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jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 26 @ 7:39 AM ET
Good to see Torts locking up the Jack Adams. 😁
- Tomahawk

garbage in .. garbage out! Torts has got the most out of what he had to work with.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 26 @ 7:49 AM ET
Good to know that your obsession with Torts is never ending. Eh what?
- Phillywhiteout


I wouldn't call it an obsession.

By the way, I'm still waiting for you to show me how I've backtracked on my opinions.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 26 @ 7:53 AM ET
I didn't see the game as I said, but I saw the Torts presser and he gave Desnoyers a very positive review. He had 14 minutes of ice time in his first game, so he must have been doing something right. On another note, I see that Angelo was a -4. I swear this guy is Yandle with a little better offensive upside.
- Phillywhiteout


Yandle was a -47 last year. He's bad defensively but not Yandle bad.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 26 @ 7:54 AM ET
garbage in .. garbage out! Torts has got the most out of what he had to work with.
- jd250


How do you know he has done this?
Peter Richards
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Feb 26 @ 8:13 AM ET
Alright, a game wed this week. Nothing but time to made trades. let's go
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 26 @ 8:27 AM ET
Alright, a game wed this week. Nothing but time to made trades. let's go
- Peter Richards
You really want Chuckles making lots of trades? I shudder at the thought to be honest.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 26 @ 8:30 AM ET
I wouldn't call it an obsession.

By the way, I'm still waiting for you to show me how I've backtracked on my opinions.

- MJL
Perhaps you didn't back track. You were just wrong and have trouble admitting it. The Coots contract was an albatross waiting to happen and it happened quickly with his bad back. You thought Myers would succeed in Tampa when he has proven over and over that he isn't an NHL defenseman. There are others I'm sure, but my foggy brain isn't fully functional this morning. I honestly still don't know what Frost is gonna be at the NHL level. The physical aspect of his game or lack thereof scares the hell out of me.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 26 @ 8:42 AM ET
Perhaps you didn't back track. You were just wrong and have trouble admitting it. The Coots contract was an albatross waiting to happen and it happened quickly with his bad back. You thought Myers would succeed in Tampa when he has proven over and over that he isn't an NHL defenseman. There are others I'm sure, but my foggy brain isn't fully functional this morning. I honestly still don't know what Frost is gonna be at the NHL level. The physical aspect of his game or lack thereof scares the hell out of me.
- Phillywhiteout


I don't think I was wrong about either situation. I'm glad though that you admitted you were wrong. I'll take that as an apology. You're also wrong again about what I thought about Myers. Frost for a smaller player does not have a lack of physical play.

If you're going to call someone out, be prepared to back it up. You obviously weren't.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 26 @ 8:50 AM ET
I don't think I was wrong about either situation. I'm glad though that you admitted you were wrong. I'll take that as an apology. You're also wrong again about what I thought about Myers. Frost for a smaller player does not have a lack of physical play.

If you're going to call someone out, be prepared to back it up. You obviously weren't.

- MJL
Huh? I didn't apologize or admit I was wrong. And now you are back tracking cause I certainly remember you saying that you liked the Coots contract and that Myers would most likely succeed in a place like Tampa. I will also have to disagree about Frost. When they play more physical teams he is overmatched and it seems quite obvious to me.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Feb 26 @ 8:54 AM ET
Alright, a game wed this week. Nothing but time to made trades. let's go
- Peter Richards


Still not sure who fits going forward. Fletch needs some more time. I know Bill doesn’t like the word incompetent but the definition from Websters “not having or showing the necessary skills to do something successfully” ….I personally think the term/word fits 100%. This is a Week where Fletcher has to engage with other GMs and if his last 3 years have taught us anything, Fletch’s inconsistency will be on full display.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 26 @ 8:55 AM ET
Huh? I didn't apologize or admit I was wrong. And now you are back tracking cause I certainly remember you saying that you liked the Coots contract and that Myers would most likely succeed in a place like Tampa. I will also have to disagree about Frost. When they play more physical teams he is overmatched and it seems quite obvious to me.
- Phillywhiteout


"Perhaps you didn't backtrack" I was trying to be gracious by taking it as an apology but since you now doubled down.

You crack me up. Again, how am I backtracking? What is wrong with you. I didn't say anything about the Couturier contract. Nor did I change anything I said about Myers in the past. Is it some fantasy world you live in where you invent your own reality?

