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Gramps28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Double poop your best players everyone!, IL
Joined: 07.09.2014

Feb 22 @ 8:57 PM ET
Maybe flipping Mikkola? Idk. Save a million that way. Orrrrr Goodrow 😬idk. I just want him, it’s like waiting for xmas morning
- Slimtj100

rangers are gonna have to really sweeten the pot to get someone to take that contract. he is exactly the kind of guy you don't give that much term to on a contract.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Feb 22 @ 9:01 PM ET
rangers are gonna have to really sweeten the pot to get someone to take that contract. he is exactly the kind of guy you don't give that much term to on a contract.
- Gramps28

He’s a rental tho. They could include him

What about something like

Kane and lafferty (retentions figured out)

For Kravtsov, Leschysyn, Mikkola, a first and second (for lafferty). Probably one more piece. That may be the only way you get a first. Remember there is no other team for him, not being a dyck Hawks just don’t have much leverage
Gramps28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Double poop your best players everyone!, IL
Joined: 07.09.2014

Feb 22 @ 9:10 PM ET
He’s a rental tho. They could include him

What about something like

Kane and lafferty (retentions figured out)

For Kravtsov, Leschysyn, Mikkola, a first and second (for lafferty). That may be the only way you get a first. Remember there is no other team for him, not being a dyck Hawks just don’t have much leverage

- Slimtj100

You are misreading it. He will decide on one team AT a time. Not that he will only consider one team. Adding more garbage doesn't change the fact it is garbage. giroux got more as a rental and he WOULD only go to the panthers.
TommyGTrain
New York Rangers
Location: Part of NJ where its Taylor Ham not pork roll
Joined: 05.19.2017

Feb 22 @ 9:13 PM ET
i hope the rangers think they have a deal and kane says...haha nope. you wanted tarasenko more. especially if they think they are getting him for a 2nd and a 5th.
- Gramps28



You're only getting the extra 5th if Lafferty is coming our way too!
Gramps28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Double poop your best players everyone!, IL
Joined: 07.09.2014

Feb 22 @ 9:16 PM ET
You're only getting the extra 5th if Lafferty is coming our way too!
- TommyGTrain

i hope he goes to the team that beats the rangers and he scores the winning goal and all it cost that team is a 1st.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Feb 22 @ 9:17 PM ET
You are misreading it. He will decide on one team AT a time. Not that he will only consider one team. Adding more garbage doesn't change the fact it is garbage. giroux got more as a rental and he WOULD only go to the panthers.
- Gramps28

Let’s get him first and examine the trade. The rangers aren’t trading as much as you want I can tell you that.

I don’t believe he wants any other team. He’s basically petitioning to become a NYR
Gramps28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Double poop your best players everyone!, IL
Joined: 07.09.2014

Feb 22 @ 9:26 PM ET
Let’s get him first and examine the trade. The rangers aren’t trading as much as you want I can tell you that.

I don’t believe he wants any other team. He’s basically petitioning to become a NYR

- Slimtj100

rangers need to move a ton of salary even with the hawks retaining half. they have no space as it is rn and the cough drop won't be enough and goodrows' contract goes on forever.

i think you are seeing what you want to see. part of me thinks kane is dragging this on because he doesn't really want to get traded. allegedly the oilers have made a pitch. mcdavis and drysaddle are more attractive than uglyboy and breadman. especially since tarasenko and bread are butt buddies.
picklerick
New York Rangers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.01.2018

Feb 22 @ 9:29 PM ET
rangers need to move a ton of salary even with the hawks retaining half. they have no space as it is rn and the cough drop won't be enough and goodrows' contract goes on forever.

i think you are seeing what you want to see. part of me thinks kane is dragging this on because he doesn't really want to get traded. allegedly the oilers have made a pitch. mcdavis and drysaddle are more attractive than uglyboy and breadman. especially since tarasenko and bread are butt buddies.

- Gramps28


You're all over the place here but, and even though I know I'm pissing into the wind here, I'll bite. It's not 50% of Kane's cap because there would have to be another team to get his hit down to 25%. Yes, even then it's nearly impossible. As far as the other stuff goes... Do you I guess
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Feb 22 @ 9:30 PM ET
rangers need to move a ton of salary even with the hawks retaining half. they have no space as it is rn and the cough drop won't be enough and goodrows' contract goes on forever.

i think you are seeing what you want to see. part of me thinks kane is dragging this on because he doesn't really want to get traded. allegedly the oilers have made a pitch. mcdavis and drysaddle are more attractive than uglyboy and breadman. especially since tarasenko and bread are butt buddies.

- Gramps28

Oh jeez you’re a fifth grader, awesome
aecliptic
New York Rangers
Location: Stacheville
Joined: 06.17.2010

Feb 22 @ 9:32 PM ET
You're all over the place here but, and even though I know I'm pissing into the wind here, I'll bite. It's not 50% of Kane's cap because there would have to be another team to get his hit down to 25%. Yes, even then it's nearly impossible. As far as the other stuff goes... Do you I guess
- picklerick


Heres the thing, atleast from what I saw, because the Rangers have no one using their LTIR space, Kanes’s cap AAV is prorated. So his actual cap hit with all the retention is like 750k.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Feb 22 @ 9:34 PM ET
Heres the thing, atleast from what I saw, because the Rangers have no one using their LTIR space, Kanes’s cap AAV is prorated. So his actual cap hit with all the retention is like 750k.
- aecliptic

It’s very confusing, all of it. With the salaries. Just get him ffs and figure it out
picklerick
New York Rangers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.01.2018

