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Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Feb 27 @ 7:28 AM ET
Fletcher making moves!!
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Feb 27 @ 7:29 AM ET
have there ever been any notable future considerations?
- 2Real


Nothing ever goes back it’s just a good ole boy taking a contract off you
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Feb 27 @ 7:29 AM ET
GMs are playing chess and CF is eating lead painted Legos
- 2Real


jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 27 @ 7:31 AM ET
Imagine how Tampa's scouts feel lol. Worked all year, traveling around, compiling reports, spent hours in meetings, excited about one of the deeper drafts in recent memory... and then you see your GM trade all the picks for a bottom-six undrafted 26-yo.


- Tomahawk

I don't get it either ...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 27 @ 7:31 AM ET
Everyone should pay attention to the Devils because this is how you build a modern day contending NHL team. You bottom out for a few seasons in order to pick number 1 or 2 in multiple drafts, you make shrewd free agent signings and execute strong cap management so you can pull a deal for a 40 goal winger like Timo Meier. You look at the Devils cap situation, they have the bulk of their money tied to a strong core of top-end talent both up front and on defense, and those players are in their prime or coming into their prime. Hey Fletcher, that's how its done!
- jd250


What shrewd free agent signings are you referring to?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 27 @ 7:35 AM ET
Isn’t that what future considerations are? Lmmfao cf is soooooo bad. Cant even get a pick. Wait. Maybe philly doesn’t want cf to decide. Let the future gm work it out hahahahaahahahahhaahahahahaha
- SMS4016

Chuck needed the roster spot in case someone else goes on waivers .. there is the next Kiefer Bellows out there somewhere, and Fletcher wants him!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 27 @ 7:39 AM ET
Chuck needed the roster spot in case someone else goes on waivers .. there is the next Kiefer Bellows out there somewhere, and Fletcher wants him!
- jd250


People need to lay off about the Ratcliffe deal and rationalize it. He is a player that has struggled here and was no longer in the teams future plans. It's reasonable to assume that Fletcher shopped him around the league. No takers for a draft pick. Do the right thing and give the kid a chance to play somewhere else where maybe a change of scenery might help him. It frees up a contract spot. The question is will Ratclife succeed elsewhere?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 27 @ 7:42 AM ET
Everyone should pay attention to the Devils because this is how you build a modern day contending NHL team. You bottom out for a few seasons in order to pick number 1 or 2 in multiple drafts, you make shrewd free agent signings and execute strong cap management so you can pull a deal for a 40 goal winger like Timo Meier. You look at the Devils cap situation, they have the bulk of their money tied to a strong core of top-end talent both up front and on defense, and those players are in their prime or coming into their prime. Hey Fletcher, that's how its done!
- jd250

And I forgot to mention the Devils have Luke Hughes and Simon Nemec warming up in the bullpen to augment their defense for years to come. Who is realistically going to stop this team? This is why you bottom out, because that is the ONLY way you get top-end talent that you can afford to have a lot of!
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Feb 27 @ 7:42 AM ET
People need to lay off about the Ratcliffe deal and rationalize it. He is a player that has struggled here and was no longer in the teams future plans. It's reasonable to assume that Fletcher shopped him around the league. No takers for a draft pick. Do the right thing and give the kid a chance to play somewhere else where maybe a change of scenery might help him. It frees up a contract spot. The question is will Ratclife succeed elsewhere?
- MJL

Spot on, half the folks complaining are the same people who were trashing Ratcliffe. He wasn’t worth anything, Fletch did right by the player
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Feb 27 @ 7:57 AM ET
I don't suppose anyone is beating down the Flyers door for last year's "must have" players.

Nobody wants to give up 3 draft picks and $5 mill/yr for TDA? Shocking.
How about the Flyers steal of a 1st liner, DesLauriers? On pace for the same 13 points he had last year on the 4th line, it's a bargain.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Feb 27 @ 7:57 AM ET
People need to lay off about the Ratcliffe deal and rationalize it. He is a player that has struggled here and was no longer in the teams future plans. It's reasonable to assume that Fletcher shopped him around the league. No takers for a draft pick. Do the right thing and give the kid a chance to play somewhere else where maybe a change of scenery might help him. It frees up a contract spot. The question is will Ratclife succeed elsewhere?
- MJL


Agreed it was obviously a move to open a roster spot and move a player who was unhappy. The baffling part is the timing. This could of been done weeks ago when Ratcliffe was getting scratched day after day, but nah let's wait until trade frenzy happens to slide this one in.

Now Chuck has something to work with at his press conference.

"Yeah we made a few moves, but you know nothing felt right for anything else."

The Flyers are seriously the Brick Tamland of hockey.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Feb 27 @ 7:59 AM ET
Agreed it was obviously a move to open a roster spot and move a player who was unhappy. The baffling part is the timing. This could of been done weeks ago when Ratcliffe was getting scratched day after day, but nah let's wait until trade frenzy happens to slide this one in.

