... and Laughton looks like he’s capable of a Selke like season in future seasons ahead.
- SuperSchennBros

Wut

Wut
- Tomahawk

😂 I didn’t want to say it

The numbers don't lie Bill. Sometimes the other team just has better puck luck such as with the 2 deflection goals where nobody on the Flyers really made a mistake. The puck just goes in.
- MJL

...which would indicate your numbers are misleading

Plenty of teams have their 1st in this draft, what teams would part with them? Kraken have 1st and 3 2nd's, good place to try and get your 2nd back. Bruins picking last, probably would move their 1st. The Canes lost Max P...

Should be plenty of dance partners to dance with.

Wut
- Tomahawk

You can read, right?

He’s a fairly cheap leader who plays and attempts to do things the right way. Despite his new found offensive prowess I don’t think other teams view him that way. He’s the type of guy that the Flyers probably view as a pretty good example of what it is to be a good pro….and they need guys like that to pass that along.
- landros 2

You might be right but he’s also playing on a bad team and one of the few bright spots on the team. If he’s on a better team and doing what he’s doing, you get much better production.

😂 I didn’t want to say it
- ClaudeFather

What’s stopping you today?

Should the Flyers have any interest in Jesse Puljujarvi?

Should the Flyers have any interest in Jesse Puljujarvi?
- hello it's me 2050

Flyers will corner the market on Fins w/ incredible tools and no hockey sense.

You can read, right?
- SuperSchennBros

What about Scott Laughton makes you believe he's even within a country mile of Selke-caliber?

What about Scott Laughton makes you believe he's even within a country mile of Selke-caliber?


- Tomahawk

the logical answer is not a damn thing.

What about Scott Laughton makes you believe he's even within a country mile of Selke-caliber?


- Tomahawk

He’s playing in a key checking role. His offense is miles ahead than it’s been in past seasons. His career high is 32 and he has 28 points today, so I’m interested in seeing how Laughton’s season plays out because he’s by far having the best season he’s ever had.

He’s playing in a key checking role. His offense is miles ahead as than it normally has been in past seasons. His career high is 32 and he has 28 points today, so I’m interested in seeing how Laughton’s season plays out because he’s by far having the best season he’s ever had.
- SuperSchennBros

I'm not disqualifying him based on his point production.

It's his defensive play that's the problem. Hell of a competitor and allegedly full of intangibles... but he simply doesn't stop anybody defensively.

Flyers will corner the market on Fins w/ incredible tools and no hockey sense.
- Tomahawk

I know one more you can have free of charge.

Hell I’d give you a fourth to take him.

I'm not disqualifying him based on his point production.

It's his defensive play that's the problem. Hell of a competitor and allegedly full of intangibles... but he simply doesn't stop anybody defensively.
- Tomahawk

I wouldn’t go as far as saying he doesn’t stop anything defensively but I’m glad that your argument isn’t the offense because you could easily use John Madden to counter that argument. It’s possible I see more competitive prowess over actual defense but I’ve seen more potential in Laughton this year than past seasons.

I wouldn’t go as far as saying he doesn’t stop anything defensively but I’m glad that your argument isn’t the offense because you could easily use John Madden to counter that argument. It’s possible I see more competitive prowess over actual defense but I’ve seen more potential in Laughton this year than past seasons.
- SuperSchennBros

He ranks near the bottom amongst Flyers forwards in goals and scoring chances against rates this season... next to guys like Hayes, JVR and TK.

You can just imagine how far away he'd be from dudes like Barkov and Bergeron if we compared league-wide.

He ranks near the bottom amongst Flyers forwards in goals and scoring chances against rates this season... next to guys like Hayes, JVR and TK.

You can just imagine how far away he'd be from dudes like Barkov and Bergeron if we compared league-wide.
- Tomahawk

Like I said, he’s on a bad team. It’s also possible that the bar has been raised for the Selke award. When I started watching hockey, it wasn’t always first line centers considered for the award. Guy Carbonneau, Kris Draper and Jordan Staal were nominated and sometimes won. I’m talking guys who didn’t put up a lot of points and only had to focus on checking.

Like I said, he’s on a bad team.
- SuperSchennBros

You'd at least expect a good defensive player to rank near the top of their bad team tho right? Not be one of the worst culprits?

