JVR for Greenway straight up is a ridiculously bad move.
- MJL

This team has enough early to mid career project players going on

I love that Claude's doing so well in Ottawa, clicking w/ Stutzle, and Sens fans calling him their best UFA signing ever. Love it.

So glad he's far away from this hell hole.
- Tomahawk

This team has enough early to mid career project players going on
- ClaudeFather

Agreed, not sure the logic of adding a forward with 38 career goals on a decent cap hit with term left. Isn't that one less spot for Desoyners, Brink, or Forester to take? Not mention Gauthier will be added during Greenway's contract. This is a baffling potential move.

JVR with 50% retained should net a conditional 3rd at worst. Taking on Greenway's salary should net no less than a 2nd in my opinion. Flyers do not need to add more contracts to there future salary cap prison.
- mickel25

Greenway is 26 and makes $3m each the next 2 seasons. You can't find a contract like that in free agency if you tried. We just gave a 32 year old Deslauriers with a career high of 15 points more than half that money with double the term.

Greenway is just replacing what JVR was essentially doing on this team for less than half the money. A potential 30ish-40 point physical winger for the 3rd line is a great get, especially if we can squeeze a pick out of the Wild also.

I just don't know that I'm understanding the logic behind this trade too much. Seems almost too good to be true. The Wild don't need the Flyers to retain cap space so they have no need to even offer up a pick.

Unless the Wild consider Greenway a dime a dozen player who they wont miss long term, I don't even know why they'd trade him straight up for JVR other than chasing goal scoring help for the playoffs. JVR has 20 goals in 70+ career playoff games. I'd take advantage of that desperation in a heartbeat.

LOL, first of all Bill Guerin is not a great GM. Secondly and most importantly. The league is full of GM's and hockey execs who were ex players. Being an ex player and claiming to know the game is not a reason to believe that someone would make a great GM. Those so called qualities do not automatically translate to being a great GM. So what legitimate reason is there to believe that Briere would make a great GM?
- MJL

Guerin's a really weird example. I would have offered Sakic or Yzerman if I were trying to make that point lol.

JVR for Greenway straight up is a ridiculously bad move.
- MJL

Vehemently disagree that trading a player your not going to sign anyway for a 26 year old winger signed to a very reasonable and maneuverable contract is a "ridiculously bad move".

JVR for Greenway straight up is a ridiculously bad move.
- MJL

Wholeheartedly agree. Even worse than for Luke Schenn.

Greenway is trash, and there is a reason Minnesota is trying to escape that deal.

It would be classic Fletcher though, an incredibly lazy GM to look to acquire him.

Worst run team in the NHL.

It was clear with Ristolainen that they gave up too much? Are you kidding me. When that move was made, you labeled as part of a plan that put the team on the path to the cup! Revisionist history.

Tortorella has been brutally honest? No he hasn't! He's full of crap the majority of the time.
- MJL

Unlike you I gave Risto a chance. Unlike you I wasn't so much worried about giving up the 14th pick in a weak draft (which by the way Rosen still has not played a lick for Buffalo 3 years later!) Unlike you, I recognized the Flyers needed a physical presence on their backend. Its so easy for you isn't it? EVERYTHING the Flyers do you label as the wrong move, the wrong decision and the wrong system. Then when anything at all does not go well you parade yourself as some sort of expert. I got news for you, you are far from an expert, you're a novice and you have a lot to learn my friend .. LEARN FROM ME GRASSHOPPER!

Greenway is 26 and makes $3m each the next 2 seasons. You can't find a contract like that in free agency if you tried. We just gave a 32 year old Deslauriers with a career high of 15 points more than half that money with double the term.

Greenway is just replacing what JVR was essentially doing on this team for less than half the money. A potential 30ish-40 point physical winger for the 3rd line is a great get, especially if we can squeeze a pick out of the Wild also.

I just don't know that I'm understanding the logic behind this trade too much. Seems almost too good to be true. The Wild don't need the Flyers to retain cap space so they have no need to even offer up a pick.

Unless the Wild consider Greenway a dime a dozen player who they wont miss long term, I don't even know why they'd trade him straight up for JVR other than chasing goal scoring help for the playoffs. JVR has 20 goals in 70+ career playoff games. I'd take advantage of that desperation in a heartbeat.
- mochoson

wtf did i just read...

1. JVR for Greenway straight up would be a win. I'd be ecstatic if a 3rd round pick came back. If eating 50% of JVRS salary gets us a 2nd or a 3rd you do that in a heartbeat. Greenway is only 26 and has a cheaper contract for a solid 3rd/4th line winger.

- mochoson

Just what the Flyers need .. another 3rd/4th line winger that eats up more cap space. Really brilliant observation!

