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SyrSabreFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Syracuse, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Feb 18 @ 10:20 AM ET
If I were to make a bills / Sabres rebuild comparison.

We would be in year 2 of the josh allen development stage. That is where the Sabres are at.

Young team still developing. Showed some good signs and some bad signs. Which is fine. Also found some core pieces

We aren’t ready for a Von Miller signing. We could use a diggs trade. (Sabres wise)

- Sabretooth9


IMO, this is Timo Meier. Same exact role/player as Stef. If we can get him for 8-8.5, you do it. Futures are lottery tickets, he is a known entity.
lacaprup
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.23.2006

Feb 18 @ 10:21 AM ET
Well, because they lose a year of development, in a year they defied as a year of Development.
They are looking at the longer view.

- IonSabres


If you send someone down they don't have to stay there for the rest of the season. If we sent Krebs down when he was god-awful, I assume he'd be back by now, and maybe it turns out we have a precocious youngster we discovered by bringing them up.

I'll be damned if i tell you I thought Krebs getting into a few fights was going to happen and help unlock his confidence.
Buff36
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Feb 18 @ 10:26 AM ET
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Which NHL team can make the best current roster of players they traded away?

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We all love trades. Trades are the best. There’s no better feeling than finding out your favorite team has made a big deal.

Well, unless they trade away somebody good.

That’s the problem with the trading game — most teams have this weird thing where they want to get something back in return. In today’s NHL, that’s often just cap space, or some draft pick you’ll forget all about. But occasionally, teams still trade away actual NHL talent. And sometimes, that talent ends up looking pretty good in their new home.

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So today, let’s see which team can make the best starting lineup out of guys they’ve traded away. We’re talking current NHL talent — the three forwards, two defensemen and a goalie that your team traded and might wish they had back right now. We’re only counting the trades that put a player on his current team, so the Oilers can’t claim Taylor Hall, for example. We’re not counting draft picks that turned into players, and we’re not looking at free agents or waivers or anything else. Just those player trades, please.

It’s harder than you’d think to build full six-man lineups for most teams. Hard, but not impossible, and they don’t pay me to do the easy stuff. Let’s go through a few teams and see what we can come up with.

Buffalo Sabres
Let’s start with the obvious: Rebuilding teams are going to be our prime target here, because those are the teams that are trading established players away. And no team has been rebuilding longer than the Sabres. As soon as I had the concept for this post, I knew the Sabres would be my first stop.

And sure enough, there’s a ton of talent to work with. Too much, in fact, at least up front. We can start with Jack Eichel, who went to Vegas in last year’s blockbuster. We can also use Sam Reinhart. And for our third spot, we can have our pick of either Taylor Hall or Ryan O’Reilly, with Marcus Foligno available as depth. That’s about as good as we’re likely to get for a forward group.


Jack Eichel. (Stephen R. Sylvanie / USA Today)
The blue line isn’t quite as strong, but still has some options. The Sabres fleeced the Flyers into taking Rasmus Ristolainen a few summers ago, and we could pair him with Brandon Montour. Not exactly a Norris-worthy pairing, but not bad, and with five players down our Sabres lineup is in great shape.

That’s where it falls apart though, as I don’t think there are any active NHL goalies who were traded to the current team by the Sabres. We could argue over Jonas Johansson, who was traded from Buffalo to Colorado but recently had a brief waiver stop in Arizona, but he’s only played one game this year. The big miss is Linus Ullmark, a former Sabre who’ll probably win the Vezina but was a free agent, not a trade.

So somewhat surprisingly, the Sabres aren’t going to run away with this. Let’s check in on another rebuild to see if we can do better.

Chicago Blackhawks
The Hawks haven’t been at this as long as the Sabres have, but Kyle Davidson has made up for lost time over the last year or two. And unlike Buffalo, we have a clearcut goaltending option in Marc-Andre Fleury, dealt to the Wild last season.

Up front, we don’t even need to wait on Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews, because we can lean on last year’s draft sell-off to start with Alex DeBrincat and Kirby Dach. And we can find a solid third option if we reach back to 2018 for the Nick Schmaltz trade. Sorry Brandon Hagel, we’ll keep you on speed dial.

The blue line is OK, with Adam Boqvist and Nikita Zadorov. That makes Chicago our first entry with a legitimate six-man group, and it’s a solid one that might get even better very soon. It doesn’t feel unbeatable, though, so let’s check in on one more rebuild.

