Interesting isn't it;

A week or two ago, Kane was going to help the Hawks out.

Now a couple days from the trade deadline lots of rumors that its a poopty trade for Hawks, he's sitting out games, nothing happening, he put KD in a bad position, etc, etc.

See comments all over the internet like, its getting old, move on, thanks for the cups, don't let the door hit you in the ass............

Amazing how sentiment can change in a week. He comes across looking spoiled and selfish, and ungrateful in many peoples eye.

I just read in the Buffalo blog that they traded for Riley Stillman from Vancouver. Does this mean that Murphy to Buffalo is dead (if it was even alive to begin with)?

with how hard its going to be to move term next year without retention. IE worse then this year. if you can move murph to anybody without retention without regard to return I do it.

he has been for the most part healthy and played OK, but that is not really typical.

look how underwhleming the return was for Lafferty and McCabe? and soon to be Kane.

with how hard its going to be to move term next year without retention. IE worse then this year. if you can move murph to anybody without retention without regard to return I do it.

he has been for the most part healthy and played OK, but that is not really typical.

look how underwhleming the return was for Lafferty and McCabe? and soon to be Kane.
- kmw4631

Man I disagree with all of this. Murphy is awful, always. The return for Lafferty, a bottom 6 grinder who we got for next to nothing, and McCabe, a slow bottom four guy who was in over his head… was a first and a second. You take that every day.

Interesting isn't it;

A week or two ago, Kane was going to help the Hawks out.

Now a couple days from the trade deadline lots of rumors that its a poopty trade for Hawks, he's sitting out games, nothing happening, he put KD in a bad position, etc, etc.

See comments all over the internet like, its getting old, move on, thanks for the cups, don't let the door hit you in the ass............

Amazing how sentiment can change in a week. He comes across looking spoiled and selfish, and ungrateful in many peoples eye.
- vabeachbear

I think that's my favorite part, weather it be from Rags fans or Hawk fans.

To your other points, the word fickle comes to mind.

with how hard its going to be to move term next year without retention. IE worse then this year. if you can move murph to anybody without retention without regard to return I do it.

he has been for the most part healthy and played OK, but that is not really typical.

look how underwhleming the return was for Lafferty and McCabe? and soon to be Kane.
- kmw4631

Kane possibly yes once we hear the actual trade, but like someone said earlier (LA?), if someone told you at the beginning of the season, KD would eventually swing a deal that netted a second for Lafferty (decent bottom 6 player, 4th liner on a good team) and a 1st for McCabe, you wouldn't take that all day long?

With J. Johnson, McCabe, Lafferty, and Kane gone it highlights how terrible Murphy, Athanasiou, Tinordi, and Khaira really are. And how good Domi is (for $3 mil).

Please do not bring back Athanasiou, Khaira, C. Jones, and Tinordi next year.

Any initial impressions on Englund (UFA) or Anderson (RFA). I imagine they resign Anderson because of RFA rights and our lack of forward depth. Englund only has 70 NHL games of experience. Maybe they sign him to a cheap contract. He has size and seems to move himself and the puck pretty well. He has to be as good as (better than) C. Jones. He can float between Rockford and the Hawks. Maybe LR and Sorensen can help him figure it out.

I just read in the Buffalo blog that they traded for Riley Stillman from Vancouver. Does this mean that Murphy to Buffalo is dead (if it was even alive to begin with)?
- powerenforcer

Yes. Murphy to Buffalo is dead. But now Murphy to Vancouver is possible. (red font)

with how hard its going to be to move term next year without retention. IE worse then this year. if you can move murph to anybody without retention without regard to return I do it.

he has been for the most part healthy and played OK, but that is not really typical.

look how underwhleming the return was for Lafferty and McCabe? and soon to be Kane.
- kmw4631

I think to move Murphy you would have to retain salary and add a sweetener. Probably not going to happen. But he is hard to watch. Every dman he is partnered with looks worse too.

With J. Johnson, McCabe, Lafferty, and Kane gone it highlights how terrible Murphy, Athanasiou, Tinordi, and Khaira really are. And how good Domi is (for $3 mil).

Please do not bring back Athanasiou, Khaira, C. Jones, and Tinordi next year.