It’s also possible that the bar has been raised for the Selke award. When I started watching hockey, it wasn’t always first line centers considered for the award. Guy Carbonneau, Kris Draper and Jordan Staal were nominated and sometimes won.
- SuperSchennBros

The very idea of what it means to play defense has changed.

Denying the puck to your opponent beats any amount of grinding, hitting and shot blocking you can do while they have the puck. High FO%, high shot shares, high scoring chance shares... those are the things that measure strong defensive play these days.

Bergeron just came off a season with an expected goal ratio of 70/30, which is insane. He's just a little under that number again this season. He tilts the ice massively in the Bruins favor thru everything he does.

...which would indicate your numbers are misleading
- black_francis

You're constantly replying to me with inaccuracies and a lack of understanding of the context of the conversation. The two deflection goals are not from the game that I'm referring to concerning the numbers I referenced for Hayes.

You'd at least expect a good defensive player to rank near the top of their bad team tho right? Not be one of the worst culprits?



The very idea of what it means to play defense has changed.

Denying the puck to your opponent beats any amount of grinding, hitting and shot blocking you can do while they have the puck. High FO%, high shot shares, high scoring chance shares... those are the things that measure strong defensive play these days.

Bergeron just came off a season with an expected goal ratio of 70/30, which is insane. He's just a little under that number again this season. He tilts the ice massively in the Bruins favor thru everything he does.
- Tomahawk

Correct. In today's NHL, if you spend a lot of time defending, no matter how well you do it, you aren't good defensively. Quality defensive play is measured by defending a lot less, quickly ending opposition possessions and playing in the other teams end more.

You'd at least expect a good defensive player to rank near the top of their bad team tho right? Not be one of the worst culprits?



The very idea of what it means to play defense has changed.

Denying the puck to your opponent beats any amount of grinding, hitting and shot blocking you can do while they have the puck. High FO%, high shot shares, high scoring chance shares... those are the things that measure strong defensive play these days.

Bergeron just came off a season with an expected goal ratio of 70/30, which is insane. He's just a little under that number again this season. He tilts the ice massively in the Bruins favor thru everything he does.
- Tomahawk

You could say Patrice Bergeron has changed the way the two way center is viewed but it also helps he’s one of the best, if not the very best at the faceoff dot, not just a high rating. The fact of the matter is, not everyone can be Patrick Bergeron and the fact he was just considering retirement this past summer says to me, the standard may come down again. When Pavel Datsyuk was winning all his Selke trophies, I think a lot of it had to do with takeaways and the ability to control play once he stole the puck. These are huge advantages.

When Pavel Datsyuk was winning all his Selke trophies, I think a lot of it had to do with takeaways and the ability to control play once he stole the puck. These are huge advantages.
- SuperSchennBros

Yeah, Datsyuk was a possession monster too. Yzerman, Federov, and Lehtinen were all in that same vein as well. The paradigm really started to shift with the influx of Euro players and the game started being less about dump and chase and trading line rushes.

Madden was definitely an old school Selke pick. Everybody else who's won the award over the past 30 or so years have been guys who took ownership of the puck.

Yeah, Datsyuk was a possession monster too. Yzerman, Federov, and Lehtinen were all in that same vein as well. The paradigm really started to shift with the influx of Euro players and the game started being less about dump and chase and trading line rushes.

Madden was definitely an old school Selke pick. Everybody else who's won the award over the past 30 or so years have been guys who took ownership of the puck.
- Tomahawk

Mark stone, Barkov, Bergeron, and… Laughton 😂🤣

The reason why I hesitate to move Laughton right now is, we don’t know what the future holds for Sean Couturier and Laughton looks like he’s capable of a Selke like season in future seasons ahead.
- SuperSchennBros

OK, but i am more worried about the dead silence about Couturier. 3-4 months recovery was the estimate. It could be 3-4 years or a career end.

Yeah, Datsyuk was a possession monster too. Yzerman, Federov, and Lehtinen were all in that same vein as well. The paradigm really started to shift with the influx of Euro players and the game started being less about dump and chase and trading line rushes.

Madden was definitely an old school Selke pick. Everybody else who's won the award over the past 30 or so years have been guys who took ownership of the puck.
- Tomahawk

John Madden didn’t have a long career either. I believe Kris Draper may have been an old school chose as well.