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Ryan O’Reilly, Tage Thompson and hockey’s ultimate win-win trade

BUFFALO, NY - APRIL 14: Tage Thompson #72 of the Buffalo Sabres skates against Ryan O'Reilly #90 of the St. Louis Blues during an NHL game on April 14, 2022 at KeyBank Center in Buffalo, New York. (Photo by Bill Wippert/NHLI via Getty Images)
By Jeremy Rutherford
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Ryan O’Reilly, married the day before, was playing volleyball with family.

“My brother (Cal) comes up and says, ‘Where’s your phone?'” O’Reilly recalls. “He said, ‘Your agent just called me and wants you to call him back.’ So I called, and he’s like, ‘Ryan, you’re going to St. Louis!'”

Tage Thompson was on the couch at the home of his parents, Brent and Kim, when Blues general manager Doug Armstrong called.

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“We were kind of joking, ‘Maybe I got traded!’ and it actually was,” Thompson remembers.

The 2018 blockbuster deal was one of the biggest in St. Louis and Buffalo history, with the Blues acquiring the All-Star center O’Reilly and the Sabres getting Patrik Berglund, Vladimir Sobotka, a 2019 first-round pick, a 2021 second and a prospect in Thompson whose promise had somewhat dulled.

It was seen as a fleecing for the Blues at the time, but no one, not even O’Reilly, knew how their careers were about to change.

A year later, O’Reilly would win a Stanley Cup and a Conn Smythe Trophy, and while Thompson would spend the next couple of years paying his dues, one of the game’s brightest young stars wouldn’t trade the way it all played out.

With O’Reilly back in the trade rumor mill this year and possibly on his way out of St. Louis, The Athletic reached out to several people involved in the deal that brought him to town in the first place — and its aftermath. It’s part of a series of stories we’re doing looking back at how trades really go down ahead of this year’s March 3 deadline.

The general managers who put the trade together weren’t willing to talk. Armstrong said he’ll reflect on past trades when his managing days are over, and former Sabres GM Jason Botterill, now an assistant in Seattle, has turned down several offers to discuss it. But we did chat with O’Reilly and Thompson, his father Brent, ex-Buffalo assistant GM Randy Sexton and current Sabres coach Don Granato.

Here’s what they remember.

Sexton, 63, was Botterill’s right-hand man at the time. He remembers the Sabres reaching a decision to move O’Reilly, then 26, because they were building for the future.

“Clearly, both organizations were at different stages of the championship cycle,” Sexton says. “The Blues were close and believed they needed a Ryan O’Reilly-type player to get them over the top. We didn’t really want to trade Ryan O’Reilly, but we knew to get some of the pieces we’d need, the time was right.”

Once O’Reilly was officially on the block, there was a lot of interest, so Buffalo put together a priority list of teams and a strategy on how to approach each potential trade. Some wanted to send the Sabres draft picks, while others wished to move salary.

During that process, Armstrong was aggressive.

“He was very clear that Ryan was a guy he would like to acquire,” Sexton says.

The Athletic’s Pierre LeBrun wrote at the time that the clubs calling on O’Reilly also included Montreal, Carolina and Philadelphia, and Sexton says there were three that Buffalo engaged with in detailed discussions.

The Sabres asked about the Blues’ Jordan Kyrou and Robert Thomas, but Armstrong wasn’t moving them. Botterill and Armstrong went back and forth.

“Players that we might’ve wanted early on, Doug was unwilling to part with because they were playing well,” Sexton says. “Or others were playing more poorly than we would’ve (liked), and he wanted to trade them to us. Deals like this evolve.

“We were making progress, but we were making progress concurrent with other teams, as well.”

O’Reilly had no idea he would be shopped that summer. He had just wrapped up the second year of a seven-year, $52.5 million contract, scoring 24 goals and 61 points in 81 games. But the Sabres went 25-45-12 (62 points), and in addition to O’Reilly not fitting their trajectory, there had been backlash to an end-of-the-year interview he did in which he admitted losing his love for the game at times during the year.



