Dude. What the (frank)?
- Monkeypunk

Peter Gabriel song in tribute to the TSN monkey. (Those are the only lyrics I remember so if there’s some other poop going on, oops)

I agree

Would have rather paid another 2nd and a better prospect to get Meier..

Decide between Nylander and Meier in the off-season.

Trade and get picks back you lost.

Meier>Oreilly
- Canadianleaf

Lol ...wait til you see the price paid for Meier and Chychrun. This is naive.

Knies would have had to be in there on top of everything else.

As a guy who has regularly talked about the need to improve the bottom six and add some bite and physicality, I like the spirit of this trade...but that is a lot of picks. Let's hope it works out. I'd love to see them add a physical defender now, too.
- fifty__missions

You peel the trade back and its ..

Accairi for a 3rd
Prospect drafted in the 4th round for a 4th rounder
So a 1st and a 2nd for RoR.

Would have rather it had been the 24' first but this was the cost. They weren't negotiating in a vacuum so other teams must have been in there pushing the price.

Lets get our RoR jerseys on, drink something blue and ramp up our irrational Leaf-love fan behaviour.

Leafs now have best centre depth in the league, more gritty bottom six, didn’t lose any prospects that matter and still have some cap flexibility. Im ok. If UG was still around he could tell us just about how much we’re going to miss every pick between 26 and 32 that we're giving up but that’s just one more thing we miss about UG.
- Canada Cup

RoR was exactly who U.G. would have loved. He's Mike Peca reincarnated.

If Peca were dead.

Quite a shocker to wake up to! Lots of draft capital, but no decent prospects really.

I think ROR plays 3C and on the 2nd PP unit.

Does he play any PK minutes?

What about Acciari?

I think this sets up another move. Kerfoot, Kampf and Holmberg could be seen as surplus now.

Is there enough in the cupboards to upgrade 2LW or the defence?

I think there is. Can you move a combination of Jarnkrok, Holmberg, Niemela, prospects etc... For another swing at the fences?

Jarnkrok would only be included for an upgrade on 2LW though.

There's more to come. And I don't think it's a middling move.

You peel the trade back and its ..

Accairi for a 3rd
Prospect drafted in the 4th round for a 4th rounder
So a 1st and a 2nd for RoR.

Would have rather it had been the 24' first but this was the cost. They weren't negotiating in a vacuum so other teams must have been in there pushing the price.

Lets get our RoR jerseys on, drink something blue and ramp up our irrational Leaf-love fan behaviour.
- The Law

Acciari goes to equipment manager and asks for his regular #52. He’s told it’s not available. “Retired because of some Leaf legend?” “No, it’s just not available.”

Lol ...wait til you see the price paid for Meier and Chychrun. This is naive.

Knies would have had to be in there on top of everything else.
- The Law

As former President of the Meier fan club, I’m happy. Significant upgrade with no roster players lost and the outlook going forward is still good. Ultimately, Leafs’ future over next few years looks better than Boston or TBL in my view. This trade gives team credible shot at getting through first round at least without hurting them going forward.

Quite a shocker to wake up to! Lots of draft capital, but no decent prospects really.

I think ROR plays 3C and on the 2nd PP unit.

Does he play any PK minutes?

What about Acciari?

I think this sets up another move. Kerfoot, Kampf and Holmberg could be seen as surplus now.

Is there enough in the cupboards to upgrade 2LW or the defence?

I think there is. Can you move a combination of Jarnkrok, Holmberg, Niemela, prospects etc... For another swing at the fences?

Jarnkrok would only be included for an upgrade on 2LW though.

There's more to come. And I don't think it's a middling move.
- Leaffrog

Muzzin?

So is this the best centre depth the Leafs have ever had, or does Gilmour - Sundin - Muller still top it?

Discuss.

As former President of the Meier fan club, I’m happy. Significant upgrade with no roster players lost and the outlook going forward is still good. Ultimately, Leafs’ future over next few years looks better than Boston or TBL in my view. This trade gives team credible shot at getting through first round at least without hurting them going forward.
- Canada Cup

Ya, agreed. If Dubas went all in and paid the price for Meier then I'd have understood it as well. But he's either discovered that Knies, 23' firsts, +++ wasn't enough OR decided he didn't want to pay that price and preferred to roll the dice on RoR.

I'm sure he's done better scouting on what's going on with RoR then us so fingers crossed. The recency bias says Meier > RoR but if both are healthy and we're focused on this playoff run then RoR at his best is better than Meier.

So is this the best centre depth the Leafs have ever had, or does Gilmour - Sundin - Muller still top it?

Discuss.
- Atomic Wedgie

Probably a bit of a coin toss. Good comparison too b/c Quinn flipped Muller to the wing when/as needed and I think Keefe will do the same with RoR.

Another question: will they be in the lineup tonight?

RoR was exactly who U.G. would have loved. He's Mike Peca reincarnated.

