Fletcher said Konecny isn’t necessarily out for the season but he might be. The pied Piper poopbag media nodded their heads and ate it up.

12 goals and 12 assists in 81 games?
8 goals and 20 assists in 67 games?
6 goals and 26 assists in 56 games?
10 goals and 17 assists in 62 games?


But knowing Fletch, not only will he trade JVR for him, he will throw in salary retention and a pick.
- MBFlyerfan

32 points in 56 games is bad? Really?

Again, I already said I'd be less hesitant if Greenway was older and we had players in our system ready to step up. Not only do none of our prospects look ready to contribute on a nightly basis, but we have absolutely nobody like Greenway in the system even if they were ready.

The closest guy was Ratcliffe who wasn't a physical player anyway.

Yeah I guess it's hilarious to actually have ideas about how your hockey team could try to improve instead of just coming to a forum everyday female doging and complaining that they suck.

'hUrrrr dUrr He's overpa1d N bad N zo slow d00d r u st00pid 0r wut"

That's all I've read for 3 pages. Real riveting stuff.
- mochoson

This I will agree with you on. But Greenway is not the answer for the Flyers. Like I said the Flyers need to focus on cap space accumulation and getting top-end talent, and Greenway is far from top-end, top-line talent. As a fan, I would much rather see Foerster, Brink, Desnoyers, Lyksell, Attard and Gauthier playing on this team next season than a player like Greenway.

Did what exactly?

12 goals and 12 assists in 81 games?
8 goals and 20 assists in 67 games?
6 goals and 26 assists in 56 games?
10 goals and 17 assists in 62 games?

Which season was he doing anything other than sucking?

For 3 million I say no way. We can get that kind of production from prospects on rookie deals and save the cap space.

But knowing Fletch, not only will he trade JVR for him, he will throw in salary retention and a pick.
- MBFlyerfan

And then extend him for 5 years and give him a NMC!

Jesse Puljujärvi to Canes, so they say, one less team for JVR

This I will agree with you on. But Greenway is not the answer for the Flyers. Like I said the Flyers need to focus on cap space accumulation and getting top-end talent, and Greenway is far from top-end, top-line talent. As a fan, I would much rather see Foerster, Brink, Desnoyers, Lyksell, Attard and Gauthier playing on this team next season than a player like Greenway.
- jd250

The Flyers have holes everywhere. They aren't good at doing anything. Needing top end talent doesn't mean you just outright ignore other players who could improve your team in the short and/or long term.

Greenway is a guy I think who brings immediate short term value AND potential long term value given his age. Even if he is only a short term piece, I'm fine with getting him as long as their are no serious concerns about his recent injury.

That's actually the angle the Flyers should play if they want a pick out of this deal too.

Yeah I guess it's hilarious to actually have ideas about how your hockey team could try to improve instead of just coming to a forum everyday female doging and complaining that they suck.

'hUrrrr dUrr He's overpa1d N bad N zo slow d00d r u st00pid 0r wut"

That's all I've read for 3 pages. Real riveting stuff.
- mochoson

The people who are disagreeing with you about Greenway believe that the Flyers, who are not a good team can bring in some younger players to match the production of Greenway has put up in his career. For a less money on the cap. I guess maybe that doesn't qualify as an idea in your book.

The Flyers have holes everywhere. They aren't good at doing anything. Needing top end talent doesn't mean you just outright ignore other players who could improve your team in the short and/or long term.

Greenway is a guy I think who brings immediate short term value AND potential long term value given his age. Even if he is only a short term piece, I'm fine with getting him as long as their are no serious concerns about his recent injury.

That's actually the angle the Flyers should play if they want a pick out of this deal too.
- mochoson

Greenway can't improve the Flyers. He hasn't improved the Wild. You talked about what others are ignoring but ignore the scouting report on Greenway.

32 points in 56 games is bad? Really?

Again, I already said I'd be less hesitant if Greenway was older and we had players in our system ready to step up. Not only do none of our prospects look ready to contribute on a nightly basis, but we have absolutely nobody like Greenway in the system even if they were ready.

The closest guy was Ratcliffe who wasn't a physical player anyway.
- mochoson

This has been pointed out to you previously. You want Greenway for the 3rd line. Who was Greenway playing with when he had 32 points in 56 games?

Jesse Puljujärvi to Canes, so they say, one less team for JVR
- wcorvette

Least surprising move of all. Finnish guy w/ good chance generation and suppression numbers... born to be a Hurricane.

The people who are disagreeing with you about Greenway believe that the Flyers, who are not a good team can bring in some younger players to match the production of Greenway has put up in his career. For a less money on the cap. I guess maybe that doesn't qualify as an idea in your book.
- MJL

No, it doesn't. Because your just claiming you there's a better alternative without actually putting your neck out and saying what that alternative is.

What player? A free agent? A different trade target? That would be an idea.