Now Chuck has something to work with at his press conference.

"Yeah we made a few moves, but you know nothing felt right for anything else."

The Flyers are seriously the Brick Tamland of hockey.

- Glak18

The trade deadline is a week away , really confused why so many folks are harping on this deal
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Feb 27 @ 8:00 AM ET
Spot on, half the folks complaining are the same people who were trashing Ratcliffe. He wasn’t worth anything, Fletch did right by the player
- ClaudeFather


100%. Obviously if you are a healthy scratch most of the year in the AHL, at his age and pedigree things just haven’t worked out. Give the kid a chance elsewhere.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Feb 27 @ 8:10 AM ET
The trade deadline is a week away , really confused why so many folks are harping on this deal
- ClaudeFather


Remember Ratcliffe was a 2nd round pick...that the Flyer ALSO spent additional assets to move up to draft. 3 picks I believe.

If that is confusing then take a seat next to Chuck.


Peter Richards
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Feb 27 @ 8:10 AM ET
Imagine how Tampa's scouts feel lol. Worked all year, traveling around, compiling reports, spent hours in meetings, excited about one of the deeper drafts in recent memory... and then you see your GM trade all the picks for a bottom-six undrafted 26-yo.


- Tomahawk


cal foote alone seemed like overpayment....then a first and 4 more picks.

not as worried about the ratcliffe trade. don't think anyone was giving up anything for him at this point and wouldn't have been resigned. maybe a change will do him well.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Feb 27 @ 8:15 AM ET
Remember Ratcliffe was a 2nd round pick...that the Flyer ALSO spent additional assets to move up to draft. 3 picks I believe.

If that is confusing then take a seat next to Chuck.

- Glak18

Where he was drafted has nothing to do with the player today
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 27 @ 8:21 AM ET
And I forgot to mention the Devils have Luke Hughes and Simon Nemec warming up in the bullpen to augment their defense for years to come. Who is realistically going to stop this team? This is why you bottom out, because that is the ONLY way you get top-end talent that you can afford to have a lot of!
- jd250
Plenty of teams are out there that can stop this team. Unfortunately the Flyers aren't one of them. They will probably play the Rags in the first round and could very easily be eliminated. Especially if the Rags get Kane. I wonder about the Devils toughness and goaltending. Jack Hughes plays pond hockey which is great in the regular season, but he better keep his head up come playoff time. Lots of young talent on that team, but I'll hold judgement on the juggernaut comments until playoff time.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 27 @ 8:28 AM ET
Someone told Tampa they couldnt do a Chuck Fletcher type deal. Tampa obliged. What a ridiculous haul for Jeannott. I get that Tampa still thinks its windows is open and maybe it is, but wow.
- MBFlyerfan

Can't imagine they wouldn't give up that package for Laughton. Flyers could have taken back a contract to make the money work.

Chuck has no interest in moving the core players. With all the winning they have done cant blame him. Amazing he has no interest in moving anyone of value.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 27 @ 8:29 AM ET
Everyone should pay attention to the Devils because this is how you build a modern day contending NHL team. You bottom out for a few seasons in order to pick number 1 or 2 in multiple drafts, you make shrewd free agent signings and execute strong cap management so you can pull a deal for a 40 goal winger like Timo Meier. You look at the Devils cap situation, they have the bulk of their money tied to a strong core of top-end talent both up front and on defense, and those players are in their prime or coming into their prime. Hey Fletcher, that's how its done!
- jd250

yet you want to keep hart tk and ivan. Comical.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 27 @ 8:31 AM ET
People need to lay off about the Ratcliffe deal and rationalize it. He is a player that has struggled here and was no longer in the teams future plans. It's reasonable to assume that Fletcher shopped him around the league. No takers for a draft pick. Do the right thing and give the kid a chance to play somewhere else where maybe a change of scenery might help him. It frees up a contract spot. The question is will Ratclife succeed elsewhere?
- MJL

who cares if he succeeds elsewhere. it wasn't happening here. No go on your rant how bad the development is and don't put any blame on the player.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 27 @ 8:43 AM ET
Plenty of teams are out there that can stop this team. Unfortunately the Flyers aren't one of them. They will probably play the Rags in the first round and could very easily be eliminated. Especially if the Rags get Kane. I wonder about the Devils toughness and goaltending. Jack Hughes plays pond hockey which is great in the regular season, but he better keep his head up come playoff time. Lots of young talent on that team, but I'll hold judgement on the juggernaut comments until playoff time.
- Phillywhiteout