“I kind of felt like I was doing the right thing, trying to take responsibility,” O’Reilly says. “I just maybe shared something a little too in-depth, but still, I don’t regret it at all.”

O’Reilly says he was shocked to learn shortly after that he could be traded because he thought he’d “be there forever.” But without a no-trade clause, he had no control.

“They were going to take the best deal they could find, and I had no idea where I was going,” O’Reilly says. “You just hope you’re going to a good team.”

On June 22 and 23, the NHL held its amateur draft in Dallas. Buffalo had the No. 1 pick.

At one point, Botterill and Armstrong were seen chatting on the draft floor, which made some suspect an O’Reilly-to-St. Louis deal could be imminent.

“You could certainly feel the momentum moving on the trade front, and with St. Louis,” Sexton says. “But I don’t recall it being close enough where we could say, ‘If we think this is Doug’s best offer, then we should take it because it’s the best deal.’ I don’t think we were there yet.”

The first iterations of the Blues’ offer did not include Thompson, the 6-foot-6 then-20-year-old the Blues had moved up two spots to take at No. 26 in the 2016 draft.

After playing 16 games in the AHL in 2016-17, Thompson had begun the 2017-18 season in St. Louis but didn’t stick.

“Going into that season, I just wanted to do anything I could to stay in the NHL,” Thompson says. “I probably wasn’t ready physically. I was always very tall — but pretty weak.”

Thompson’s father had a better feel for the situation than most dads. A defenseman, he played in 121 NHL games, then got into coaching. He’s now in his ninth season with the New York Islanders’ AHL affiliate.

“I don’t know if he was 100 percent ready,” Brent says. “He was young, and they were trying to teach him the game from a defensive aspect, which is something everyone needs to learn. (But) they were trying to pretty much develop him in the NHL, and that’s a tough thing to do.”

Buffalo saw the potential, though.

“The combination of size, speed, skill, sense, shot — those things were just so attractive for the type of team that we were trying to build,” Sexton says. “He was just a perfect fit.”

Without Thompson, there was no trade from the Sabres’ perspective.

“‘Botsy’ was insistent,” Sexton says. “Tage wasn’t part of the original couple of offers, but as the deal evolved, he became a more permanent piece. I think Doug accepted that and, like any good GM, tried to negotiate the other pieces of the deal in his favor.”


Tage Thompson in 2017. (Joe Sargent / NHLI via Getty Images)
In addition to Thompson, Armstrong was offering a pair of players many considered disposable. Berglund, then 29, was viewed as an underachiever. Sobotka, 30, had just come back from playing in the KHL.

“We didn’t want our players to feel that we had gutted the team, so we were bringing back NHL players for the short-term while we built the long-term core,” Sexton says. “We were able to ultimately craft a deal that both parties were satisfied with.”

So the two teams agreed on the deal, which may not have been possible if not for a little-known detail that wasn’t public at the time.

In 2017, Berglund had signed a five-year contract with the Blues that included a “modified” no-trade clause, which allowed him to veto a trade to a limited number of teams. The Sabres likely would’ve been on that list, but Berglund’s agent, Peter Wallen, never turned the list into the Blues, thus voiding his protection.

In the days before the trade, O’Reilly’s mind was elsewhere. On June 30, he was marrying his longtime girlfriend, Dayna Douros, and was told not to be concerned about any breaking news.

“My agent said, ‘Don’t worry, you’re not going to get traded on your wedding day,'” O’Reilly recalls. “That was the only thing I knew.”

The next day was July 1, the first day of free agency, which was also the day O’Reilly was scheduled to receive the stipulated $7.5 million signing bonus in his contract.

Armstrong had gotten approval from Blues’ ownership to make the trade and pay the bonus, but then the Blues signed free-agent forwards David Perron and Tyler Bozak, which seemed to signal they were out of the O’Reilly talks.

