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Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Feb 8 @ 3:36 PM ET
I'd think they'd be dollar in dollar out at this point with no first rounders
- Leafsmart


Maybe...but they don't have picks to really trade for top end talent so it's dollar in, dollar out for middling guys.
Tee-Dot
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: For being Stee's alternate personality or being associated with M. Night Shyamalan?
Joined: 12.11.2008

Feb 8 @ 3:49 PM ET
Maybe...but they don't have picks to really trade for top end talent so it's dollar in, dollar out for middling guys.
- Aaron_85

Is there an echo in here?
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Feb 8 @ 3:54 PM ET
Is there an echo in here?
- Tee-Dot

in your head?
Leaffrog
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.30.2018

Feb 8 @ 3:58 PM ET
Other than the usual suspects being mentioned (Meier, Domi, Kane etc...) who do you see as a real good add to the LW to bump Jarnkrok and or Bunting down.

I've started scouring the rosters of the teams likely to be sellers and was looking for a true left winger with size, toughness and a good shot.

If there is an add, is just skill enough, or should there be some size and willingness to be physical?

Any obscure names that haven't been bandied about much?

Is a 2LW the ideal, or a 3C with size a better option?

I do think this is the year Dubas swings for the fences by adding a top 6 winger or a 3C with size and a top 4 D.

Going deep has to happen sooner or later. Why not this year?

Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: “Give me Point, Cirelli and Paul all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 8 @ 4:01 PM ET


Mirtle's "going for it" projected roster.

Kinda meh about it to be honest.

- gravyface

I thought the main point of his article was to show how to make the $ work and that Dubas had cap flexibility. He was kind of going - kind decide between forward and D, ok do both. That said, the ROR example still underwhelms.

The reason for waiving Holmberg is that his approach requires getting to a roster of 20 and Pontus is waived exempt.

Overall, I find the approach of relying so much on a roster of 20 for an extended period when there are very few waiver exempt players a bit of a stretch.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Feb 8 @ 4:11 PM ET
I thought the main point of his article was to show how to make the $ work and that Dubas had cap flexibility. He was kind of going - kind decide between forward and D, ok do both. That said, the ROR example still underwhelms.

The reason for waiving Holmberg is that his approach requires getting to a roster of 20 and Pontus is waived exempt.

Overall, I find the approach of relying so much on a roster of 20 for an extended period when there are very few waiver exempt players a bit of a stretch.

- Canada Cup

this plan screams panic!

better just Tonya Harding Rielly and bring in a proper QB
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Space for Rent
Joined: 08.30.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:14 PM ET
I thought the main point of his article was to show how to make the $ work and that Dubas had cap flexibility. He was kind of going - kind decide between forward and D, ok do both. That said, the ROR example still underwhelms.

The reason for waiving Holmberg is that his approach requires getting to a roster of 20 and Pontus is waived exempt.

Overall, I find the approach of relying so much on a roster of 20 for an extended period when there are very few waiver exempt players a bit of a stretch.

- Canada Cup


the cap hit for ROR is 1.875, who's eating the rest of that cap and at what cost?

and McCabe at 2M cap hit which is half his cap hit. Why would Chicago do that - retain $$


the Leafs will also need to shed a contract to make this happen, who's will it be?


dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

Feb 8 @ 4:19 PM ET
Kyle Dubas does it every year. Leafs twitter speculates good names like Meier, Chychrun, Garland, Crouse. Then the pipe dream is shattered when Dubas acquires a rando fringe 10-goal scorer that everyone tries to convince themselves is good using poopty JFresh microstats…


Seriously I could read Leafers twatter all day & not be bored… it’s simply awesome.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:20 PM ET
It kills me to say this, but isn't Max Domi the obvious choice?

Left wing/centre gives us the versatility we need.

Price tag will be reasonable.

Adds grit.

You know he wants to play here.

And he can replace Bunting next year when Bunting signs with the Oilers for $8M X 7 years.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: “Give me Point, Cirelli and Paul all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 8 @ 4:28 PM ET
the cap hit for ROR is 1.875, who's eating the rest of that cap and at what cost?

and McCabe at 2M cap hit which is half his cap hit. Why would Chicago do that - retain $$


the Leafs will also need to shed a contract to make this happen, who's will it be?