Frost is not overmatched in any way.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Feb 26 @ 9:19 AM ET
I don’t want Cuckles making any trades. What I want is for Dave Scott to grow a pair and fire him and his fat ass sidekick today. And, if that chaw spitting fossil Bob Clarke doesn’t like it, block his phone and let him stew in Florida.

My memories of the Flyers go back to the early 70s and this is as bad as its ever been.

Incompetent GM
League’s worst developmental dept
League’s worst medical/training staff
An outdated and out of touch coach
A horrific roster devoid of top end talent
A weak prospect pool and no 2nd round picks til the 2nd coming.

It’s an absolute disgrace. For the love of God, please stop buying tickets, stop buying merch and stop watching games. An empty arena and a massive loss in revenue is the only thing that will ever get Comcast’s attention.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 26 @ 9:23 AM ET
I don’t want Cuckles making any trades. What I want is for Dave Scott to grow a pair and fire him and his fat ass sidekick today. And, if that chaw spitting fossil Bob Clarke doesn’t like it, block his phone and let him stew in Florida.

My memories of the Flyers go back to the early 70s and this is as bad as its ever been.

Incompetent GM
League’s worst developmental dept
League’s worst medical/training staff
An outdated and out of touch coach
A horrific roster devoid of top end talent
A weak prospect pool and no 2nd round picks til the 2nd coming.

It’s an absolute disgrace. For the love of God, please stop buying tickets, stop buying merch and stop watching games. An empty arena and a massive loss in revenue is the only thing that will ever get Comcast’s attention.

- BiggE


What are you talking about? Get a few players back from injury, spend some cap space and this team is right back in it! We have a coach that should win the Jack Adams award hands down. A GM that has built a quality team beset by bad luck. Just need another Summer of wheeling and dealing to put this team right back on the path to the Cup!
Briere
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2011

Feb 26 @ 9:24 AM ET
What are you talking about? Get a few players back from injury, spend some cap space and this team is right back in it! We have a coach that should win the Jack Adams award hands down. A GM that has built a quality team beset by bad luck. Just need another Summer of wheeling and dealing to put this team right back on the path to the Cup!
- MJL


you forgot that we also changed the culture.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 26 @ 9:27 AM ET
you forgot that we also changed the culture.
- Briere


Thanks you're right!
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Feb 26 @ 9:30 AM ET
Thank you're right!

- MJL

Yeah, can’t forget that swell culture change!
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 26 @ 9:40 AM ET
I don’t want Cuckles making any trades. What I want is for Dave Scott to grow a pair and fire him and his fat ass sidekick today. And, if that chaw spitting fossil Bob Clarke doesn’t like it, block his phone and let him stew in Florida.

My memories of the Flyers go back to the early 70s and this is as bad as its ever been.

Incompetent GM
League’s worst developmental dept
League’s worst medical/training staff
An outdated and out of touch coach
A horrific roster devoid of top end talent
A weak prospect pool and no 2nd round picks til the 2nd coming.

It’s an absolute disgrace. For the love of God, please stop buying tickets, stop buying merch and stop watching games. An empty arena and a massive loss in revenue is the only thing that will ever get Comcast’s attention.

- BiggE


I think at least half of this post is an overreaction. I’ll give you Fletcher being an incompetent GM but we need to see the James van Riemsdyk return. Carter Hart, Samuel Ersson, Owen Tippett, Wade Allison, Cam York, Morgan Frost and Noah Cates are having good (not great) seasons. Now we have to see what Tyson Foerster, Cutter Gauthier, Elliot Desnoyers, Bobby Brink, Egor Zamula, Ronnie Attard and Adam Ginning have to offer. It’s not like the Flyers have absolutely nothing to offer and everything that comes through the pipeline is an absolute flop.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Feb 26 @ 9:43 AM ET
garbage in .. garbage out! Torts has got the most out of what he had to work with.
- jd250

You really have to stop with the Jack Adams stuff. Believe whatever you want but there are just stances you might wanna let go of.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 26 @ 9:50 AM ET
"Perhaps you didn't backtrack" I was trying to be gracious by taking it as an apology but since you now doubled down.

You crack me up. Again, how am I backtracking? What is wrong with you. I didn't say anything about the Couturier contract. Nor did I change anything I said about Myers in the past. Is it some fantasy world you live in where you invent your own reality?

