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winsix
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Feb 11 @ 6:19 AM ET
It’s a franking masterpiece.
- Atomic Wedgie


Casablanca
Dr Strangelove
Army in the Shadows
All Quiet on the Western Front
Apocalypse Now
Dunkirk
La Grande Illusion

Were all pretty good.
Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm sick of your "I play real , NC
Joined: 07.11.2006

Feb 11 @ 7:51 AM ET
I am now watching A Bridge Too Far.

I am willing to entertain your your suggestions, but with the possible exceptions of the Dam Busters and Lawrence of Arabia, this is the best war movie of all time.

Comments?

- Atomic Wedgie

no particular order:

paths of glory

hell is for heroes

Gallipoli

The forgotten battle

Tae guk gi

Full metal jacket
Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm sick of your "I play real , NC
Joined: 07.11.2006

Feb 11 @ 7:51 AM ET
Casablanca
Dr Strangelove
Army in the Shadows
All Quiet on the Western Front
Apocalypse Now
Dunkirk
La Grande Illusion

Were all pretty good.

- winsix

the new all quiet is outstanding 👍
iTOLDu
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: MI
Joined: 10.26.2011

Feb 11 @ 8:38 AM ET
Can Knies play in the playoffs?
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 11 @ 8:49 AM ET
Can Knies play in the playoffs?
- iTOLDu

Yes, if he decides to sign. He’d likely have three regular season games after his college season ends. U of Minn is top ranked or one of top ranked teams and championship weekend goes until April 8 or something.
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Feb 11 @ 9:00 AM ET
Maybe the idea of trading for poon wasn't such a good one.
- Leafsmart

We can revisit this after today’s game
drexel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Who's the real Randy?, AB
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 11 @ 9:04 AM ET
Lol John Tory. Buh bye, richard head. Doug Ford, your next (frank)o.
- Zezel

I thought you liked liberals. Odd take.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 11 @ 9:26 AM ET
I thought you liked liberals. Odd take.
- drexel

So having an affair with an employee 31 years younger than you should only be judged on the basis of your party loyalty? And he was leader of the conservatives in Ontario but they weren’t conservative enough then
Strider
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.16.2013

Feb 11 @ 9:33 AM ET
So having an affair with an employee 31 years younger than you should only be judged on the basis of your party loyalty? And he was leader of the conservatives in Ontario but they weren’t conservative enough then
- Canada Cup


How about you and Zezel stop judging everyone and everything. A couple of insufferable jackasses who should just shut up.
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Feb 11 @ 9:44 AM ET
Ooh

Sens blog is accepting guest writers 🤔
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 11 @ 9:49 AM ET
How about you and Zezel stop judging everyone and everything. A couple of insufferable jackasses who should just shut up.
- Strider

Sorry, Drexel brings up his politics and I say his politics don’t matter if he’s having an affair with someone 31 years younger than him. He did the right thing and resigned. I don’t care what his politics are. Try to think it through slowly.
Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm sick of your "I play real , NC
Joined: 07.11.2006

Feb 11 @ 9:54 AM ET
Ooh

Sens blog is accepting guest writers 🤔

- mr.sir

let’s each do a blog exhorting them to trade for poon jenner👍
iTOLDu
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: MI
Joined: 10.26.2011

Feb 11 @ 10:00 AM ET
Yes, if he decides to sign. He’d likely have three regular season games after his college season ends. U of Minn is top ranked or one of top ranked teams and championship weekend goes until April 8 or something.
- Canada Cup


Why trade for a forward then? He looks like he can make that jump.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Feb 11 @ 10:30 AM ET
Lol John Tory. Buh bye, richard head. Doug Ford, your next (frank)o.
- Zezel

Lets hope
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Feb 11 @ 10:30 AM ET
Why trade for a forward then? He looks like he can make that jump.
- iTOLDu


The simple answer is that there's no guarantee he comes in and makes a difference. Most kids jumping up from NCAA have to be very special and ready to play at the pace of the NHL game. Some recent guys I can think of who have come up from the frozen four and how they fared in their late season additions:

