And talent... we lack that, too
- Bob Habib

McDavid has 99 points already.

1 flyer in top 50, TK at 44

Exactly what I thought. 2-1-2 is more of an example of a neutral zone forecheck. It is not a defensive zone coverage scheme. The Flyers don't play a structured 2-1-2 in the defensive zone. I told you what they play.

There are numerous other defensive coverage schemes played in the NHL and variations of the same.

Defensive coverage is a huge problem for the Flyers. They are a poor defensive team that bleeds shot attempts and scoring chances. They lack puck pressure both at 5 on 5 and on the PK. They don't play a modern style of hockey.
It would be impossible for any trained eye to look at how passive the Flyers play by design and blame it on skating speed. There isn't a player in the league that is fast gliding on their skates or when stationary.

There are a number of websites that are available for educational purposes on hockey systems.
- MJL

First of all a 2-1-2 is a neutral forecheck but its also a form of a low zone collapse which you referenced. Look it up if you don't believe me. Again, to play a "modern" style of hockey, you have to have the speed and skill to do it and the Flyers don't have it and have not had it for several years! They play a style that gives them the best chance to win given the roster they have, which is exactly what a good coach is supposed to do. The Flyers play a puck-pressure type of system because by the time they get to where the puck was its not longer there! And when you get to the late stages of the season and into the playoffs, its all about defense!

First of all a 2-1-2 is a neutral forecheck but its also a form of a low zone collapse which you referenced. Look it up if you don't believe me. Again, to play a "modern" style of hockey, you have to have the speed and skill to do it and the Flyers don't have it and have not had it for several years! They play a style that gives them the best chance to win given the roster they have, which is exactly what a good coach is supposed to do. The Flyers play a puck-pressure type of system because by the time they get to where the puck was its not longer there! And when you get to the late stages of the season and into the playoffs, its all about defense!
- jd250

I don't need to look anything up. You don't need to have the speed and skill to play modern hockey. You need speed and skill to play it really well but the Flyers aren't a good team anyway. So might as well teach the team to play the right way. The style to play doesn't give them the best chance to win. It is losing hockey. It's passive and non aggressive and doesn't create offense. Defending is losing hockey, no matter how well you do it. The Flyers don't do it well. They're one of the worst teams in the league in shot prevention. In the bottom 3rd in the league in scoring chances allowed. They're middle of the pack in GA mainly because of goaltending. No it's not all about defense in the late stages and into the playoffs. That is not correct. Modern day NHL is attack hockey. Possess the puck and play in the other teams end. That is how you defend in today's NHL. You have to play well defensively, manage the puck and get good goaltending but you don't win that way. You win by attacking and keeping the puck away from the other team. That's modern day NHL hockey.

McDavid has 99 points already.

1 flyer in top 50, TK at 44
- Peter Richards

Exactly. He barely cracked the top 50 out of how many players in the NHL?!
We need talent on this roster. We have some strong complimentary pieces but absolutely no game changers, besides Hart, and Hart is only hurting our draft position at this point (and I am not complaining about Hart at all. I love this kid)

Exactly. He barely cracked the top 50 out of how many players in the NHL?!
We need talent on this roster. We have some strong complimentary pieces but absolutely no game changers, besides Hart, and Hart is only hurting our draft position at this point (and I am not complaining about Hart at all. I love this kid)
- Bob Habib

Keep in mind that there is probably about 700 or so players in the NHL, so being ranked 44th is pretty darn good.

"Ryan O'Reilly is headed to Toronto.

The St. Louis Blues traded their captain, along with veteran forward Noel Acciari, to the Maple Leafs, in exchange for a first-round pick, a second-round pick, a third-round pick, and forwards Mikhail Abramov and Adam Gaudette, the teams announced Friday.

The Blues will retain 50% of O'Reilly's cap hit. The Minnesota Wild are retaining an additional 25% and will receive a fourth-round pick from Toronto."

"Ryan O'Reilly is headed to Toronto.

The St. Louis Blues traded their captain, along with veteran forward Noel Acciari, to the Maple Leafs, in exchange for a first-round pick, a second-round pick, a third-round pick, and forwards Mikhail Abramov and Adam Gaudette, the teams announced Friday.

The Blues will retain 50% of O'Reilly's cap hit. The Minnesota Wild are retaining an additional 25% and will receive a fourth-round pick from Toronto."
- dubc55

jesus christ can't we make a (frank)ing deal?

jesus christ can't we make a (frank)ing deal?
- 2Real

Chuck is still looking to trade for an over 30 player on a multiyear contract who plays a 200 ft game for the stretch run.

jesus christ can't we make a (frank)ing deal?
- 2Real

The JVR and Braun type trades are usually deadline day trades.

jesus christ can't we make a (frank)ing deal?
- 2Real

Somebody out there has to actually want what Chuck has to sell. He's not exactly sitting on a gold mine of movable pieces here.