“When we saw the Bozak signing, we thought, ‘OK, Doug is signing somebody to replace Sobotka and/or Berglund, so that’s probably a good sign,'” Sexton says.

About eight hours later, indeed, it was announced: O’Reilly was joining the Blues.

The newlywed O’Reilly found out from his agent on the volleyball court at his sister’s house.

“All the family was around, so everyone was just cheering,” O’Reilly remembers. “There was just so much excitement, coming from a situation where I was trying to steer a team in the right direction and now joining this team with the veterans they had.”

O’Reilly took a phone call from Armstrong and told the GM, “Let’s go win a Cup!”

“I didn’t know (the phone call) was going to be recorded,” O’Reilly said, laughing at the prophetic statement.


A call from Armstrong got a much different reaction at the Thompson house.

Thompson had just returned from playing for Team USA at the World Championships, where Mike Yeo, the Blues’ coach at the time, was an assistant coach for Team Canada. Yeo had been telling Thompson about the Blues’ high expectations for him in the coming season.

“I remember him sitting on our couch at my house and he got the call from Armstrong, and the facial expression was … I knew something was wrong,” Brent says. “It was a five-for-one deal, and he was just one of the extras. It was Berglund, Sobotka and a couple draft picks and then Tage was thrown in there as a young guy that had a hopeful future.”

“Hopeful” was the key word.

That first year with the Sabres, Thompson had seven goals and 12 points in 65 games and ended the season back in the AHL.

“I was kind of hoping he would get sent down just for development purposes,” his dad says. “He finally did at the end of the year, and you saw the skill set, the elite scoring, the way he could take a game over, and you saw the shot. That was the best move that could probably happen to him at the end of that first year.”

Unfortunately for Thompson, while he was getting knocked out in the first round of the AHL playoffs, the Blues were on their way to winning the Stanley Cup, and O’Reilly was playing a huge part.

After netting 28 goals and 77 points in 82 regular-season games, O’Reilly had seven goals and 23 points in 26 playoff games, becoming the first player since Wayne Gretzky to score in four consecutive Stanley Cup Final games. He won the Conn Smythe Trophy as the postseason MVP.


Ryan O’Reilly in 2019. (Winslow Townson / USA Today)
“I can only imagine what it was like for Tage,” says Granato, who coached Thompson at the U.S. National Team Development Program before joining Buffalo’s coaching staff. “He gets traded for Ryan O’Reilly, he’s a young guy, he doesn’t have any experience, and people are looking at him like … he’d have to describe that.”

So we asked Thompson.

“It sucks seeing the team you were just on win the Cup, and the guy you were just traded for have the success he did,” he says. “I knew that the expectations from the trade were already there, and then they’d been magnified. It just put that much more pressure on me to develop at a quicker rate than I felt I was ready for. I hadn’t even played a full season in the NHL yet, so I was still trying to find my way, and I knew people expected a lot out of me.”

But it wasn’t just Thompson watching the Blues’ success and knowing Sabres fans’ skepticism of the trade would intensify.

“You’re happy for Ryan, but from a pure Buffalo perspective, it’s like, ‘Really?'” Sexton says. “It’s kind of the worst-case scenario. He hoists the Cup and has a great playoff. But you have to accept that that could happen. We were happy with Tage and the picks, and we moved on.”

It didn’t help that Berglund played just 23 games for Buffalo before going AWOL and having his contract terminated. Sobotka’s career came to a premature end after knee surgery. And Ryan Johnson, the player the Sabres chose at No. 31 in 2019 with the Blues’ pick, hasn’t yet made it to the NHL, currently a senior at the University of Minnesota.

So if the trade was going to be viewed evenly to this point, Thompson was the one who had to turn into something. In 2019-20 and 2020-21, he played a combined 39 NHL games because of a shoulder surgery and time spent on the taxi squad under former Buffalo coach Ralph Krueger.