Shane Pinto (12GP, 1G, 6A, +6)
Jacob Bernard-Docker (5GP, +2)
Nick Abruzzese (9GP, 1G, -1)
Cole Caulfield (10GP, 4G, 1A, -1 // 20GP in playoffs, 4G, 8A, -5)
Matt Kiersted (7GP, -4)
Dunne (6GP, -1)
Matty Beniers (10GP, 3G. 6A. -1)
Bobby Brink (10GP, 4A, -5)
Jack McBain (10GP, 2G, 1A, -6)
Jordan Harris (10GP, 1G, +3)

We all saw Abruzzese first-hand here and he did look out of place. I mean he was probably no different than Jimmy Vesey - smallish, non-impactful - just sort of there. He wasn't really a liability, but he sure wasn't contributing anything.

Caufield had an inauspicious debut, but you could see his talent and shot and you could also tell he belonged in the NHL because he was getting better and adapting as the games progressed for him.

Matty Beniers is a special player - and was drafted 2nd overall because of it, and he was a difference maker for the Kraken in his audition. That said, how would most of these guys fare over a long playoff run? I mean it's 50 games into this season, so it's not apples:apples, but Beniers had a solid first 20 games with 18 points, and in the 30 games since he has 16. The difference there - I think - is that the first 20 games are looser and fewer teams were taking Seattle seriously. I don't see them often, and I've done absolutely no analysis on them - so I'm throwing that out as mere speculation. But Seattle has lost 5 of their last 7 and 7 of their last 10, so things are definitely getting harder for them.

The point is that if Knies can come in and be a difference maker and belong in the NHL it would be like pennies from heaven, but the odds of it happening are incredibly small so it's best to hedge that bet.


Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Feb 11 @ 10:31 AM ET
It’s a franking masterpiece.
- Atomic Wedgie

Das Boot
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Feb 11 @ 10:35 AM ET
I thought you liked liberals. Odd take.
- drexel

He used to lead the con party of ontario, but he wasn't corrupt enough hence the overweight sack of crap american wannabe they have now.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 11 @ 10:42 AM ET
The simple answer is that there's no guarantee he comes in and makes a difference. Most kids jumping up from NCAA have to be very special and ready to play at the pace of the NHL game. Some recent guys I can think of who have come up from the frozen four and how they fared in their late season additions:

Shane Pinto (12GP, 1G, 6A, +6)
Jacob Bernard-Docker (5GP, +2)
Nick Abruzzese (9GP, 1G, -1)
Cole Caulfield (10GP, 4G, 1A, -1 // 20GP in playoffs, 4G, 8A, -5)
Matt Kiersted (7GP, -4)
Dunne (6GP, -1)
Matty Beniers (10GP, 3G. 6A. -1)
Bobby Brink (10GP, 4A, -5)
Jack McBain (10GP, 2G, 1A, -6)
Jordan Harris (10GP, 1G, +3)

We all saw Abruzzese first-hand here and he did look out of place. I mean he was probably no different than Jimmy Vesey - smallish, non-impactful - just sort of there. He wasn't really a liability, but he sure wasn't contributing anything.

Caufield had an inauspicious debut, but you could see his talent and shot and you could also tell he belonged in the NHL because he was getting better and adapting as the games progressed for him.

Matty Beniers is a special player - and was drafted 2nd overall because of it, and he was a difference maker for the Kraken in his audition. That said, how would most of these guys fare over a long playoff run? I mean it's 50 games into this season, so it's not apples:apples, but Beniers had a solid first 20 games with 18 points, and in the 30 games since he has 16. The difference there - I think - is that the first 20 games are looser and fewer teams were taking Seattle seriously. I don't see them often, and I've done absolutely no analysis on them - so I'm throwing that out as mere speculation. But Seattle has lost 5 of their last 7 and 7 of their last 10, so things are definitely getting harder for them.

The point is that if Knies can come in and be a difference maker and belong in the NHL it would be like pennies from heaven, but the odds of it happening are incredibly small so it's best to hedge that bet.