Any initial impressions on Englund (UFA) or Anderson (RFA). I imagine they resign Anderson because of RFA rights and our lack of forward depth. Englund only has 70 NHL games of experience. Maybe they sign him to a cheap contract. He has size and seems to move himself and the puck pretty well. He has to be as good as (better than) C. Jones. He can float between Rockford and the Hawks. Maybe LR and Sorensen can help him figure it out.
- -Doh-

Does it really matter who they bring back next year? Even though there is no Bedard in '24, it looks like the plan will be to be bad again which has kind of been the plan all along.

From everything KD has said and so far his actions have been in synch with his mouth, is that the Hawks aren't taking any shortcuts and they will build through the draft.

Some of those guys might be back next year and I'm sure Davidson will be trying to sign others to one year or short term deals to fill a roster with a few of the Hogs (Reichel, maybe Guttman and some of the dmen).

If they get Bedard, maybe that changes who they target in FA to a degree but still see them looking at mostly bargain players they can flip at the TDL for at least another year.

With J. Johnson, McCabe, Lafferty, and Kane gone it highlights how terrible Murphy, Athanasiou, Tinordi, and Khaira really are. And how good Domi is (for $3 mil).

Please do not bring back Athanasiou, Khaira, C. Jones, and Tinordi next year.

Any initial impressions on Englund (UFA) or Anderson (RFA). I imagine they resign Anderson because of RFA rights and our lack of forward depth. Englund only has 70 NHL games of experience. Maybe they sign him to a cheap contract. He has size and seems to move himself and the puck pretty well. He has to be as good as (better than) C. Jones. He can float between Rockford and the Hawks. Maybe LR and Sorensen can help him figure it out.
- -Doh-

Englund played just as well as Mc Cabe has been playing, albeit all we have is his 17 minutes of ice time.

I think to move Murphy you would have to retain salary and add a sweetener. Probably not going to happen. But he is hard to watch. Every dman he is partnered with looks worse too.
- -Doh-

Not gonna defend Murphy. He is an average D-man, nothing more. But c'mon, J. Johnson, Tinordi, C. Jones, etc. are just bad. The pairing with Murphy is not what makes them bad or worse than they already are.

He always has a choice.
- vabeachbear

No question he has a choice. I was having trouble falling asleep last night after the game so my mind was wandering. What would I do if I were KD.

As I was having notions I came up with this. If PK waives I tell Drury nothing you have or are willing to give up is worth PK. So I would let him go for any 1st round pick until 2030. If we take a pick in the near future it doesn't figure to be very high. But as time goes by the hawks should be on the rise and the Rags might be on the decline making that pick higher. Could come in real handy in say six years. What might that pick be worth in trade? Perhaps a guy who helps put you over the top.

As fun as PK is to watch for most of us on a game to game basis it would be sweet to see him in the playoffs again. If nothing else hopefully KD can gain some street cred with the players and/or GM's that would help him in the future.

Does it really matter who they bring back next year? Even though there is no Bedard in '24, it looks like the plan will be to be bad again which has kind of been the plan all along.

From everything KD has said and so far his actions have been in synch with his mouth, is that the Hawks aren't taking any shortcuts and they will build through the draft.

Some of those guys might be back next year and I'm sure Davidson will be trying to sign others to one year or short term deals to fill a roster with a few of the Hogs (Reichel, maybe Guttman and some of the dmen).

If they get Bedard, maybe that changes who they target in FA to a degree but still see them looking at mostly bargain players they can flip at the TDL for at least another year.
- HawkintheD

I think it does matter. Instead of bringing back players you know are bad at hockey, sign or trade for players that have potential to be slightly better and maybe trade chips at the next TDL. Domi, Lafferty, Raddysh, and D!ckinson are decent hockey players, maybe even Andersen and Englund. Who knows? We do know AA, Khaira, C. Jones are not good hockey players, will not get better, and have no trade value. Even making a few wise decisions by adding decent players the Hawks are likely one of the 4 worst teams again next year.

Not gonna defend Murphy. He is an average D-man, nothing more. But c'mon, J. Johnson, Tinordi, C. Jones, etc. are just bad. The pairing with Murphy is not what makes them bad or worse than they already are.
- TheTrob

If Makar were paired with Murphy, Makar would look average. Ugh!