In May 2021, Krueger was fired and replaced by Granato, who saw the work Thompson was putting in.

“The cameras should’ve been on him the last three years, not now, because every day he kept making himself better until he could break that threshold,” Granato says.

Thompson blasted through that thresh-hold with 38 goals and 68 points in 78 games last season and has 35 goals and 69 points in 52 games in 2022-23, through Tuesday — a 55-goal, 109-point pace.

“I always knew I was capable of that success,” Thompson says. “It was just: When was I going to get there? The previous years, I felt like I was grinding, trying to find that opportunity. Once Donny took over, he gave me that opportunity and put me in situations where I could show that I could score.”


O’Reilly has noticed from afar and doesn’t hear anyone telling him the Blues fleeced the Sabres anymore.

“I look at it now, and I don’t think they did,” he says. “Yeah, it just took a while to play out.

“Every time I turn on the TV, he’s got another sweet highlight. He’s just a dominant player right now, and what he does with the puck — the patience, the playmaking ability — he’s one of the best players in the league right now.”

Brent chuckles.

“Yeah, well listen, Ryan’s got a ring, so that’s pretty special,” he says. “That was the right move for St. Louis to get better to win the Cup, and that was the right move for Buffalo to grow and put them in the position they’re in now.”

Granato goes as far as to say “it’s in the top 10 of win-win trades in NHL history.”

Meanwhile, Botterill, who was let go by the Sabres in June 2020, is getting some deserved due.

“When you make big trades, trades involving multiple players and high-profile players, particularly for futures, you have to be given the time to let that trade unfold, to truly assess whether it was a good trade or not,” Sexton says. “Jason believed in what we were doing and had the courage to do it, and it’s just such a shame now that he’s not getting the benefit of Tage’s performance because, had it not been for Jason Botterill, Tage Thompson would not be in Buffalo.”

(Top photo of Tage Thompson and Ryan O’Reilly: Bill Wippert / NHLI via Getty Images)

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Jeremy Rutherford is a senior writer for The Athletic covering the St. Louis Blues. He has covered the team since the 2005-06 season, including a dozen years at the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. He is the author of "Bernie Federko: My Blues Note" and "100 Things Blues Fans Should Know & Do Before They Die." In addition, he is the Blues Insider for 101 ESPN in St. Louis. Follow Jeremy on Twitter @jprutherford
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lulags
Buffalo Sabres
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Feb 16 @ 10:56 AM ET
Really good read
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
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Feb 16 @ 10:58 AM ET
His save percentage is .895 and his GAA is 3.47

For reference the average NHL save percentage this year is .906 and GAA is 2.94

He is a below average NHL goalie

- Stripes77


So you don't think that the fact that he plays on a bad defensive team factors into those numbers? Of course they do, and that's why people brought out the deeper numbers.

But that's not really the spirit of my question. I am not trying to argue that he is a world beater. My question was prompted more by the lack of clear-cut good starters in the league. If you go out and look at goaltending leaderboard there is no relation to salary or anything like that. Look at all of the goalies that moved last offseason. Other than one or two, weren't they all disappointments? Sure, bring in another guy, fine. It just wouldn't surprise me if you end up with another lottery ticket like Comrie.
RhinoFan
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Feb 16 @ 10:58 AM ET
I hope Power works on his shot in the off season. It is definitely not at the NHL level.

For a guy his size its definitely one of the slower ones on the team.

- sabresfan69


It'll happen. He's got the accuracy, just needs to get stronger. Totally agree it's an area he needs to work on, just isn't a concern.

Remember Dahlin's shot when he was a rookie? What was it 98 at the All Star game?...
lulags
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Feb 16 @ 11:03 AM ET
It'll happen. He's got the accuracy, just needs to get stronger. Totally agree it's an area he needs to work on, just isn't a concern.

Remember Dahlin's shot when he was a rookie? What was it 98 at the All Star game?...