The Flyers have holes everywhere. They aren't good at doing anything. Needing top end talent doesn't mean you just outright ignore other players who could improve your team in the short and/or long term.

Greenway is a guy I think who brings immediate short term value AND potential long term value given his age. Even if he is only a short term piece, I'm fine with getting him as long as their are no serious concerns about his recent injury.

That's actually the angle the Flyers should play if they want a pick out of this deal too.
- mochoson

You previous made that statement that all you read on this forum is "hUrrrr dUrr He's overpa1d N bad N zo slow d00d r u st00pid 0r wut", yet you make this statement which is absolutely false!

The Flyers for the first time since the mid 80s are set in goal, with Carter Hart and Sam Ersson. These are two young goalies who have already shown they are good enough to win with in the regular season and the playoffs! For once in goal is a strength for the Flyers, not a hole.

Second, the Flyers have a solid group of defenseman in York, Provey, Risto and Seeler. Its true the Flyers have a hole in that they don't have a true number 1 defenseman, but they have a group of solid defenseman that would be an excellent group if the Flyers were able to add that number 1 defenseman.

Thirdly, the Flyers have a solid group of middle 6 forwards which has been demonstrated this season, plus Couturier should be back next year and maybe Atkinson. Yes the Flyers have a gaping hole in that they don't have a legitimate top line, but they have pieces on the team and in their system that can come in and provide the depth that is absolutely needed to truly contend for the Cup.

Finally I think the Flyers have a very good coaching staff that will build a good foundation here. We have already seen some benefits in the development of younger players and the competitiveness of the team. That is a plus also.

So its not all doom and gloom here, but there are some glaring holes that have to be addressed. However getting a player like Greenway IMO is the opposite of what is needed to fill those holes.

I’m not gonna back read another word on Greenway. The Flyers do not need anymore 3rd line wingers. Period. End of story.

How many 3rd liners does one organization need? Not even counting recent draft picks or vets they may lose before next season, among the Flyers and Phantoms, there is Laughton and N.Cates who can play center or wing, as well as newcomer Desnoyers. On wing there is Allison and Lycksell. Brink and Foerster might have a ceiling as 2nd liners but should probably start on the 3rd. Plus injured players Atkinson and Laczynski. That is 9 right there, without digging!

Greenway can't improve the Flyers. He hasn't improved the Wild. You talked about what others are ignoring but ignore the scouting report on Greenway.
- MJL

This may come as a shock to you but not every player is super well rounded and great at every aspect of the game of hockey. He's a 6'6 power forward who should be in the bottom 6. His scouting report is exactly what you expect from a player of his type.

You took one look at his stats this year and decided you knew something about him. You had no idea he missed training camp and been dealing with a nagging injury. After finding this out, your now doubling down and trying to convince me a 30 point guy is overpaid at 3 million dollars despite every comparable contract possible proving that wrong.

This has been pointed out to you previously. You want Greenway for the 3rd line. Who was Greenway playing with when he had 32 points in 56 games?
- MJL

Yes, because that's where he belongs. The idea he needs strictly "2nd line ice time" to reach these numbers is absurd. He averages 14 minutes a game for christ sakes, not 18-20. You can reach those numbers with 3rd line ice time and occasional 2nd unit PP time.

Pat Gallen
@PatGallenCBS3
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18m
Chuck Fletcher saying that the Flyers are the "5th most improved team" in the NHL is THE MOST ASININE THING I've ever heard in my life. What does that even mean!?

You previous made that statement that all you read on this forum is "hUrrrr dUrr He's overpa1d N bad N zo slow d00d r u st00pid 0r wut", yet you make this statement which is absolutely false!

The Flyers for the first time since the mid 80s are set in goal, with Carter Hart and Sam Ersson. These are two young goalies who have already shown they are good enough to win with in the regular season and the playoffs! For once in goal is a strength for the Flyers, not a hole.
- jd250

I will concede and say that I guess the Flyers goal tending is the only thing this franchise can cling to at the moment, which sounds absurd to say out loud given it's history.

I quite literally couldn't disagree more about the rest. This team is working with very, very little at the moment.

Greenway is 26 and makes $3m each the next 2 seasons. You can't find a contract like that in free agency if you tried. We just gave a 32 year old Deslauriers with a career high of 15 points more than half that money with double the term.

Greenway is just replacing what JVR was essentially doing on this team for less than half the money. A potential 30ish-40 point physical winger for the 3rd line is a great get, especially if we can squeeze a pick out of the Wild also.

I just don't know that I'm understanding the logic behind this trade too much. Seems almost too good to be true. The Wild don't need the Flyers to retain cap space so they have no need to even offer up a pick.