Montreal Canadiens
Tragically, the Habs can’t make use of their best trade of the past few years, as Bitcoin Ben Chiarot has already moved on from his brief stint with the Panthers. We also lose out on Max Pacioretty, who would have worked before Vegas dealt him to Carolina. And Habs fans will be happy to know that this is one trade history post where we don’t have to bring up Ryan McDonagh. But don’t fear, because the Canadiens’ up-and-down last decade still gives us some options to work with.

Let’s start with Mikhail Sergachev, who went to the Lightning for Jonathan Drouin back in 2017. More recently, we can plug in Tyler Toffoli up front, and give him Artturi Lehkonen on the wing. And our second blueliner can give us a choice of something old (Jeff Petry) or something new (Alexander Romanov).

Unfortunately, I don’t see a great option for the third forward, and goaltending will be an issue. That may be a temporary problem, as Montreal should be selling at the deadline, so maybe we can pencil in a Jake Allen or Sean Monahan in a few weeks.

And since we did the Habs, let’s go to their oldest rivals …

Toronto Maple Leafs
The Leafs entry is … not good?

Sorry if I sound confused, but I just sort of assumed the Leafs would be strong here, based on a long history of bad trades. But most of those are too old to help us here, and at least a few of the worst Kyle Dubas moves involved shipping out draft picks. We can’t use Nazem Kadri to Colorado, since he’s now with the Flames, or Mason Marchment, who went from Florida to Dallas. Even Carter Verhaeghe doesn’t work, because the Leafs sent him to the Islanders before they traded him to Tampa.

So what are we left with? I can’t find much more than Kasperi Kapenen, Trevor Moore and Matt Martin up front, and maybe Sean Durzi and Nikita Zaitsev on the back end. I could get cute in goal by claiming Robin Lehner, who was technically Leafs property for a few minutes on the way from Chicago to Vegas, but otherwise it’s Petr Mrazek. The Leafs entry is bad. Which I guess is good. Or bad. I’m confused, let’s just move on.

Anaheim Ducks
Pat Verbeek was busy moving veterans at last year’s deadline, and that forms the basis of a solid start. We can build around Hampus Lindholm and Josh Manson on the blue line, plus Rickard Rakell up front, since all three stuck with their new teams. But that’s about all we’ve got to work with, as the last years of the Bob Murray era didn’t give us much in the way of significant player trades. I’m not even sure the incoming John Klingberg trade helps us — after the year he’s had, does he even take Manson’s spot?

Columbus Blue Jackets
The Blue Jackets are another team that gets off to a great start. We can build the blue line around Seth Jones, dealt to Chicago in 2021 in a deal that worked out well for Columbus. There’s plenty to choose from up front, starting with Pierre-Luc Dubois and Oliver Bjorkstrand. We could use our third spot on Cam Atkinson, although he’s missed this entire season. Another option would be Nashville’s Ryan Johansen from the original Jones trade, all the way back in 2016. Josh Anderson is there too.

Unfortunately, that’s about where the magic runs out for Columbus, who don’t have great options in goal or for the second blue-line spot (at least until they find a taker for Vladislav Gavrikov). If we weren’t limiting this to trades, they could call up their 2019 UFA departures like Artemi Panarin, Matt Duchene or Sergei Bobrovsky, but alas.

New York Rangers
There was a time when the Rangers were in on every big trade. That time was called “before we had a salary cap,” and you kids out there will have to take my word on it that it was fun. These days, the Rangers aren’t quite as active, but they still offer up some options. Up front, we can start with a pair of Blues in Pavel Buchnevich and the just-traded Sammy Blais, and let’s add in Ryan Reaves just for the entertainment value. (We could also go with Brett Howden or Morgan Barron.)

The blue line could start with Brady Skjei, and the second spot is probably Neal Pionk, with Nils Lundkvist ready to take over a spot soon. And they even have a solid option in goal, where Alexandar Georgiev is just entering his prime and having a good year in Colorado. All in all, the Rangers are far from an all-star squad, but it’s not bad.

Minnesota Wild
We sadly can’t use buyouts to pad the roster, but Bill Guerin still has a sneaky good team. We can start with Kevin Fiala up front, thanks to last summer’s trade to the Kings. Going back a few years before that, we can round out our forwards with Jason Zucker and Charlie Coyle.

The back end is a little dicey; the best I can do is Dmitry Kulikov, and I’m not even sure there is a second option. But we’ve got two goalies in Cam Talbot and Kaapo Kahkonen, so maybe we can move one for some blue-line help.