- RhinoFan

100% accurate. The kid is just that, a kid, with a big, lanky awkward body and he’s pretty much playing at an elite level. His hockey sense is off the charts for a (barely) 20 year old. His shot will get better, stronger with time as he hopefully takes a page out of Tage’s book
Stripes77
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Feb 16 @ 11:03 AM ET
So you don't think that the fact that he plays on a bad defensive team factors into those numbers? Of course they do, and that's why people brought out the deeper numbers.

But that's not really the spirit of my question. I am not trying to argue that he is a world beater. My question was prompted more by the lack of clear-cut good starters in the league. If you go out and look at goaltending leaderboard there is no relation to salary or anything like that. Look at all of the goalies that moved last offseason. Other than one or two, weren't they all disappointments? Sure, bring in another guy, fine. It just wouldn't surprise me if you end up with another lottery ticket like Comrie.

- Slump Buster


Yet our 41 year old goaltender has significantly better stats than him with that same team?

They absolutely need to bring someone in to push UPL. UPL and Comrie have very similiar stats. Both below average.

The players deserve at least average goaltending play.

BeadyEyedDouche
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Feb 16 @ 11:10 AM ET
"He can't produce at EV strength"
- sbroads24

1/3 of the NHL are powerplay specialists
Slump Buster
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Feb 16 @ 11:10 AM ET
Yet our 41 year old goaltender has significantly better stats than him with that same team?

They absolutely need to bring someone in to push UPL. UPL and Comrie have very similiar stats. Both below average.

The players deserve at least average goaltending play.

- Stripes77


.... and the 41 year old goalie is one game over .500. If his numbers are so good, why is UPL the unquestioned starter? We're also talking about a guy that has only played 35 games in the league and has a winning record on a team that was (for part of it) historically bad.

Again, that wasn't the question. So lets say they agree with you and that he isn't a good goalie. All I am saying is that it wouldn't surprise me if UPL and Comrie are back here next year. While the idea of pushing them sounds great on paper it isn't something that works in practice.
Stripes77
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Feb 16 @ 11:12 AM ET
.... and the 41 year old goalie is one game over .500. If his numbers are so good, why is UPL the unquestioned starter? We're also talking about a guy that has only played 35 games in the league and has a winning record on a team that was (for part of it) historically bad.

Again, that wasn't the question. So lets say they agree with you and that he isn't a good goalie. All I am saying is that it wouldn't surprise me if UPL and Comrie are back here next year. While the idea of pushing them sounds great on paper it isn't something that works in practice.

- Slump Buster


Because he is 41 years old and can't physically play more?
BeadyEyedDouche
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Feb 16 @ 11:15 AM ET
I was 23 back in O5/06. Went to games all the time. They were fun and worth it, the Bills were bad. I went to 1 game a year.

If I was 23 again I’d rather go to Bills games. The team is better and worth spending the money on.

- Stripes77

My take: I honestly don’t think anyone loves the Bills more than me. I am sexually attracted to our logo.

That being said. I am 37. Doesn’t matter to me - going to Buffalo is more appealing to me than going to Orchard Park.

I HATE the Southtowns. I hate the area around the stadium. I hate live NFL football.

I would rather go to 10 middle of the week, dead atmosphere Sabres games for 30 bucks a ticket and do poop in Buffalo before and after than even consider going to a Bills game.

17, 23, 27, 37… always found the city more appealing and a Sabres game more interesting.
Slump Buster
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Feb 16 @ 11:19 AM ET
Because he is 41 years old and can't physically play more?
- Stripes77


I didn't ask why he only has 8 wins. I asked why he is one game over .500. If the numbers are so good and we are scoring 6 goals a night (something that hasn't happened for a long time but is still used to try to explain away UPL's record), I would think that he would have a much better record. As you said, he is playing in front of the same team. He started the season 3-0 when the team was healthy and then has been very average since then.
ImThatGuy
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Feb 16 @ 11:23 AM ET
I didn't ask why he only has 8 wins. I asked why he is one game over .500. If the numbers are so good and we are scoring 6 goals a night (something that hasn't happened for a long time but is still used to try to explain away UPL's record), I would think that he would have a much better record. As you said, he is playing in front of the same team. He started the season 3-0 when the team was healthy and then has been very average since then.
- Slump Buster



In 9 of UPL 13 wins the Sabres have scored 5 or more.