Somebody out there has to actually want what Chuck has to sell. He's not exactly sitting on a gold mine of movable pieces here.
- Tomahawk

Konecny & JVR is the only guys GM's calling about. Flyers D guys to expensive vs performance.

Konecny & JVR is the only guys GM's calling about. Flyers D guys to expensive vs performance.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Braun is a RD though right? It gives him a leg up on any performance deficiency

I don't need to look anything up. You don't need to have the speed and skill to play modern hockey. You need speed and skill to play it really well but the Flyers aren't a good team anyway. So might as well teach the team to play the right way. The style to play doesn't give them the best chance to win. It is losing hockey. It's passive and non aggressive and doesn't create offense. Defending is losing hockey, no matter how well you do it. The Flyers don't do it well. They're one of the worst teams in the league in shot prevention. In the bottom 3rd in the league in scoring chances allowed. They're middle of the pack in GA mainly because of goaltending. No it's not all about defense in the late stages and into the playoffs. That is not correct. Modern day NHL is attack hockey. Possess the puck and play in the other teams end. That is how you defend in today's NHL. You have to play well defensively, manage the puck and get good goaltending but you don't win that way. You win by attacking and keeping the puck away from the other team. That's modern day NHL hockey.
- MJL

You say consistently that the team stinks, the players stink and the coach stinks and yet they are hovering around hockey 500 and probably will finish around hockey 500 without their best center, last years best winger and their best dman. Mind you I get a couple of those guys may never play again as who knows about selke, but it’s pretty obvious the coach is short handed here and for the most part the team has overachieved this year. I mean look at the centers has to choose from? This may be the worst group of centers they have had since Bobby Clarke was drafted. That’s not really an exaggeration.

You can run whatever modem system you want, but it’s not going to help their pp or their kill.

Their only issue I take w torts is their 3 on 3 play which btw even if they were 500 in the extra session thed be pushing for a playoff spot right now. Torts system and what they do 5 on 5 is the absolute least of their worries. You are arguing over paint colors when the house is flooding..

You say consistently that the team stinks, the players stink and the coach stinks and yet they are hovering around hockey 500 and probably will finish around hockey 500 without their best center, last years best winger and their best dman. Mind you I get a couple of those guys may never play again as who knows about selke, but it’s pretty obvious the coach is short handed here and for the most part the team has overachieved this year. I mean look at the centers has to choose from? This may be the worst group of centers they have had since Bobby Clarke was drafted. That’s not really an exaggeration.


- Joe Nardone

I keep reading how this team has overachieved. They haven't. They're about where they should be. This team has lost 34 games and won 22 games. They aren't a good team.

You can run whatever modem system you want, but it’s not going to help their pp or their kill.


- Joe Nardone

Disagree. Defending the blue line and adding some puck pressure could surely help the PK. They're too passive. PP, yea, that's a talent issue.

Their only issue I take w torts is their 3 on 3 play which btw even if they were 500 in the extra session thed be pushing for a playoff spot right now. Torts system and what they do 5 on 5 is the absolute least of their worries. You are arguing over paint colors when the house is flooding..
- Joe Nardone

Disagree. The Flyers don't play the right way. It's part of the problem. I get a kick out of those who say it's not an issue when they don't even know the problem exists because they don't know the difference. it's mind boggling how you can watch other teams easily gain the Flyers zone, then pass the puck around with ease to find shooting and passing lanes while the Flyers sit back passively and claim that its paint colors when the house is flooding. Talent is the Flyers biggest issue but the way they play is an issue as well. Not a small issue.

You say consistently that the team stinks, the players stink and the coach stinks and yet they are hovering around hockey 500 and probably will finish around hockey 500 without their best center, last years best winger and their best dman. Mind you I get a couple of those guys may never play again as who knows about selke, but it’s pretty obvious the coach is short handed here and for the most part the team has overachieved this year. I mean look at the centers has to choose from? This may be the worst group of centers they have had since Bobby Clarke was drafted. That’s not really an exaggeration.

You can run whatever modem system you want, but it’s not going to help their pp or their kill.

Their only issue I take w torts is their 3 on 3 play which btw even if they were 500 in the extra session thed be pushing for a playoff spot right now. Torts system and what they do 5 on 5 is the absolute least of their worries. You are arguing over paint colors when the house is flooding..
- Joe Nardone

You're being too kind when it comes to the centers. This team doesn't have a #1 or #2 center on this roster. They are by far the worst of the worst when it comes to center depth. This team would be a 10 win team if Tocchet was behind their bench.

I keep reading how this team has overachieved. They haven't. They're about where they should be. This team has lost 34 games and won 22 games. They aren't a good team.




