Speaking of development issues in this organization. To memory, the only 2 players to memory since 1999 that I felt developed to their highest potential were Simon Gagne and Claude Giroux. Am I wrong?

Jeff Carter as a sniper hit 40 plus once and never sniffed anything remotely close to it since. I felt Couturier took along to develop his offense. Laughton’s road to the NHL at all was a long one. Provorov and Konency I keep waiting for more from. Agree or disagree? Should we have gotten more out of these players?
- SuperSchennBros

Coots was held back by Chief's lineup decisions/usage, otherwise he's easily hit his career potential. I'd argue that Laughts hit his (meager) potential too.

Guys like Sharp, JWill and Bob... if they had stayed in the Flyers system I doubt any of them would have hit their ceilings. The Flyers did Carter and Richards no favors by letting them run rampant. Dry Island came too late.

Gotta give Fletcher credit. He has the ability to be one heck of a politician if he chooses a career path change to distort reality.

There doesn't have to be a name. The Flyers have a list of young players that would be better to give a shot to. Again, should the Flyers in their position be leaving roster spots open for young players to compete for a spot. Or taking on players like Greenway for 3M a year? Again, this is not hard.
- MJL

If it's "not hard" than just name one of these players in the organization you're referring to. Literally just name one. You've had several opportunities and just keep re-typing the same sentences over and over again.

So again, I'll state that EVEN IF one of Foerster, Desnoyers, or Brink are ready for top 9 time next year, none of them are the kind of player Greenway is.

Coots was held back by Chief's lineup decisions/usage, otherwise he's easily hit his career potential. I'd argue that Laughts hit his (meager) potential too.

Guys like Sharp, JWill and Bob... if they had stayed in the Flyers system I doubt any of them would have hit their ceilings. The Flyers did Carter and Richards no favors by letting them run rampant. Dry Island came too late.
- Tomahawk

Are you sure about Couturier? He saw almost zero time in the AHL. When you have Giroux at center, nobody was gonna top G but I do think Couturier saw second line duties under Berube, no?

Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Couturier-Simmonds

??

Are you sure about Couturier? He saw almost zero time in the AHL. When you have Giroux at center, nobody was gonna top G but I do think Couturier saw second line duties under Berube, no?

Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Couturier-Simmonds

??
- SuperSchennBros

Schenn lacavalier simmonds was the second line

This roster will (hopefully) look very different this time next year in terms of personnel and cap commitments. So while I technically agree with you right now, the hope is that by next fall what your saying isn't true at all.


- mochoson

It will be true. The Flyers will not be significantly better next year.

The Flyers went from being last in the league to winning the Conference finals once. I'm not expecting such a drastic improvement by next season, but there needs to be a concerted effort to ice a better team next year. It seems hard to believe right now, but I want the Flyers every year to at least strive to be a bubble team if theyre not quite ready to "contend".


- mochoson

Different time and situation. Not going to happen. This team is looking at a 5 -10 year journey to becoming a legit contender. They can get incrementally better in those years but it's not going to be quick unless they get really lucky with a few draft picks.

If Hayes and say one of Provorov, DeAngelo, or Sanheim are moved, no one is even going to notice Greenway's +3mil because our cap situation will be vastly improved. Your concern isn't completely falling on deaf ears. I get in general what youre saying.
- mochoson

Moving another player does not in any way justify acquiring Greenway. It is a mistake.

Just a reminder that there's no leash for posts that break the CoC on deadline day. People will just get a time out and you can enjoy the discussion from the sidelines.
- Aaron_85

Bus patrol? Hall monitor?

If it's "not hard" than just name one of these players in the organization you're referring to. Literally just name one. You've had several opportunities and just keep re-typing the same sentences over and over again.

So again, I'll state that EVEN IF one of Foerster, Desnoyers, or Brink are ready for top 9 time next year, none of them are the kind of player Greenway is.
- mochoson

It's not necessary to name a player. The point is that the opportunity needs to be there and they shouldn't be spending that cap asset on a player like Greenway.

I would hope that they're not the kind of player that Greenway is because he's not a good player.

It will be true. The Flyers will not be significantly better next year.