- dmnted

Under his scenario, nobody leaves. He calculates that Dubas had $6M and something with Muzzin and Robertson on LTIR but that he’s been using a chunk of it carrying a 23 man roster. He figures when all is said and done, Kyle has about $5.1 to play with.

He doesn’t go into details on who retains and the cost. He does acknowledge someone(s) need to be paid to retain. The piece is more on the cap flexibility especially with trimming the roster and the ability to do it without moving out roster pieces.
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Feb 8 @ 4:29 PM ET
I thought the main point of his article was to show how to make the $ work and that Dubas had cap flexibility. He was kind of going - kind decide between forward and D, ok do both. That said, the ROR example still underwhelms.

The reason for waiving Holmberg is that his approach requires getting to a roster of 20 and Pontus is waived exempt.

Overall, I find the approach of relying so much on a roster of 20 for an extended period when there are very few waiver exempt players a bit of a stretch.

- Canada Cup


Right, but this "both" that's supposed to tick all the boxes doesn't really make us look that much better, if at all.

Knies in, Holmberg out? Really?

Break up our most reliable pairing in Gio and Holl for McCabe and Holl?

Sandin 7D?
underhill14
Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool
Joined: 06.02.2010

Feb 8 @ 4:29 PM ET


Mirtle's "going for it" projected roster.

Kinda meh about it to be honest.

- gravyface


ROR is a no for me. Seems like a Foligno redux.

Bunting, Matthews, Nylander
Domi, Tavares, Marner
Engvall, Kampf, Jarnkrok
McMann, The Pontus, ZAR

Soucy, Brodie
Rielly, Schenn
Gio, Lily
Sandin(Benn), Holl(Timmins)

Samsonov
Anderson

Domi + Soucy + Schenn = ~$6.5M = (Holl trade) or (Sandin trade) + Muzzin + Other LTIR, with a little change to spare without making a deal to retain on any player.


Win Cup!

You're Welcome!
underhill14
Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool
Joined: 06.02.2010

Feb 8 @ 4:30 PM ET
It kills me to say this, but isn't Max Domi the obvious choice?

Left wing/centre gives us the versatility we need.

Price tag will be reasonable.

Adds grit.

You know he wants to play here.

And he can replace Bunting next year when Bunting signs with the Oilers for $8M X 7 years.

- Atomic Wedgie

(frank)ing finally someone else besides me and Winnie (or is Mr.Sir or both).

100% YES!
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: “Give me Point, Cirelli and Paul all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 8 @ 4:30 PM ET
It kills me to say this, but isn't Max Domi the obvious choice?

Left wing/centre gives us the versatility we need.

Price tag will be reasonable.

Adds grit.

You know he wants to play here.

And he can replace Bunting next year when Bunting signs with the Oilers for $8M X 7 years.

- Atomic Wedgie

No. Don’t care if he’s cheap. There’s probably a reason.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Feb 8 @ 4:32 PM ET
the cap hit for ROR is 1.875, who's eating the rest of that cap and at what cost?

and McCabe at 2M cap hit which is half his cap hit. Why would Chicago do that - retain $$


the Leafs will also need to shed a contract to make this happen, who's will it be?

- dmnted


Plenty of bad teams with cap space.

CHI will be poop for the next few years and will need cap to hit the floor and will prefer a better return

Doesn't matter. Joey Anderson, Abramov, Kral, Gogolev.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:33 PM ET
(frank)ing finally someone else besides me and Winnie (or is Mr.Sir or both).

100% YES!

- underhill14

OK, I'm going to need you to tell Joey Anderson to give up #28.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: “Give me Point, Cirelli and Paul all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 8 @ 4:33 PM ET
Right, but this "both" that's supposed to tick all the boxes doesn't really make us look that much better, if at all.

Knies in, Holmberg out? Really?

Break up our most reliable pairing in Gio and Holl for McCabe and Holl?