In 11 of 13 it’s 4 or more.

In 17 of his 22 starts he has given up 3 or more goals.
jochfr
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Feb 16 @ 11:23 AM ET
My take: I honestly don’t think anyone loves the Bills more than me. I am sexually attracted to our logo.

That being said. I am 37. Doesn’t matter to me - going to Buffalo is more appealing to me than going to Orchard Park.

I HATE the Southtowns. I hate the area around the stadium. I hate live NFL football.

I would rather go to 10 middle of the week, dead atmosphere Sabres games for 30 bucks a ticket and do poop in Buffalo before and after than even consider going to a Bills game.

17, 23, 27, 37… always found the city more appealing and a Sabres game more interesting.

- BeadyEyedDouche


OP seems like such a dumb place for a stadium.
Ain't poop to do there.

I love that the Titans stadium is right downtown and right next to the highway.
lacaprup
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Feb 16 @ 11:24 AM ET
I didn't ask why he only has 8 wins. I asked why he is one game over .500. If the numbers are so good and we are scoring 6 goals a night (something that hasn't happened for a long time but is still used to try to explain away UPL's record), I would think that he would have a much better record. As you said, he is playing in front of the same team. He started the season 3-0 when the team was healthy and then has been very average since then.
- Slump Buster


The same reason Jacob DeGrom used to have an average win - loss record for the Mets even though he was arguably the #1 pitcher in all of baseball. The goalies can't control how many goals the team is going to score in front of them just like a starting pitcher can't control if a ball team will score runs for them.
lacaprup
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Feb 16 @ 11:27 AM ET
OP seems like such a dumb place for a stadium.
Ain't poop to do there.

I love that the Titans stadium is right downtown and right next to the highway.

- jochfr


It cannot, however, be argued that OP has been wonderful for the Bills. The Bills are widely and correctly recognized for their tailgates. This would not be the case if they were in the Cobblestone district for the last 40 years. When you play every day like NHL, NBA, MLB I think it is very important to be in the core area, but not so much for the NFL. In WNY even less because we do not have traffic. Even in Bills game traffic you can get from Buffalo to the stadium in a reasonable amount of time.
ImThatGuy
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Feb 16 @ 11:30 AM ET
The same reason Jacob DeGrom used to have an average win - loss record for the Mets even though he was arguably the #1 pitcher in all of baseball. The goalies can't control how many goals the team is going to score in front of them just like a starting pitcher can't control if a ball team will score runs for them.
- lacaprup


The Sabres have scored 5 or more goals in just 5 of his 17 starts for Anderson.

I found most of the reason why, it won’t be good enough though.

All the goalies on this team are bad.

They need an upgrade.
lacaprup
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
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Feb 16 @ 11:31 AM ET
Wow, listening to an interview with Ottawa's GM right now on TSN Ottawa, and he was directly asked to assess Alex DeBrincat's play and if he would be traded. He did so and then said quite definitively he would not be traded.

But, I was told GMs cannot be asked those questions by the old slumpster. Whoops, slumpy, you were wrong.
Slump Buster
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Feb 16 @ 11:39 AM ET
In 9 of UPL 13 wins the Sabres have scored 5 or more.

In 11 of 13 it’s 4 or more.

In 17 of his 22 starts he has given up 3 or more goals.

- ImThatGuy


And all those games earlier in the year where we scored a ton of goals and were still losing.... all we asked was for a guy that would make saves at the end of the game. Sure, for a while we scored a lot of goals. We also gave up more scoring chances than anyone.