Different time and situation. Not going to happen. This team is looking at a 5 -10 year journey to becoming a legit contender. They can get incrementally better in those years but it's not going to be quick unless they get really lucky with a few draft picks.


NO FANBASE WOULD ACCEPT A 10 YEAR REBUILD



Moving another player does not in any way justify acquiring Greenway. It is a mistake.
- MJL

Well to be honest, people rarely put their failures on their resume. He has to crow about something regardless of how minuscule or silly to pad their pathetic resume. And also, some people will read that and say "gosh he's done a great job" because some people are so easily coaxed into a false narrative.
- RustyPipes

I can’t believe anyone could be that stupid to actually to hear those words and not call him out on it. It’s embarrassing that no one there actually questioned this rediculous statement.

Schenn lacavalier simmonds was the second line
- Shrike

Yeah, Coots was with Read and Downie/Raffl and absolutely buried in the dzone. No PP time. Hard to score under those conditions.

seriously


He will be out “more than two weeks” and “we’ll have an update in three weeks,” Fletcher said on TK

Are you sure about Couturier? He saw almost zero time in the AHL. When you have Giroux at center, nobody was gonna top G but I do think Couturier saw second line duties under Berube, no?

Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Couturier-Simmonds

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- SuperSchennBros

Hartsy - G - Jake
Schenn - VLC - Simmer
Raff/Downie - Coots - Read
Rinaldo - Hall - Raff/Rosehill

He also said the team is fifth in the NHL in win-percentage improvement from last season.

That won’t excite a fan base that has seen one playoff series win in the last 11 years, including this season.

“It’s going to be a longer process than maybe what we want, but we’re starting to build the right way and integrating a lot of young players on the team,” Fletcher said.

seriously


He will be out “more than two weeks” and “we’ll have an update in three weeks,” Fletcher said on TK
- wcorvette

Visions of reporters snorting their coffee out through their noses with that remark.
5th most improved at what metric ? Alcohol sales so people at the game can get through it comfortably numb?

Jesse Puljujärvi to Canes, so they say, one less team for JVR
- wcorvette

With the passing of each day the return will dwindle. He is too much money for too few results for an actual contender .

Jesse Puljujärvi to Canes, so they say, one less team for JVR
- wcorvette

Canes still have $7.1 million in cap space. The Puljujarvi deal is just a depth thing. Will have no impact on attempts to land a scorer.

- Tomahawk

I don't have the temperament to press play.

Oh my god? Is this real? That poor senile old man.
- SuperSchennBros

The full quote. (not much better)

"We're not making the playoffs this year. Again, I can throw numbers all day… on a points percentage basis, I think we're the 5th-most improved team in the league. That’s nice, but we're still not good enough."

I don't have the temperament to press play.
- Pelle31Forever

The quote from earlier is getting the headlines, but the standout thing for me was that Chuck basically admitted that the "retool" is dead and they've downshifted to a league-standard rebuild posture. Talked about maybe moving older guys out and getting younger, giving more prospects a chance to win a job in the lineup. All things we've wanted to hear for awhile now.

Yeah, Coots was with Read and Downie/Raffl and absolutely buried in the dzone. No PP time. Hard to score under those conditions.
- Tomahawk

Flyers absolutely hurt his offensive development as he was so good defensively that they refused to put him on a scoring line and kept him on the shutdown line. Short term thinking that had long term consequences for the Flyers and Couturier.

It's not necessary to name a player. The point is that the opportunity needs to be there and they shouldn't be spending that cap asset on a player like Greenway.

I would hope that they're not the kind of player that Greenway is because he's not a good player.
- MJL

Agree with you.

If the Flyers wanted to reclamation project, I think Tolvanen would have been a better choice when he was on waivers. No need for someone like Greenway.

seriously


He will be out “more than two weeks” and “we’ll have an update in three weeks,” Fletcher said on TK
- wcorvette

poor kid, Flyers medical announcements like that usually mean your career is over.

They can all say whatever they choose. I will believe it when I see those words followed up by action.

Yet he wants to keep Seeler and others. Prove me wrong Chuck.