Sandin 7D?

- gravyface

Like I say, I think the takeaway is that the $S are there. Plug in your own names. I’m more concerned about the assumption that you can get away with 20 skaters for 4-6 weeks.
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Space for Rent
Joined: 08.30.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:34 PM ET
Under his scenario, nobody leaves. He calculates that Dubas had $6M and something with Muzzin and Robertson on LTIR but that he’s been using a chunk of it carrying a 23 man roster. He figures when all is said and done, Kyle has about $5.1 to play with.

He doesn’t go into details on who retains and the cost. He does acknowledge someone(s) need to be paid to retain. The piece is more on the cap flexibility especially with trimming the roster and the ability to do it without moving out roster pieces.

- Canada Cup

gotcha
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Space for Rent
Joined: 08.30.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:38 PM ET
ROR is a no for me. Seems like a Foligno redux.

Bunting, Matthews, Nylander
Domi, Tavares, Marner
Engvall, Kampf, Jarnkrok
McMann, The Pontus, ZAR

Soucy, Brodie
Rielly, Schenn
Gio, Lily
Sandin(Benn), Holl(Timmins)

Samsonov
Anderson

Domi + Soucy + Schenn = ~$6.5M = (Holl trade) or (Sandin trade) + Muzzin + Other LTIR, with a little change to spare without making a deal to retain on any player.


Win Cup!

You're Welcome!

- underhill14

don't forget the Leafs are at 49 out of 50 contracts limit.
if the Leafs bring multiple contracts in, some contracts need to go out
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Space for Rent
Joined: 08.30.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:41 PM ET
OK, I'm going to need you to tell Joey Anderson to give up #28.
- Atomic Wedgie


a nice diner at the Ponderosa Steak house will will do the trick ah Ruth Chris ....
underhill14
Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool
Joined: 06.02.2010

Feb 8 @ 4:41 PM ET
OK, I'm going to need you to tell Joey Anderson to give up #28.
- Atomic Wedgie

Oh he will! The Dominator says so...dad and son will rip it off his Marlie-headed ass.
underhill14
Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool
Joined: 06.02.2010

Feb 8 @ 4:45 PM ET
don't forget the Leafs are at 49 out of 50 contracts limit.
if the Leafs bring multiple contracts in, some contracts need to go out

- dmnted

If Kyle is moving in players with jamm there are plenty of soft serves that can easily go out the other door.

Holl, Sandin, Mete, Benn, the Joey or Kerfoot. Pick 2.
Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON
Joined: 12.22.2014

Feb 8 @ 4:57 PM ET
ROR is a no for me. Seems like a Foligno redux.

Bunting, Matthews, Nylander
Domi, Tavares, Marner
Engvall, Kampf, Jarnkrok
McMann, The Pontus, ZAR

Soucy, Brodie
Rielly, Schenn
Gio, Lily
Sandin(Benn), Holl(Timmins)

Samsonov
Anderson

Domi + Soucy + Schenn = ~$6.5M = (Holl trade) or (Sandin trade) + Muzzin + Other LTIR, with a little change to spare without making a deal to retain on any player.


Win Cup!

You're Welcome!

- underhill14


I like your roster but Anderson as the back up to Sammy? I assume that was just a typo?
Procrastinator
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I’ll do it tomorrow
Joined: 01.02.2017

Feb 8 @ 6:06 PM ET
It kills me to say this, but isn't Max Domi the obvious choice?

Left wing/centre gives us the versatility we need.

Price tag will be reasonable.

Adds grit.

You know he wants to play here.

And he can replace Bunting next year when Bunting signs with the Oilers for $8M X 7 years.

- Atomic Wedgie

I don’t know much about Domi’s history as a person. If he’s not squeaky clean I doubt that Dubas trades for him.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: “Give me Point, Cirelli and Paul all day against anybody.” Mr. Cooper , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 8 @ 6:11 PM ET
I don’t know much about Domi’s history as a person. If he’s not squeaky clean I doubt that Dubas trades for him.
- Procrastinator

He seemed ok when he was 8.
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