No question he has a choice. I was having trouble falling asleep last night after the game so my mind was wandering. What would I do if I were KD.

As I was having notions I came up with this. If PK waives I tell Drury nothing you have or are willing to give up is worth PK. So I would let him go for any 1st round pick until 2030. If we take a pick in the near future it doesn't figure to be very high. But as time goes by the hawks should be on the rise and the Rags might be on the decline making that pick higher. Could come in real handy in say six years. What might that pick be worth in trade? Perhaps a guy who helps put you over the top.

As fun as PK is to watch for most of us on a game to game basis it would be sweet to see him in the playoffs again. If nothing else hopefully KD can gain some street cred with the players and/or GM's that would help him in the future.
- 6628

C'Mon, IF PK waives. He has already waived, KD is trying to save both his and Kane's behind for the way Kane handled it, and to be quite frank that KD let him get away with it.

In my opinion at some point (probably around when the Rangers got Tarasanko, IKD should of told Kane, hey it's your decision, but crap or get off the pot. You want to be moved, I have a deal. You dawdle anymore and you can go to FA at the end of the year.

with how hard its going to be to move term next year without retention. IE worse then this year. if you can move murph to anybody without retention without regard to return I do it.

he has been for the most part healthy and played OK, but that is not really typical.

look how underwhleming the return was for Lafferty and McCabe? and soon to be Kane.
- kmw4631

A first and a second underwhelming? The problem is you listened to a few posters here who were suggesting totally unrealistic returns. Like two firsts for McCabe and a second and a prospect for Lafferty? I think KD did very well for two players who had absolutely no future in Chicago.

A first and a second underwhelming? The problem is you listened to a few posters here who were suggesting totally unrealistic returns. Like two firsts for McCabe and a second and a prospect for Lafferty? I think KD did very well for two players who had absolutely no future in Chicago.
- paulr

Yes

As time moves forward it will be interesting to see the juxtaposition of the previous Bowman regime vs. the one that came before him and the one that is now in place after him. In no other place than on Defense can we see just how bad Bowman, et. al. were at evaluating, selecting and acquiring D.

The bulk of the Hawks D thru the cup years had nothing to do with Bowman. Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson all drafted pre-Stan, Oduya being his one decent pick up. Looking at Stan, there is a string of failed draft picks, acquisitions, etc. such as:
Rundblad, Daley, Timonen, J. Johnson, Olsen, Clendening, Scott, Campoli, Krys, Beaudin, C. Jones, etc. and maybe giving up too early on guys like Rutta, Forsling, Kempny, Jokiharju, Boqvist who have been effective elsewhere. The contracts given to Murphy and McCabe are a bit high, but I guess thats the going rate for #4-6 D-men, its surprising that more people haven't been able to make the correlation that maybe the reason neithers team has played in meaningful playoff games is maybe because of.....them. The S. Jones deal is bad for both money and term, especially given his level of play. Time will tell how Stan picks like Vlassic, Allan, Kaiser do.

It will take a few years to evaluate how KD is at amassing/evaluating D talent, but at least we can see that he is cleaning some of the Stan detritus out, though can't really explain how C. Jones pulls a regular shift and minutes.

As time moves forward it will be interesting to see the juxtaposition of the previous Bowman regime vs. the one that came before him and the one that is now in place after him. In no other place than on Defense can we see just how bad Bowman, et. al. were at evaluating, selecting and acquiring D.

The bulk of the Hawks D thru the cup years had nothing to do with Bowman. Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson all drafted pre-Stan, Oduya being his one decent pick up. Looking at Stan, there is a string of failed draft picks, acquisitions, etc. such as:
Rundblad, Daley, Timonen, J. Johnson, Olsen, Clendening, Scott, Campoli, Krys, Beaudin, C. Jones, etc. and maybe giving up too early on guys like Rutta, Forsling, Kempny, Jokiharju, Boqvist who have been effective elsewhere. The contracts given to Murphy and McCabe are a bit high, but I guess thats the going rate for #4-6 D-men, its surprising that more people haven't been able to make the correlation that maybe the reason neithers team has played in meaningful playoff games is maybe because of.....them. The S. Jones deal is bad for both money and term, especially given his level of play. Time will tell how Stan picks like Vlassic, Allan, Kaiser do.