Kevin Fiala. (Gary A. Vasquez / USA Today)
Ottawa Senators
In theory, the Sens should be just about the ideal candidate for this sort of drill. They’ve been rebuilding for a few years, but were a contender recently enough that they had some good players to trade away. And sure enough, we can start with this year’s potential Norris winner, as Erik Karlsson slots into our blue line. We also get a strong start up front, where Mark Stone can be our top forward. And we have one more big name available, thanks to the ill-fated Mika Zibanejad trade from back in 2016.

The star power fades a bit after that, although we can still plug in some solid names. Let’s go with Nick Paul as the third forward, and Dylan DeMelo as our second defenseman. (If you prefer, we could also use guys like Jean-Gabriel Pageau, Jakob Silfverberg and Mike Reilly.) And unlike most of our teams, the Senators even have multiple options in goal, where Matt Murray could back up Filip Gustavsson.

Vegas Golden Knights
We mostly think of the Golden Knights landing big names, but they haven’t been shy about trading them away. We can use Max Pacioretty twice here, once from his own trade to the Hurricanes and once when the Knights acquired him, giving up a package that included Nick Suzuki. Let’s round out a really nice forward line with Alex Tuch.

Unfortunately, the rest of the roster doesn’t live up to the forwards. Our blue line loses Nate Schmidt and Colin Miller, who’ve both switched teams since the Knights traded them, so we probably end up with Nick Holden and maybe Erik Brannstrom. And I’m not sure there’s a goalie option.

Carolina Hurricanes
The Canes are another team that’s better known for acquiring these days, but they’ve given up a few decent names over the years. Let’s start with the biggest, even though it comes with an asterisk: Adam Fox, whose rights were traded to the Rangers because he wasn’t going to sign out of college. Bad for them, but good for our roster.

We can turn to a different Fox trade to fill a few other spots, landing Elias Lindholm and Noah Hanifin from the 2018 deal that sent them to Calgary for Fox’s rights and Dougie Hamilton. There’s also Justin Faulk, if you’d prefer him to Hanifin. Or Ethan Bear. Or Tony D’Angelo. These guys traded a lot of defensemen.

They also trade goalies, although that’s usually after they’ve figured out they’re not good anymore, so we’re probably stuck with Alex Nedeljkovic here. That leaves us with two forward spots to fill, and we can safely use one on Jeff Skinner now that he’s back to scoring goals. The third forward can be Nicolas Roy, or maybe Warren Foegele. All in all, not a bad squad thanks to the Fox/Lindholm starting duo; you could argue that Fox represents the best player in this entire exercise.

St. Louis Blues
We’ll end with the Blues, an interesting team that in recent years has experienced both a championship and, now, the start of a rebuild. Doug Armstrong is an aggressive trader, so this could be a good squad.

And it is, starting up front. The recent trade of Vladimir Tarasenko gives us a legitimate star, but there’s an even bigger one out there thanks to Tage Thompson. And we can round out the line with T.J. Oshie, traded to Washington almost eight years ago. That’s a solid forward group, and if we wait another week or two we can probably add Ryan O’Reilly to it.

The blue line won’t be quite as strong — curse you for not trading Alex Pietrangelo’s rights — but it’s workable. The Tarasenko trade also included Niko Mikkola, a serviceable player with a bit of upside. And we can go way back into the archives to find his partner. Erik Johnson is coming up on the 12th anniversary of the trade that sent him to Colorado, and he’s still there, meaning he qualifies for our team. (I believe that makes Johnson the longest-serving player on any NHL team who was acquired by trade, but feel free to fact-check me.)

We’ll round out the Blues with Ville Husso in goal, backed up by Jake Allen. With Oskar Sundqvist and Robby Fabbri as depth, that makes St. Louis one of our stronger entries.

So, who you got?

My final four comes out as the Blues, Senators, Hurricanes and Blackhawks, with the Sabres ready to push their way in as soon as they find a goalie. I think the Blues take it, but it’s close, and I could be swayed if you want to weigh in. Or even better, take a crack at a team I haven’t covered. Maybe you can do something with the Flames or Panthers around the various names in the Matthew Tkachuk trade, or the Sharks with Brent Burns and Josh Norris, or the Jets with Patrik Laine and Jacob Trouba. Meet us in the comments section — it’s Friday, it’s not like you were going to get any work done.