What if we flipped the script. If Anderson loses a game 5 - 4, are you going to feel better about him if I tell you that - even though he gave up 4 goals - that is advanced numbers were good? No, of course not.


Stripes77
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Buffalo Sabres
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Feb 16 @ 11:41 AM ET
And all those games earlier in the year where we scored a ton of goals and were still losing.... all we asked was for a guy that would make saves at the end of the game. Sure, for a while we scored a lot of goals. We also gave up more scoring chances than anyone.

What if we flipped the script. If Anderson loses a game 5 - 4, are you going to feel better about him if I tell you that - even though he gave up 4 goals - that is advanced numbers were good? No, of course not.

- Slump Buster



What if we flipped the script? We can’t flip the script because it didn’t happen.

UPL has gotten more goal support which is why despite him having worse stats he has more wins than the 41 year old.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Feb 16 @ 11:42 AM ET
And all those games earlier in the year where we scored a ton of goals and were still losing.... all we asked was for a guy that would make saves at the end of the game. Sure, for a while we scored a lot of goals. We also gave up more scoring chances than anyone.

What if we flipped the script. If Anderson loses a game 5 - 4, are you going to feel better about him if I tell you that - even though he gave up 4 goals - that is advanced numbers were good? No, of course not.

- Slump Buster


A) what?
B) How can you lose 5-4 but only give up 4
C) he won’t have good numbers giving up 4 or more goals.
D) no he also is not a good goalie.

NONE OF THE SABRES GOALIES ARE GOOD.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Feb 16 @ 11:42 AM ET
Wow, listening to an interview with Ottawa's GM right now on TSN Ottawa, and he was directly asked to assess Alex DeBrincat's play and if he would be traded. He did so and then said quite definitively he would not be traded.

But, I was told GMs cannot be asked those questions by the old slumpster. Whoops, slumpy, you were wrong.

- lacaprup


Well gee crupper, that seems like apples and oranges. You earlier complained that none of the reporters are asking about where a rostered player slots into the roster next year even though this year isn't over. That's a stupid question on a variety of levels.

Of course reporters are going to ask about pending free agents possibly being moved. They asked KA that last year and he answered it. They already asked him about his approach to the deadline this year and he answered it.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Feb 16 @ 11:43 AM ET
A) what?
B) How can you lose 5-4 but only give up 4
C) he won’t have good numbers giving up 4 or more goals.
D) no he also is not a good goalie.

NONE OF THE SABRES GOALIES ARE GOOD.

- ImThatGuy


Its a good thing someone had to tell you this or else you wouldn't have known. So after 35 games you know this about him? The kid that won rookie of the month last month?
hubie
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Matt Ellis is my patronus, NY
Joined: 06.28.2011

Feb 16 @ 11:45 AM ET
The Sabres have scored 5 or more goals in just 5 of his 17 starts for Anderson.

I found most of the reason why, it won’t be good enough though.

All the goalies on this team are bad.

They need an upgrade.

- ImThatGuy


I tried to say this awhile ago but eeryone said i was wrong and upl is god and the others suck
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Feb 16 @ 11:48 AM ET
Its a good thing someone had to tell you this or else you wouldn't have known. So after 35 games you know this about him? The kid that won rookie of the month last month?
- Slump Buster

He won rookie of the month because NHL awards are antiquated in how they are calculated.


Also what is good that someone had to tell me. I’m so damn lost?
He won ROM because of his W-L record. Half his games that month had a sub .900 sv %.

The NHL defensman of the year award is given to the guy who generates the most offense.

IE Erik Karlsson and PK Subban winning best d-man in the league when we all know that’s not even remotely close to true.
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Feb 16 @ 11:50 AM ET
I tried to say this awhile ago but eeryone said i was wrong and upl is god and the others suck
- hubie

I was with you.

I still am. The goalies are bad and one being 41 years old really hurts this team because he can’t play but every 90 days.
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