It will take a few years to evaluate how KD is at amassing/evaluating D talent, but at least we can see that he is cleaning some of the Stan detritus out, though can't really explain how C. Jones pulls a regular shift and minutes.
- TheTrob

TBF to C. Jones the last 5 games he has played well, with increased responsibility. But i get it, he is to the point with most of the fan base that no matter whether he plays good or not, he will always be horrible.

As time moves forward it will be interesting to see the juxtaposition of the previous Bowman regime vs. the one that came before him and the one that is now in place after him. In no other place than on Defense can we see just how bad Bowman, et. al. were at evaluating, selecting and acquiring D.

The bulk of the Hawks D thru the cup years had nothing to do with Bowman. Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson all drafted pre-Stan, Oduya being his one decent pick up. Looking at Stan, there is a string of failed draft picks, acquisitions, etc. such as:
Rundblad, Daley, Timonen, J. Johnson, Olsen, Clendening, Scott, Campoli, Krys, Beaudin, C. Jones, etc. and maybe giving up too early on guys like Rutta, Forsling, Kempny, Jokiharju, Boqvist who have been effective elsewhere. The contracts given to Murphy and McCabe are a bit high, but I guess thats the going rate for #4-6 D-men, its surprising that more people haven't been able to make the correlation that maybe the reason neithers team has played in meaningful playoff games is maybe because of.....them. The S. Jones deal is bad for both money and term, especially given his level of play. Time will tell how Stan picks like Vlassic, Allan, Kaiser do.

It will take a few years to evaluate how KD is at amassing/evaluating D talent, but at least we can see that he is cleaning some of the Stan detritus out, though can't really explain how C. Jones pulls a regular shift and minutes.
- TheTrob

It’s very hard to compare the two GMs. Yes to this point KD is showing to be much more adept at drafting and building a team, although he hasn’t built a team just yet. Also part of building has an element of luck, ie: drafting first overall and getting a potential superstar, finding a gem later in the draft and getting a Duncan Keith. Bowman balanced cap problems while finding the right guys to win an additional two championships. Bowman’s task wasn’t to stock pile the prospect cupboard, but to try to keep winning. KD is tasked with building a team from the ground up.

TBF to C. Jones the last 5 games he has played well, with increased responsibility. But i get it, he is to the point with most of the fan base that no matter whether he plays good or not, he will always be horrible.
- LAHawk

Played well as compared to what baseline? Yes, if compared to the previous 100ish games in a Hawks uniform, it was better. He has been averaging 2nd pairing minutes. If comparing him to an "average" #4D, he is just bad.

I guess its all perception. Take McCabe for example, his first season and a half here was bad. Thankfully he improved, at least in the casual observers eyes, enough to warrant a decent return in a trade.

Man I disagree with all of this. Murphy is awful, always. The return for Lafferty, a bottom 6 grinder who we got for next to nothing, and McCabe, a slow bottom four guy who was in over his head… was a first and a second. You take that every day.
- ObeseOprah

I'm just glad the analytic crowd loved McCabe this year, otherwise i don't think we get what we get from the Leafs

TBF to C. Jones the last 5 games he has played well, with increased responsibility. But i get it, he is to the point with most of the fan base that no matter whether he plays good or not, he will always be horrible.
- LAHawk

I agree that C. Jones has played better. But almost every game there are 3 or 4 shifts when you say to yourself "where is Caleb going", "what was Caleb thinking" or "why is Caleb on the wrong side of the play". If we resign him to a one year deal as a 6th or 7th defender it would not be the worst thing in the world, as long he is not blocking a prospect. In fact it could be good if it prevents the prospect from being rushed or it gives the prospect more time to marinate at the Rock. Who knows if he actually does get better he could have trade value at the next TDL. (but please nothing longer than a very cheap one year contract.)

I'm just glad the analytic crowd loved McCabe this year, otherwise i don't think we get what we get from the Leafs
- BetweenTheDots

JFC, you were the guy posting McCabe would bring back two firsts.