If Peca were dead.
- The Law

lmao

i miss him and max so😭

Bo Horvat was perfectly available for weeks and months before hand and Dubas was sleeping at the wheel.

Parayko might have been available for that price, Chychrun and we'll see who else gets moved in the coming days and weeks. Guys with a long term contracts and under 30 are available all the time and the price the Leafs paid for a rental that you have to HOPE plays well just isn't a good gamble in my book.

I know I blamed Dubas earlier but the more I think about it, this trade seems more like Shanahan reaching over Dubas and making this move. If it doesn't work out, Dubas gets blamed and no extension after doing a 180 on a "no rental" speech recently.
- Rare_Jewel

I doubt Horvat was available for that price, nevermind Horvat and Accari (sp?), and not at that cap.

The trade isn't 3 picks for RoR, There is a lot more to it than that.

trades got foligno repeat written all over it
- twiztedmike

When we acquired Nick Foligno, he was 6 years removed from a 31 goal season where he had 73 points in 79 games - that was his best year. The year we acquired him he had 16pts in 42 games, but was also coming off of 3 consecutive years with less than .5 points per game - so you knew you were getting strictly a role player. He was also unfortunately injured, which isn't a predictable outcome.

O'Reilly is obviously not having a good year - with 19pts in 40 games, but in the past 3 years he had 58 (in 78), 54 (in 56) and 61 (in 71) and was, respectively, 4th, 5th and 3rd in Selke voting.

No one falls off a cliff that rapidly, so hopefully the change of scenery and the recent rest helps him elevate his play again. He is 32 (just turned 11 days ago), but that's 140 days younger than Tavares.

One a positive note - since returning from his injury, he has 2 goals and an assist in 3 games and is +4.

I don't think it's the Foligno trade - it's acquiring a veteran with a known defensive presence, but O'Reilly is a far superior player to Foligno.

Peter Gabriel song in tribute to the TSN monkey. (Those are the only lyrics I remember so if there’s some other poop going on, oops)
- Canada Cup

I was kidding. I'm familiar with Peter Gabriel and all things 80s music - the latter being much to the chagrin of my family who have to suffer through my 80s playlists on Spotify.

When we acquired Nick Foligno, he was 6 years removed from a 31 goal season where he had 73 points in 79 games - that was his best year. The year we acquired him he had 16pts in 42 games, but was also coming off of 3 consecutive years with less than .5 points per game - so you knew you were getting strictly a role player. He was also unfortunately injured, which isn't a predictable outcome.

O'Reilly is obviously not having a good year - with 19pts in 40 games, but in the past 3 years he had 58 (in 78), 54 (in 56) and 61 (in 71) and was, respectively, 4th, 5th and 3rd in Selke voting.

No one falls off a cliff that rapidly, so hopefully the change of scenery and the recent rest helps him elevate his play again. He is 32 (just turned 11 days ago), but that's 140 days younger than Tavares.

One a positive note - since returning from his injury, he has 2 goals and an assist in 3 games and is +4.

I don't think it's the Foligno trade - it's acquiring a veteran with a known defensive presence, but O'Reilly is a far superior player to Foligno.
- Monkeypunk

David Duval did.

Another question: will they be in the lineup tonight?
- Atomic Wedgie

ROR yes, Acciari may have visa issues to resolve. TBD

trades got foligno repeat written all over it
- twiztedmike

Yeah, I think that is the downside.

The difference is that it is far more likely RoR can play 3rd line center or 2nd line LW. Acciari is also a valuable pickup. They needed the depth and a bit more physicality from a guy who can actually play also.

I was kidding. I'm familiar with Peter Gabriel and all things 80s music - the latter being much to the chagrin of my family who have to suffer through my 80s playlists on Spotify.
- Monkeypunk

I’m just sensitive to being accused of crimes against humanity on here

Archaic
Rare jewel
Twiztedmike
Canadianleaf
Fake
- mr.sir

Updated

and the most important comps for Dubas ..

Playoffs

Foligno - 62gp 9g 15a
RoR - 64gp 22g 34a ...2019' MVP ....and 12p in 12gp just last year.

The recent injuries prior to the trades are the only comparison.

David Duval did.
- Atomic Wedgie

You're citing a guy who walked around swinging a stick at a stationary ball an athlete? You know the difference between him and those convicts who have to stab and pick up trash at the side of the road is that one is horrible person doing something good and the other is a golfer.

Yeah, I think that is the downside.

The difference is that it is far more likely RoR can play 3rd line center or 2nd line LW. Acciari is also a valuable pickup. They needed the depth and a bit more physicality from a guy who can actually play also.
- Aetherial

One of the Blues writers said Acciari could have just as much impact as ROR. Has been the Blues most consistent forward. High motor and physicality.

I’m just sensitive to being accused of crimes against humanity on here
- Canada Cup

Mute Strider.