(Top photo of Erik Karlsson: Steph Chambers / Getty Images)
Good Stuff!! Hey we are #1 for something


IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Feb 18 @ 10:29 AM ET
I thought Torts sent a letter to season ticket holders saying they have to rebuild and ta going to take time?
- ImThatGuy


I had to check again, but I don't see him going down the Darcy "be prepared for suffering" path.
Sounds more like Kevyn and Donnie messaging.

https://phillyhockeynow.c...es-owen-tippett-cam-york/

It is why I just can't rationalize them trading out Konecky.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Feb 18 @ 10:31 AM ET
If you send someone down they don't have to stay there for the rest of the season. If we sent Krebs down when he was god-awful, I assume he'd be back by now, and maybe it turns out we have a precocious youngster we discovered by bringing them up.

I'll be damned if i tell you I thought Krebs getting into a few fights was going to happen and help unlock his confidence.

- lacaprup


Donnie unlocked his confidence.
Krebs has the fighter mentality of doing what it takes.
Anderdog
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 03.17.2021

Feb 18 @ 10:32 AM ET
I can name the specific players I advocated for this offseason:
Cat - does not fit his equation
Ville Husso - does not fit his equation
Pat Kane - does fit his equation, but was never really serious. Just kind of a fun time. And, yes, there were others who would like Kane too.

Other than Pat Kane because he is the greatest American player of all time and from South Buffalo I don't know who he is talking about. And, let's face it, since he's been in the league Sabres fans have advocated trading for Pat Kane every offseason, and rightfully so.

- lacaprup



He looked good last night
Scored 2
Engaged in play


I was on the side of keeping one kid up at a time


Also didn't want to see upl for more than 10 games or so

Also said I wouldn't give up anything of value for Kane in beginning of season
Certainly hasn't changed my mind
lacaprup
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.23.2006

Feb 18 @ 10:43 AM ET
Donnie unlocked his confidence.
Krebs has the fighter mentality of doing what it takes.

- IonSabres


No one ever questioned his heart. Him and Mitts are very enthusiastic type attitudes about hockey. I'd love to hear those two talk about the league and the guys they play against. I'd bet it would be a very intelligent and entertaining conversation.
Anderdog
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 03.17.2021

Feb 18 @ 10:44 AM ET
Beware of fake trades season

Had Dallas getting karlsson
2 firsts
2 players
Looked legit

Checked out other sites

Nothing
lacaprup
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.23.2006

Feb 18 @ 10:45 AM ET
He looked good last night
Scored 2
Engaged in play


I was on the side of keeping one kid up at a time


Also didn't want to see upl for more than 10 games or so

Also said I wouldn't give up anything of value for Kane in beginning of season
Certainly hasn't changed my mind

- Anderdog


After the game against Toronto this week, the Leafs coach said he couldn't take anything out of the game (Toronto won 5 - 2) and the Toronto media called it a "controlled scrimmage."

I guess the Hawks give effort one night and sleep through the next 4 games. Tough to evaluate.


lacaprup
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.23.2006

Feb 18 @ 10:49 AM ET
If there's no market for Patty.... maybe we can get him for a song. Send down a kid winger and let Patty Kane lead us to the playoffs.

🫣
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Feb 18 @ 10:58 AM ET
If there's no market for Patty.... maybe we can get him for a song. Send down a kid winger and let Patty Kane lead us to the playoffs.

🫣

- lacaprup

Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Feb 18 @ 11:26 AM ET
Considering both Quinn and Peterka have had awful stretches of hockey it wouldn’t be so shocking if they went down.

Again if saying hey get Debrincat (40 goal ppg player) is a “plug and play guy” then I’ll take 12 plug and play forwards.

- ImThatGuy



They aren’t going down. Those are normal growing pains.

Quinn JJ and Krebs are too good for the ahl and need to stay up to nhl speed and get used to it.

Ahl is a slower game and they can get used to that slower speed.

Bad bad bad idea.
Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Feb 18 @ 11:27 AM ET
IMO, this is Timo Meier. Same exact role/player as Stef. If we can get him for 8-8.5, you do it. Futures are lottery tickets, he is a known entity.
- SyrSabreFan



Okay that is a fair point about diggs and Timo
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Feb 18 @ 11:31 AM ET
They aren’t going down. Those are normal growing pains.

Quinn JJ and Krebs are too good for the ahl and need to stay up to nhl speed and get used to it.

