from weakness or at rental cost.

I don't think the Flyers will do it unless they get some insane offer. But he is an example of a non-UFA on the Flyers who'd draw several offers if made available.

Laughton would be a player a contender would have for multiple seasons at a moderate cost, can play C or W with equal comfort and can be plugged just about anywhere in the lineup even if you need to move him in case of injuries. That would have a lot of value. From the Flyers standpoint, they'd be trading from strength rather than from weakness or at rental cost.

I don't think the Flyers will do it unless they get some insane offer. But he is an example of a non-UFA on the Flyers who'd draw several offers if made available.
- bmeltzer

As many are aware the Flyer have zero vision to make this kind of trade. Looking forward to Laughton at age 31 or 32 get a 5 year deal from the Flyers when his current deal is up lol.

Also how much pull does 'torts now have? Chuck let AV walk all over him, is this the same scenario?

Laughton would be a player a contender would have for multiple seasons at a moderate cost, can play C or W with equal comfort and can be plugged just about anywhere in the lineup even if you need to move him in case of injuries. That would have a lot of value. From the Flyers standpoint, they'd be trading from strength rather than from weakness or at rental cost.

I don't think the Flyers will do it unless they get some insane offer. But he is an example of a non-UFA on the Flyers who'd draw several offers if made available.
- bmeltzer

Current cap situation is not great for a potential fourth line guy to make $3M. You have to take this into consideration when talking about a contender adding him. Toronto can’t do it. Tampa can’t do it. Boston has a ton of things to sort out next year which takes them probably out of the runnings. The AVs are a mess.

Laughton would be a player a contender would have for multiple seasons at a moderate cost, can play C or W with equal comfort and can be plugged just about anywhere in the lineup even if you need to move him in case of injuries. That would have a lot of value. From the Flyers standpoint, they'd be trading from strength rather than from weakness or at rental cost.

I don't think the Flyers will do it unless they get some insane offer. But he is an example of a non-UFA on the Flyers who'd draw several offers if made available.
- bmeltzer

Are we to assume an "insane offer" similiar to Coleman traded from NJ to TB? Just curious.

Are we to assume an "insane offer" similiar to Coleman traded from NJ to TB? Just curious.
- Trox88

Who’s realistically trading for him, people are just throwing out the word contender and not taking any other information into consideration

Had a discussion about that in the pressbox last night. Someone said the Flyers could get peak value right now for Laughton -- having a career year, moderate cap hit, term remaining and still 28 years old, highly respected leaguewide -- but they also know that Tortorella loves the player and management already once opted to extend him rather than trade him when he was an impending UFA drawing multiple offers.

I personally don't think it will happen. But was worthy of discussion. I brought it up on Flyers Daily. That's definitely a player they'd get competing bids on at full value because of the cap/term and the year he's having.
- bmeltzer

Bill, there were a lot of chatter about Provy being traded. Is there anything more to that?

Phil Myers for Laughton 😂😂😂

But is that on Hayes or his linemates? That is the problem with looking at these numbers, because one screw up by any one player hurts everyone on the line.
- jd250

That's why you look at them over the whole season.

Who’s realistically trading for him, people are just throwing out the word contender and not taking any other information into consideration
- ClaudeFather

I was curious to hear Bill's opinion of "insane offer". I find it an interesting discussion. Plenty of time to go back into dead horse topics like Hayes and DeAngelo.

Other teams will be well aware of his usage and PP points adding to totals. I don’t see many teams lining up to add a bottom 6 player for 4 more years at $3M.
- ClaudeFather

I wonder how many teams will be lining up to trade for a third pairing dman with 4 more years at $5.1m.