Unless the Wild consider Greenway a dime a dozen player who they wont miss long term, I don't even know why they'd trade him straight up for JVR other than chasing goal scoring help for the playoffs. JVR has 20 goals in 70+ career playoff games. I'd take advantage of that desperation in a heartbeat.
- mochoson

Greenway can have an impact when he’s playing his game. His game is playing physical along the boards, hard on the forecheck and cycling in the o zone. His biggest problem is consistency. He’s got 2 goals this year and one is an ENG.

The Wild had hopes of a 20-25 goal 60 point player. That didn’t happen. Realistically, he can get you 8-12 goals as a 3rd liner and 25 points. If he brought what he’s got every game, he’s not bad at $3 Mil. Heard last week that Guerin called him in and gave him a kick in the ass. Like the guy but his work ethic is all over the place.

No, it doesn't. Because your just claiming you there's a better alternative without actually putting your neck out and saying what that alternative is.

What player? A free agent? A different trade target? That would be an idea.
- mochoson

There is a better alternative. Who should the Flyers take a chance on? Some of the young players in their system for the 3rd line or the suspect project player with two years left with a 3M cap hit? Not trading for Greenway with his 3M cap hit is not only an idea, it's a good idea.

There is a better alternative.
- MJL

Ok, who?

Who should the Flyers take a chance on? Some of the young players in their system for the 3rd line....
- MJL

Ok. Who?

...or the suspect project player with two years left with a 3M cap hit? Not trading for Greenway with his 3M cap hit is not only an idea, it's a good idea.
- MJL

Oh, so you don't actually have a name? Just saying whatever sounds good still? Ok. Just checking.

The Flyers should trade who they can for picks and not bring any veteran back. They should not give their picks away in any deal. On any contract expiring and the player not traded - let it go. Don't use picks to clear salary cap - just ride out the storm and let the draft picks get some experience. If anyone thinks that this team will compete in the next few years is mistaken. Accumulate as many picks as you can, draft well (listen reliable scouts), and develop. There are a lot of free agent veterans that can be gotten on the cheap in the off season if needed to fill gaps.

Pat Gallen
@PatGallenCBS3
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18m
Chuck Fletcher saying that the Flyers are the "5th most improved team" in the NHL is THE MOST ASININE THING I've ever heard in my life. What does that even mean!?
- PLindbergh31

The most Chuck Fletcher thing ever lol

As if going from historically terrible to just terrible is something to hang your hat on.

This may come as a shock to you but not every player is super well rounded and great at every aspect of the game of hockey. He's a 6'6 power forward who should be in the bottom 6. His scouting report is exactly what you expect from a player of his type.


- mochoson

No, his scouting report is not what you would expect from a player of his type. His scouting report is a player that I want nothing to do with. This idea of it being a surprise to me about being well rounded is an invention on your part.

You took one look at his stats this year and decided you knew something about him. You had no idea he missed training camp and been dealing with a nagging injury. After finding this out, your now doubling down and trying to convince me a 30 point guy is overpaid at 3 million dollars despite every comparable contract possible proving that wrong.



- mochoson

In a previous reply to you, I listed the negatives to Greenway in his game. That list did not include a single stat. What I've tried to inform you of is that a team in the Flyers position of being one of the worst teams in the league. Paying a player of Greenway's caliber 3M a year for the 3rd line is a gross overpay. It's about team situation. Player contract comparables are irrelevant.

Yes, because that's where he belongs. The idea he needs strictly "2nd line ice time" to reach these numbers is absurd. He averages 14 minutes a game for christ sakes, not 18-20. You can reach those numbers with 3rd line ice time and occasional 2nd unit PP time.
- mochoson

It's not absurd to speculate that a player of his caliber and his weaknesses would put up less production playing with lesser skilled players than he did when he put up his career best 32 points playing in Minnesota.

When the Wild signed Guerin as their GM, they were 6th in the Central and missed the playoffs. They've made the playoffs all 3 years since then and have finished no lower than 3rd in their division.

Despite his team being in playoff contention, he's acquired 3 extra draft picks over the course of the season because him and his management team are good at managing their cap. That's why they've been facilitating 3 way trades and happily eating contracts of players that aren't on their team.

Danny Briere has been learning the management ropes since 2017. He's already matriculated up from ECHL management to NHL management since then. While that's not a ton of experience, I think combined with his experience as a player that he'd make a great GM.

We'll have to agree to disagree on both points.
- mochoson

I think Guerin has done well to address the roster and organizational structure that he inherited. He’s secured a fair amount of lottery tickets. His best move was hiring Judd Brackett for scouting and drafting. Brackett is considered elite at what he does by the NHL insiders.

The most Chuck Fletcher thing ever lol

As if going from historically terrible to just terrible is something to hang your hat on.


- Tomahawk

Fletcher said Konecny isn’t necessarily out for the season but he might be. The pied Piper poopbag media nodded their heads and ate it up.
- PLindbergh31

Fletcher is a liar, whether by affirmative statements or omission. He isn’t trustworthy.