Ahl is a slower game and they can get used to that slower speed.

Bad bad bad idea.

- Sabretooth9


Why would any prospect every play in the AHL ever then if “the game is slower and they will get used to that pace”

Seems counter productive.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Feb 18 @ 11:39 AM ET
Why would any prospect every play in the AHL ever then if “the game is slower and they will get used to that pace”

Seems counter productive.

- ImThatGuy


We've seen a lot of guys go down, after struggling in the NHL. Mitts, Tage, Krebs. Quinn or JJ could go down again, wouldn't be a shock at all and wouldn't have been terrible this year either. No guaranteed recipe to this.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Feb 18 @ 11:50 AM ET
We've seen a lot of guys go down, after struggling in the NHL. Mitts, Tage, Krebs. Quinn or JJ could go down again, wouldn't be a shock at all and wouldn't have been terrible this year either. No guaranteed recipe to this.
- Lunaion

it's interesting that in a let's see what you have season for the sabres in 2022-23

not 1 prospect has been called up to play forward for this season

biro 31 points in 35 ahl games
rousek 31 points in 45 games
weissbach 28 points in 44 games
murray 27 points in 44 games
kullich 26 points in 37 games
rosen 21 points in 39 games

not 1 call up

BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Feb 18 @ 11:50 AM ET
Okay I have to say this and I’m sorry

I understand the gesture but can we please stop posting entire Athletic articles on here

The_Inkwell
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 18 @ 11:56 AM ET
Crazy to see St. Louis in rebuild mode only a couple of years after they won the cup.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Feb 18 @ 11:59 AM ET
We've seen a lot of guys go down, after struggling in the NHL. Mitts, Tage, Krebs. Quinn or JJ could go down again, wouldn't be a shock at all and wouldn't have been terrible this year either. No guaranteed recipe to this.
- Lunaion


So the Sabres are going for a playoff run, but want either Quinn or peterka to watch the team growth from Rochester?

This isnt happening 😀
Fattony1187
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.12.2015

Feb 18 @ 12:00 PM ET
I think people wanted that bishop money used to get a better player than comrie, vinny or lyubushkin

one quality piece is better than 3 turdburgers

- homiedclown



Yes we did want this. I think the hesitance on trading a prospect is Adam's doesn't want to trade a guy who could become a tage Thompson himself to a team when we realistically could be good for 10 plus years with the potential of his roster.

As I and a lot of posters said at the beginning of the year, he's going to make some big moves this off-season
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Feb 18 @ 12:06 PM ET
it's interesting that in a let's see what you have season for the sabres in 2022-23

not 1 prospect has been called up to play forward for this season

biro 31 points in 35 ahl games
rousek 31 points in 45 games
weissbach 28 points in 44 games
murray 27 points in 44 games
kullich 26 points in 37 games
rosen 21 points in 39 games

not 1 call up

- homiedclown


Have stayed shockingly healthy.

Guess we learned that they don't view Biro or Weissbach as prospects. Think we already knew Murray isn't. He had his shot.

Curious who they use recalls on this year. Do they care about making anyone currently up AHL playoff eligible? I wouldn't think so. Might mean some typical merit promotions, if the final games aren't meaningful. Kulich has certainly earned it.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Feb 18 @ 12:11 PM ET
So the Sabres are going for a playoff run, but want either Quinn or peterka to watch the team growth from Rochester?

This isnt happening 😀

- Boss34


Welcome back. Think that ship has probably sailed, but wasn't a bad idea earlier. JJ more than Quinn. Also saying it could happen next season.
sabrebuzz
Joined: 12.28.2008

Feb 18 @ 12:46 PM ET
Clips of Matt Savoie this year for those interested

https://twitter.com/thech...&t=11P-SfP0MAzjVfzoViSqFw

- Swedish_Jesus


Wow!
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Feb 18 @ 12:50 PM ET
Crazy to see St. Louis in rebuild mode only a couple of years after they won the cup.
- The_Inkwell

I think a lot of that was losing Pietrangelo, Dunn and having Jay Bow retire


Faulk and Krug are not as good in their own end which makes the goalies look worse and throw in Tarasenko's injuries and RoR declining play and the goals per game is middle of the pack aside from last season

middle of pack for pp and bottom third for pk
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Feb 18 @ 1:00 PM ET
Okay I have to say this and I’m sorry

I understand the gesture but can we please stop posting entire Athletic articles on here

- BeadyEyedDouche

I’m with ya.
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