Greenway is 26 and makes $3m each the next 2 seasons. You can't find a contract like that in free agency if you tried. We just gave a 32 year old Deslauriers with a career high of 15 points more than half that money with double the term.

Greenway is just replacing what JVR was essentially doing on this team for less than half the money. A potential 30ish-40 point physical winger for the 3rd line is a great get, especially if we can squeeze a pick out of the Wild also.

I just don't know that I'm understanding the logic behind this trade too much. Seems almost too good to be true. The Wild don't need the Flyers to retain cap space so they have no need to even offer up a pick.

Unless the Wild consider Greenway a dime a dozen player who they wont miss long term, I don't even know why they'd trade him straight up for JVR other than chasing goal scoring help for the playoffs. JVR has 20 goals in 70+ career playoff games. I'd take advantage of that desperation in a heartbeat.
- mochoson

Why would we want them to find a contract like that in free agency? More failed logic to me. The Flyers idiotically gave Deslauriers a 4 year deal so that makes adding Greenway a good deal? He's not a great get. He's not a good player and he is overpaid. This is not a team that should be taking on a struggling player with two more years at 3M a year. It seems to me that you don't know what kind of player Greenway actually is.

Greenway is trash, and there is a reason Minnesota is trying to escape that deal.

It would be classic Fletcher though, an incredibly lazy GM to look to acquire him.

Worst run team in the NHL.
- FlyerFan3260

If Fletcher EVER did this, the fans should immediately boycott the games and plaster all over social media that they will not come back until Fletcher is fired and completely removed from the organization!

If Fletcher EVER did this, the fans should immediately boycott the games and plaster all over social media that they will not come back until Fletcher is fired and completely removed from the organization!
- jd250

Sadly not the case.

There is a segment of the fanbase that would love the idea of Greenway, and what he could become because of his size.

The same kind of thinking is very obvious when it comes to the FO.

Just what the Flyers need .. another 3rd/4th line winger that eats up more cap space. Really brilliant observation!
- jd250

Tough to make the team next year as a 3rd-4th line winger. 4 spots open, 18 guys vying for a spot. The Flyers have the market cornered on bottom six talent.

Tough to make the team next year as a 3rd-4th line winger. 4 spots open, 18 guys vying for a spot. The Flyers have the market cornered on bottom six talent.
- landros 2

Good lord, this statement is so true.

Unlike you I gave Risto a chance. Unlike you I wasn't so much worried about giving up the 14th pick in a weak draft (which by the way Rosen still has not played a lick for Buffalo 3 years later!) Unlike you, I recognized the Flyers needed a physical presence on their backend. Its so easy for you isn't it? EVERYTHING the Flyers do you label as the wrong move, the wrong decision and the wrong system. Then when anything at all does not go well you parade yourself as some sort of expert. I got news for you, you are far from an expert, you're a novice and you have a lot to learn my friend .. LEARN FROM ME GRASSHOPPER!
- jd250

It isn't about giving Ristolainen a chance. But just to address that, if you go back to the conversations that off season, I posted numerous times that although I hated the deal, I was willing to have an open mind to see of Ristolainen could improve on a new team. Now that we've got that nonsense out of the way, we can deal with the issue. The issue is that you again act like you knew all along that they gave up too much. When in fact you praised the move. Again, it's the equivalent of predicting the winner of the race after the race is over. Along with the lack of self realization of how wrong you had it.

As far as the latter nonsense you offered, we can look at almost every debate you and I have had and see who was right and who was wrong. With rare exceptions, you've been wrong on everything.
You claim here that I automatically label everything the Flyers do is wrong. Who told you that the return for Giroux was a good return? LOL

To finish it off, the lack of introspect of someone who is pretty much wrong on everything to tell someone that they're not an expert and to learn from them. Well that's just sad.

LOL, first of all Bill Guerin is not a great GM. Secondly and most importantly. The league is full of GM's and hockey execs who were ex players. Being an ex player and claiming to know the game is not a reason to believe that someone would make a great GM. Those so called qualities do not automatically translate to being a great GM. So what legitimate reason is there to believe that Briere would make a great GM?
- MJL

When the Wild signed Guerin as their GM, they were 6th in the Central and missed the playoffs. They've made the playoffs all 3 years since then and have finished no lower than 3rd in their division.

Despite his team being in playoff contention, he's acquired 3 extra draft picks over the course of the season because him and his management team are good at managing their cap. That's why they've been facilitating 3 way trades and happily eating contracts of players that aren't on their team.

Danny Briere has been learning the management ropes since 2017. He's already matriculated up from ECHL management to NHL management since then. While that's not a ton of experience, I think combined with his experience as a player that he'd make a great GM.