Frost is not overmatched in any way.

- MJL
I disagree on all counts and this convo might as well end cause we are getting nowhere. Everyone is living in a fantasy according to you. You indeed said both those things that I mentioned. You liked the Coots contract (AAV) and you also fancied Myers skills. Frost indeed looks overmatched against better checking teams and Hexy sucks as a GM too.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Feb 26 @ 9:51 AM ET
I think at least half of this post is an overreaction. I’ll give you Fletcher being an incompetent GM but we need to see the James van Riemsdyk return. Carter Hart, Samuel Ersson, Owen Tippett, Wade Allison, Cam York, Morgan Frost and Noah Cates are having good (not great) seasons. Now we have to see what Tyson Foerster, Cutter Gauthier, Elliot Desnoyers, Bobby Brink, Egor Zamula, Ronnie Attard and Adam Ginning have to offer. It’s not like the Flyers have absolutely nothing to offer and everything that comes through the pipeline is an absolute flop.
- SuperSchennBros


Truth is some of these guys are having good seasons….but good seasons in Flyer land is different from what was considered good 20 years ago. The bar is much lower. Good for us now is showing the ability to play in this league. I agree we have to hope some of these prospects hit, but the Flyers over the last 10 years have really not done a very good job over all with development. Our expectations are lower now.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 26 @ 9:55 AM ET
I disagree on all counts and this convo might as well end cause we are getting nowhere. Everyone is living in a fantasy according to you. You indeed said both those things that I mentioned. You liked the Coots contract (AAV) and you also fancied Myers skills. Frost indeed looks overmatched against better checking teams and Hexy sucks as a GM too.

- Phillywhiteout


There seems to be a comprehension issue with you. I said a lot of things about Myers and about Couturier. You keep saying that I've backtracked on things when I clearly haven't. I've given you multiple opportunities to show how. Frost is in his 2nd full NHL season and is progressing. He is not overmatched.

Bottom line is that your comment about backtracking and now the Hextall comment is just childish. You didn't like a comment I made so you respond with this nonsense. Rather than actually address the comment made.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 26 @ 10:11 AM ET
There seems to be a comprehension issue with you. I said a lot of things about Myers and about Couturier. You keep saying that I've backtracked on things when I clearly haven't. I've given you multiple opportunities to show how. Frost is in his 2nd full NHL season and is progressing. He is not overmatched.

Bottom line is that your comment about backtracking and now the Hextall comment is just childish. You didn't like a comment I made so you respond with this nonsense. Rather than actually address the comment made.

- MJL

...Now I'm back to childish again cause I have the audacity to disagree with you! Some things never change.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 26 @ 10:14 AM ET
...Now I'm back to childish again cause I have the audacity to disagree with you! Some things never change.
- Phillywhiteout


Again, a comprehension issue. I haven't said anything about you disagreeing with me. The issue is that you've repeatedly said that I've backtracked on past comments and have failed to provide the evidence of it. I couldn't care less if you disagree with me. I welcome the conversation if you provide anything of substance. I clearly stated that what is childish is the backtracking and the Hextall comment. Not for disagreeing.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Feb 26 @ 10:14 AM ET
There seems to be a comprehension issue with you. I said a lot of things about Myers and about Couturier. You keep saying that I've backtracked on things when I clearly haven't. I've given you multiple opportunities to show how. Frost is in his 2nd full NHL season and is progressing. He is not overmatched.

Bottom line is that your comment about backtracking and now the Hextall comment is just childish. You didn't like a comment I made so you respond with this nonsense. Rather than actually address the comment made.

- MJL
As far as Frost goes I think it is a mixed bag. He excels against teams that don't check like the Oilers, Habs and Desert Dogs, and then he disappears against the better checking teams (better teams in general). Didn't see the game last night, but I see that he was a -3. No surprise there whatsoever.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 26 @ 10:17 AM ET
As far as Frost goes I think it is a mixed bag. He excels against teams that don't check like the Oilers, Habs and Desert Dogs, and then he disappears against the better checking teams (better teams in general). Didn't see the game last night, but I see that he was a -3. No surprise there whatsoever.
- Phillywhiteout


I dispelled that myth previously as about half of Frost's point production has come against better teams.

The Flyers lost 7-0 last night. Tippett, Seeler, Ristolainen and Laughton were also a -3. Angelo was a -4.
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