I'm not necessarily talking about this season, but in seasons to come. The Devils need a solid goalie, but up front and on the back end, they are set up for years to come with a young, fast and highly skilled core group of players. They will be a fun team to watch, unlike our Flyers who again seem to refuse to tank with a generational draft staring them in the face! BTW, there was another option. The Flyers didn't need to extend Risto and trade and sign DeAngelo. And I think Calgary would have taken TK and Provorov in a deal to get Matthew Tkachuk instead of what they got from Florida which is clearly not working out so far for Calgary. Then how would this Flyers team look? A lot better IMO. But instead Fletcher takes himself out of contention for Tkachuk and Gaudreau, and now it appears he does not want Bedard, Fantilli or Carlsson either. But hey, we got Zac McEwen and Nick D, and Frost almost scored a goal last game .. and maybe Farabee and Couturier will come back from their major injuries, so all is good in Flyer land according to Chuckie!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 27 @ 8:46 AM ET
yet you want to keep hart tk and ivan. Comical.
- hello it's me 2050

I would like to keep them if I can, but I would move them if the right deal came around. For example, I would have had no problem with trading Provey and TK for Mathew Tkachuk, which I think Calgary might have considered. Given the franchises history with goalies, yes I would keep Hart no matter what until he shows me I shouldn't. I mean I like Provey and TK and would like to see them win as a Flyer, but if I can get a top-end talent like Tkachuk to me you have to make the trade.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 27 @ 8:50 AM ET
I'm not necessarily talking about this season, but in seasons to come. The Devils need a solid goalie, but up front and on the back end, they are set up for years to come with a young, fast and highly skilled core group of players. They will be a fun team to watch, unlike our Flyers who again seem to refuse to tank with a generational draft staring them in the face! BTW, there was another option. The Flyers didn't need to extend Risto and trade and sign DeAngelo. And I think Calgary would have taken TK and Provorov in a deal to get Matthew Tkachuk instead of what they got from Florida which is clearly not working out so far for Calgary. Then how would this Flyers team look? A lot better IMO. But instead Fletcher takes himself out of contention for Tkachuk and Gaudreau, and now it appears he does not want Bedard, Fantilli or Carlsson either. But hey, we got Zac McEwen and Nick D, and Frost almost scored a goal last game .. any maybe Farabee and Couturier will come back from their major injuries, so all is good in Flyer land according to Chuckie!
- jd250


This is the second time you've offered this crazy opinion that Calgary would've taken Provorov and Konecny instead of what they got from Florida. Seriously? Huberdeau was a two time 30 goal scorer, which Konceny has never done, and a hundred point scorer who just set an NHL record for most assists ever by a LW in an NHL season. Weegar is a significantly better defenseman than Provorov is. There is no way in a a bid against Florida that they would've taken that offer from the Flyers over the Florida offer.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Feb 27 @ 8:54 AM ET
I would like to keep them if I can, but I would move them if the right deal came around. For example, I would have had no problem with trading Provey and TK for Mathew Tkachuk, which I think Calgary might have considered. Given the franchises history with goalies, yes I would keep Hart no matter what until he shows me I shouldn't. I mean I like Provey and TK and would like to see them win as a Flyer, but if I can get a top-end talent like Tkachuk to me you have to make the trade.
- jd250

you trade all 3. They do not fit the flyers timeline. they will never win as flyers. You complain about getting high picks yet you want to keep hart and the others. Cant have it both ways.

Tkachuk also doesn't fit into the flyers time line. He is 25 and flyers away from any type of contention.

Who the hell are the flyers surpassing in the next 3-5 years to make the playoffs? The answer is no one.

Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 27 @ 8:55 AM ET
I'm not necessarily talking about this season, but in seasons to come. The Devils need a solid goalie, but up front and on the back end, they are set up for years to come with a young, fast and highly skilled core group of players. They will be a fun team to watch, unlike our Flyers who again seem to refuse to tank with a generational draft staring them in the face! BTW, there was another option. The Flyers didn't need to extend Risto and trade and sign DeAngelo. And I think Calgary would have taken TK and Provorov in a deal to get Matthew Tkachuk instead of what they got from Florida which is clearly not working out so far for Calgary. Then how would this Flyers team look? A lot better IMO. But instead Fletcher takes himself out of contention for Tkachuk and Gaudreau, and now it appears he does not want Bedard, Fantilli or Carlsson either. But hey, we got Zac McEwen and Nick D, and Frost almost scored a goal last game .. and maybe Farabee and Couturier will come back from their major injuries, so all is good in Flyer land according to Chuckie!
- jd250
Yeah, they are looking good for the future for sure. I will forever hate that team for ruining hockey in the mid 1990's with their boreass trap and Mr. Cheapshot POS Scott Stevens. They are fun to watch, but it's a shame that they really don't have any fans. They win a Cup and they parade it around in a parking lot in the middle of a swamp with 30,000 fans. Too close to Rags and Flyers country. FIRE CHUCK!!
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