- Monkeypunk


Nice. The idea that they could count on him to be a top six guy is a stretch. Playing down the lineup might be possible but what does their bottom six look like if they bring a guy in and Jarnkrok gets bumped down, etc. Anyway, no limit on roster size in playoffs so always possible he shows up.
DrunkenCanuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Check your PM, AB
Joined: 07.14.2009

Feb 11 @ 10:49 AM ET
Some guy (Pagnetti or something) saying Leafs and Canucks talking about a Myers trade
- Canada Cup


The ask is not particularly high from what is being speculated, he needs to go.

Open to offers, as is where is.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Cause y’know we’ll all be found | when I come around, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Feb 11 @ 10:59 AM ET
Leafs need to win at least a round or else Dubas is getting sacked.

So he needs to go all-in here.

He was lying when he said wouldn’t do that (he learned a thing or two from Lou) so i expect him to make a splash.

1. Miere. He’s too good to not go after.

2. Chychrun. Trade Rielly in the off-season.

3. Henrique. He would completely transform the bottom 6.
DrunkenCanuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Check your PM, AB
Joined: 07.14.2009

Feb 11 @ 11:02 AM ET
Leafs need to win at least a round or else Dubas is getting sacked.

So he needs to go all-in here.

He was lying when he said wouldn’t do that (he learned a thing or two from Lou) so i expect him to make a splash.

1. Miere. He’s too good to not go after.

2. Chychrun. Trade Rielly in the off-season.

3. Henrique. He would completely transform the bottom 6.

- Arctic_AARDVARK


Good to see you back AA.

A step in the right direction for this thread.
Leaffrog
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.30.2018

Feb 11 @ 11:03 AM ET
Nice. The idea that they could count on him to be a top six guy is a stretch. Playing down the lineup might be possible but what does their bottom six look like if they bring a guy in and Jarnkrok gets bumped down, etc. Anyway, no limit on roster size in playoffs so always possible he shows up.
- Canada Cup


Great post. Never thought about it that way. Knies' value appears to be as a top 6 impact player.

And what if you didn't trade him, but did land a difference maker on the top 2 lines?

Does he come in and play wing on the 4th line since Jarnkrok is now playing 3rd line?

How does that affect the depth question?

I like the idea really. He's big enough and physical enough to play bottom 6.

Allows to move out a 3rd or 4th liner while adding impact in the top 6.

It does seem though the Knies will be part of the ask for any decent top 6 winger.


Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Cause y’know we’ll all be found | when I come around, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

Feb 11 @ 11:06 AM ET
Good to see you back AA.

A step in the right direction for this thread.

- DrunkenCanuck

Hahah thanks.

But I’ll never be a regular here again.

The mods don’t do their jobs.

How’ve you been?
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 11 @ 11:16 AM ET
Great post. Never thought about it that way. Knies' value appears to be as a top 6 impact player.

And what if you didn't trade him, but did land a difference maker on the top 2 lines?

Does he come in and play wing on the 4th line since Jarnkrok is now playing 3rd line?

How does that affect the depth question?

I like the idea really. He's big enough and physical enough to play bottom 6.

Allows to move out a 3rd or 4th liner while adding impact in the top 6.

It does seem though the Knies will be part of the ask for any decent top 6 winger.

- Leaffrog


Obviously the big question is where the Leafs peg his upside versus what he might do if he plays at all this year. I think that’s why Dubas makes a point of differentiating between trading him for a rental or a guy with term.

Ideally, at some point, Knies becomes the kind of power forward they’re looking to trade for and for a while anyway, he’s much cheaper. BUT, maybe he doesn’t pan out. Dubas seems to be saying that he’s not willing to risk trading away that possibility for a rental but that he might for the right guy with term.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Feb 11 @ 11:17 AM ET
Hahah thanks.

But I’ll never be a regular here again.

The mods don’t do their jobs.

How’ve you been?

- Arctic_AARDVARK

Nah, they even let Drunken stay. Welcome back.
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