Disagree. Defending the blue line and adding some puck pressure could surely help the PK. They're too passive. PP, yea, that's a talent issue.



Disagree. The Flyers don't play the right way. It's part of the problem. I get a kick out of those who say it's not an issue when they don't even know the problem exists because they don't know the difference. it's mind boggling how you can watch other teams easily gain the Flyers zone, then pass the puck around with ease to find shooting and passing lanes while the Flyers sit back passively and claim that its paint colors when the house is flooding. Talent is the Flyers biggest issue but the way they play is an issue as well. Not a small issue.
- MJL

This team has over achieved. We all talked about how this is a bottom 5 talented roster and look where we are. The stats only matter when they are in your favor and when they don’t matter it’s just nonsense

You're being too kind when it comes to the centers. This team doesn't have a #1 or #2 center on this roster. They are by far the worst of the worst when it comes to center depth. This team would be a 10 win team if Tocchet was behind their bench.
- Phillywhiteout

I agree they have played with a lot more structure and seem to have committed to what Torts wants….is it a dumb downed defensive zone coverage ? Somewhat. There’s really not that many d zone coverage schemes to start with. What I see is a more organized squad in their own end which I’m fine with. Could they be a bit more aggressive? Perhaps.
As far as Centre depth, they weren’t overly strong before Coots went down. They’ve asked a rookie winger to transition to C, simply because of how smart and detailed the kid is. Frost continues to progress, but in all honesty all Flyer fans should be hoping there’s another level there.

Braun is a RD though right? It gives him a leg up on any performance deficiency
- Aaron_85

I see your Leafs have started to address the physicality issue…good. Now address the D.

This team has over achieved. We all talked about how this is a bottom 5 talented roster and look where we are. The stats only matter when they are in your favor and when they don’t matter it’s just nonsense
- ClaudeFather

No they haven't. When you look at their roster and compare it. They're not a bottom 5 team. They're right about where they should be. What "we" talked about is irrelevant.

You always make these blanket statements such as this stats comment. Step to the plate and prove it. It's just more of the same with your false comment yesterday about hypocrisy. That was proven incorrect. If you want to accuse someone of something, bring something to the table that shows how. You won't be successful.

No they haven't. When you look at their roster and compare it. They're not a bottom 5 team. They're right about where they should be. What "we" talked about is irrelevant.

You always make these blanket statements such as this stats comment. Step to the plate and prove it. It's just more of the same with your false comment yesterday about hypocrisy. That was proven incorrect. If you want to accuse someone of something, bring something to the table that shows how. You won't be successful.
- MJL

You didn’t prove anything, it’s hilarious that you think your blanket statements prove anything. Prove to me they are not a bottom 5 talent roster, I’ll wait

You didn’t prove anything, it’s hilarious that you think your blanket statements prove anything. Prove to me they are not a bottom 5 talent roster, I’ll wait
- ClaudeFather

https://www.nhl.com/standings/2022/league


Now it's your turn to do what you won't do. Prove to me that they're a bottom 5 talent roster. I'll wait. You routinely ask others to do what you won't. I have no issue if you or anyone wants to disagree with me or tell me that I'm wrong. Don't just say it though. Offer up some reasoning why.

https://www.nhl.com/standings/2022/league


Now it's your turn to do what you won't do. Prove to me that they're a bottom 5 talent roster. I'll wait. You routinely ask others to do what you won't. I have no issue if you or anyone wants to disagree with me or tell me that I'm wrong. Don't just say it though. Offer up some reasoning why.
- MJL

So you believe that the Flyers have a more talented roster than Vancouver? Or could one team have over achieved and one under? Pretty simple concept, thanks for coming out

So you believe that the Flyers have a more talented roster than Vancouver? Or could one team have over achieved and one under? Pretty simple concept, thanks for coming out
- ClaudeFather

Just more questions. You haven't stepped to the plate and offered any reasoning. When challenged you run away. Tell me how and why they have overachieved. That's a pretty simple concept.

Just more questions. You haven't stepped to the plate and offered any reasoning. When challenged you run away. Tell me how and why they have overachieved. That's a pretty simple concept.
- MJL

Just questions you refuse to answer because you know youve been proved wrong

Just questions you refuse to answer because you know youve been proved wrong
- ClaudeFather

You have not offered a single fact to support your opinion. You never do. Vancouver has a better roster than the Flyers. The Flyers have a game in hand and are 8 points ahead of Vancouver. Canucks biggest issue is goaltending. They have poor goaltending due to the injury to Thatcher Demko, their main goalie who has only played 15 games this year. That's why they're where they are in the standings. Vancouver has underachieved for that reason.

So now tell me how the Vancouver situation points out that the Flyers have overachieved. Give me one fact. Prove me wrong. Here is your chance.