Feb 22 @ 9:34 PM ET
Heres the thing, atleast from what I saw, because the Rangers have no one using their LTIR space, Kanes’s cap AAV is prorated. So his actual cap hit with all the retention is like 750k.
- aecliptic


Read @hockeystatminer’s thread on twitter and tell me what you think. He’s usually pretty good and it doesn’t sound like what you’re saying is the case. Idfk though. At this point I don’t even really care to. Whatever happens happens
Gramps28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Double poop your best players everyone!, IL
Joined: 07.09.2014

Feb 22 @ 9:37 PM ET
Oh jeez you’re a fifth grader, awesome
- Slimtj100

my work is done here.


we will see if he goes to ny and what the details end up being if it happens.
aecliptic
New York Rangers
Location: Stacheville
Joined: 06.17.2010

Feb 22 @ 9:38 PM ET
Read @hockeystatminer’s thread on twitter and tell me what you think. He’s usually pretty good and it doesn’t sound like what you’re saying is the case. Idfk though. At this point I don’t even really care to. Whatever happens happens
- picklerick


I was using capfriendly’s trade generator. When you hover over the cap, it specifically says something about not using LTIR and the cap hit being prorated for games already played. I dont know what the actual facts are with how it works.
picklerick
New York Rangers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.01.2018

Feb 22 @ 9:39 PM ET
I was using capfriendly’s trade generator. When you hover over the cap, it specifically says something about not using LTIR and the cap hit being prorated for games already played. I dont know what the actual facts are with how it works.
- aecliptic


It should be way more straightforward. Too many ins and outs and loopholes
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Feb 22 @ 9:39 PM ET
my work is done here.


we will see if he goes to ny and what the details end up being if it happens.

- Gramps28

Just be an adult ffs you came in here all uppity n poop. We like “foreigners”
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Feb 22 @ 9:43 PM ET
I was using capfriendly’s trade generator. When you hover over the cap, it specifically says something about not using LTIR and the cap hit being prorated for games already played. I dont know what the actual facts are with how it works.
- aecliptic

Isn’t there something if we trade for Towes too, and utilize the the LITR? Idk I thought I heard that would help get Kane
Gramps28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Double poop your best players everyone!, IL
Joined: 07.09.2014

Feb 22 @ 9:43 PM ET
Just be an adult ffs you came in here all uppity n poop. We like “foreigners”
- Slimtj100

i was (frank)ing around. but thinking kane is going to for a 2nd rd pick is not something anyone can take seriously. he is going to cost at least a 1st and a decent to middling prospect. like all rentals do.

and fwiw, davidson showed at the last TDL he will not trade a guy if he doesn't believe he is getting the value he wants. he let two rfa walk for nothing because he didn't get what he perceived their value to be. he sure as hell will let a UFa walk. cause if we are being serious, a late 1st round pick and a piece a poop prospect like those mentions will never be of equal value to kane as the player he is now.

it just makes it easier to sell to the fanbase and the people in above the GM.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Feb 22 @ 9:45 PM ET
i was (frank)ing around. but thinking kane is going to for a 2nd rd pick is not something anyone can take seriously. he is going to cost at least a 1st and a decent to middling prospect. like all rentals do.
- Gramps28

Ugly boy really? 🙄 lol

Yea let’s see what happens. It’s mutually exciting I’d think knowing you’ll get pieces for the future.

I had you getting Chytil about 2 months ago
aecliptic
New York Rangers
Location: Stacheville
Joined: 06.17.2010

Feb 22 @ 9:48 PM ET
Isn’t there something if we trade for Towes too, and utilize the the LITR? Idk I thought I heard that would help get Kane
- Slimtj100


Yea something about putting Toews on LITR gives the Rangers that amount of money in cap relief.
Gramps28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Double poop your best players everyone!, IL
Joined: 07.09.2014

Feb 22 @ 9:49 PM ET
Ugly boy really? 🙄 lol

Yea let’s see what happens. It’s mutually exciting I’d think knowing you’ll get pieces for the future.

I had you getting Chytil about 2 months ago

- Slimtj100

you can't deny he is ugly AF and i am not looking up how to spell his name. lol interesting that you knew who i meant.

you can also see my edit to the post.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Feb 22 @ 9:51 PM ET
you can't deny he is ugly AF and i am not looking up how to spell his name. lol interesting that you knew who i meant.

you can also see my edit to the post.

- Gramps28

Ok gotcha. Yea Zib is fugly

I personally have no problem giving up a first. But they are going to need to help us out with dumps then. Just the optics tell me they want to do right by Kane. He isn’t the RFA you talk about, he won them 3 cups they could do him a solid for that. Any GM being stubborn like that isn’t smart. It’s only hurting the organization doing that

If they can get Kane to agree next year to terms that would also help the return imo
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Feb 22 @ 9:53 PM ET
Yea something about putting Toews on LITR gives the Rangers that amount of money in cap relief.
- aecliptic

Seems like a long shot with that tho. I think they get Kane, flip Mikkola and find another LHD cheaper. Do this only in a last resort situation where they HAVE TO do it
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Feb 22 @ 9:58 PM ET
If they got Kane a 4th line of Vesey-Goodrow-Motte is perfect for me
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

Feb 22 @ 10:01 PM ET
If they got Kane a 4th line of Vesey-Goodrow-Motte is perfect for me
- TPC

Yea that’s an enormous part of all this. Injury someone moves up and you slide cuyyle in? Idk. It’s a no brainer really, and I still can’t believe how hard this is to sell
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