We'll have to agree to disagree on both points.

It isn't about giving Ristolainen a chance. But just to address that, if you go back to the conversations that off season, I posted numerous times that although I hated the deal, I was willing to have an open mind to see of Ristolainen could improve on a new team. Now that we've got that nonsense out of the way, we can deal with the issue. The issue is that you again act like you knew all along that they gave up too much. When in fact you praised the move. Again, it's the equivalent of predicting the winner of the race after the race is over. Along with the lack of self realization of how wrong you had it.

As far as the latter nonsense you offered, we can look at almost every debate you and I have had and see who was right and who was wrong. With rare exceptions, you've been wrong on everything.
You claim here that I automatically label everything the Flyers do is wrong. Who told you that the return for Giroux was a good return? LOL

To finish it off, the lack of introspect of someone who is pretty much wrong on everything to tell someone that they're not an expert and to learn from them. Well that's just sad.
- MJL

I did

Greenway is 26 and makes $3m each the next 2 seasons. You can't find a contract like that in free agency if you tried. We just gave a 32 year old Deslauriers with a career high of 15 points more than half that money with double the term.

Greenway is just replacing what JVR was essentially doing on this team for less than half the money. A potential 30ish-40 point physical winger for the 3rd line is a great get, especially if we can squeeze a pick out of the Wild also.

I just don't know that I'm understanding the logic behind this trade too much. Seems almost too good to be true. The Wild don't need the Flyers to retain cap space so they have no need to even offer up a pick.

Unless the Wild consider Greenway a dime a dozen player who they wont miss long term, I don't even know why they'd trade him straight up for JVR other than chasing goal scoring help for the playoffs. JVR has 20 goals in 70+ career playoff games. I'd take advantage of that desperation in a heartbeat.
- mochoson

I just do not think you understand how the NHL works. JVR will get a 2-3 round pick on his own. You should not take on salary (see Shayne Ghostibehere) of a player that has zero value without making the other team pay for it. If Greenway had value he would get traded for a return. Maybe that still happens. All reports point to the Wild trying to dump his salary though.

When an orginizatpn that has been irrelevant for over a decade, hasn’t had any winning in that same time span, has seen their popularity locally and nationwide dip, continue to runback the same cast of characters in management has earned every bit of failure that comes their way.

I am honestly enjoying it to some extent as there is no hope of it turning around and look forward to how they will mess it up next. The Oakland Raiders of the NHL

Why would we want them to find a contract like that in free agency? More failed logic to me. The Flyers idiotically gave Deslauriers a 4 year deal so that makes adding Greenway a good deal? He's not a great get. He's not a good player and he is overpaid. This is not a team that should be taking on a struggling player with two more years at 3M a year. It seems to me that you don't know what kind of player Greenway actually is.
- MJL

I know exactly what kind of player Greenway is. 3 million isn't a hard contract to move in todays NHL at all. In my opinion, he's more than worth taking a flyer on if all your giving up is a guy you wont be resigning anyway.

He was averaging close to 10 goals and 30 points before having off-season surgery. He missed training camp and was back on IR after 1 game. He's only "struggling" because he hasn't been able to consistently stay on the ice. It seems to me you just looked at Greenways stats on the season and just assumed he regressed...?

3 million a season for a 26 year old with double digit goal and 30+ point potential who also plays physical is absolutely, positively, under no circumstances an overpayment.

The fact Tortorella came out already and said the team is going to suck next year is a disgrace. Way to energize the fanbase Fonz. (frank)ing gong show from pillar to post.
- PLindbergh31

Torts could come out every season throughout the duration of his contract and say the team is going to suck. It shouldn't surprise anyone.

I feel so bad for the next GM.

I know exactly what kind of player Greenway is. 3 million isn't a hard contract to move in todays NHL at all. In my opinion, he's more than worth taking a flyer on if all your giving up is a guy you wont be resigning anyway.

He was averaging close to 10 goals and 30 points before having off-season surgery. He missed training camp and was back on IR after 1 game. He's only "struggling" because he hasn't been able to consistently stay on the ice. It seems to me you just looked at Greenways stats on the season and just assumed he regressed...?

3 million a season for a 26 year old with double digit goal and 30+ point potential who also plays physical is absolutely, positively, under no circumstances an overpayment.
- mochoson

maybe a savy GM takes a chance on a bounce back year then sells him next deadline. Sadly the flyers do not have a savy GM

That cross-ice backhand home run pass to Tkachuk...




- Tomahawk

Good thing the Flyers got rid of that guy! They don't need players like that. They need 200 foot players, not 160 foot players that send backhand sauce for breakaway goals.