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SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Mar 1 @ 6:50 PM ET
Maybe they can loan the Flyers a couple of second round picks?
- Dkos

I feel like Yokes have been piling up draft picks since Keith Tkachuk was traded. Maybe this summer will finally be the summer.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 1 @ 6:51 PM ET
Ok, what was the excuse before he was traded? Oh, we traded him for nothing 3 years ago.
- SuperSchennBros


We've all got our favorite dead horses that we love to beat on. Nobody jumps down your throat the minute you bring up the Schenns (which you've been doing constantly, maybe you don't even realize). Live and let live bud.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 1 @ 6:52 PM ET
Maybe they can loan the Flyers a couple of second round picks?
- Dkos



SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Mar 1 @ 6:52 PM ET
We've all got our favorite dead horses that we love to beat on. Nobody jumps down your throat the minute you bring up the Schenns (which you've been doing constantly, maybe you don't even realize). Live and let live bud.
- Tomahawk

So not playing dumb, just dumb?

You’re likely to hear me complain about the Hayes contract before I bring up one of the Schenn’s.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 1 @ 6:53 PM ET
So not playing dumb, just dumb?

You’re likely to hear me complain about the Hayes contract before I bring up one of the Schenn’s.

- SuperSchennBros


You've been bringing up Luke weekly all season. Looks like you've got amnesia.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 1 @ 6:53 PM ET
Shall we review again?

* Ghost spent much of his last two seasons in Philly injured and extremely inconsistent. I personally had an NHL pro scout tell me that he thought Ghost might be out of the NHL entirely within a few years.

* Ghost was waived. He cleared with no takers.

* Ghost was offered around the NHL shortly after the 2020-21 season. No offers.

* Ghost was exposed to the Expansion Draft. Seattle passed and took Carsen Twarynski instead.

* Then -- and only then -- did the Flyers pay the extortion Arizona wanted to take on his contract. Even as a cap floor team, they didn't especially want Shayne.

Thankfully for Shayne -- whom I like as both a player and a person -- he revived his career in Arizona and proved a lot of doubters who thought he was in freefall in his career stock to be wrong. But let's not pretend that every avenue wasn't exhausted first before the Flyers paid the premium to unload his contract.

- bmeltzer


Then a short time later gave up how many assets to acquire the same player basically in DeAngelo. They should've kept Gostisbehere. Incompetence at it's finest.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Mar 1 @ 6:56 PM ET
how the (frank) did we have to give away ghost but carolina gives a 3rd from him?
does the whole league hate CF or is he just (frank)ing dumb
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Mar 1 @ 6:56 PM ET
You've been bringing up Luke weekly all season. Looks like you've got amnesia.
- Tomahawk


Repost anything I’ve said. Anything outside of the the trade today and the fact we played Vancouver last week. I’ll wait.

The reality is, it won’t be hard for me to find Ghost whining at all.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 1 @ 6:56 PM ET
This! The question is does it help frost develop or does it cast doubt in his head?
As much as I hate to see him rag on frost I think the results have spoken for themselves.
The next question is when does he compliment the kid and leave him alone?

The rough love crap gets old kinda quickly, imo

- Bob Habib


There seems to this belief that Tortorella has developed these players. He really hasn't. Injuries to vets, who let's not kid ourselves would be playing while the kids would be playing less. Forced Tortorella to give some young players ice time. Which is all the really needed with good linemates.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 1 @ 6:59 PM ET
Did anyone actually watch Ghost against the Flyers this season?? You all call that a reclamation? Are you kidding me. He sucks just as bad in his own end there as he did here! We all rip DeAngelo for his defensive play and rightly so, but come on people! This ex-girlfriend thing that people on this forum is just over the top. Ghost is a HORRIBLE defenseman. Yes he puts up some numbers, and so does DeAngelo BTW, but lets see him do it on a real team in the playoffs when it matters. I'll bet you anything Ghost will be a healthy scratch by the 2nd round!
- jd250


Gostisbehere is not a horrible defenseman. I wish we had him over both Angelo and Ristolainen.
Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Mar 1 @ 7:00 PM ET
Maybe they can loan the Flyers a couple of second round picks?
- Dkos


Nah! Chuck will just trade them away for a 29 year old 6/7 defensemen or 4th line grinder. That or he'll blow the pick with a slug that will never play in the NHL.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Mar 1 @ 7:05 PM ET
Repost anything I’ve said. Anything outside of the the trade today and the fact we played Vancouver last week. I’ll wait.

The reality is, it won’t be hard for me to find Ghost whining at all.

- SuperSchennBros
Actually, I thought that you went on a Brayden Schenn rant only a short time ago. Perhaps when the Blues traded O'Reilly? I dunno, but it seems you did rail against the Flyers trading Brayden Schenn just last week. Perhaps I'm mistaken, and to be honest I don't care enough to go back and try to look it up. I mean, your avatar is Schenn brother driven, so there is that. Those Schenn trades happened quite awhile ago while the Ghost trade is still a fresher wound although it's really getting hard to keep track of all of Chuckles' colossal blunders at this point.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 1 @ 7:07 PM ET
Repost anything I’ve said. Anything outside of the the trade today and the fact we played Vancouver last week. I’ll wait.

The reality is, it won’t be hard for me to find Ghost whining at all.

- SuperSchennBros



This was on Jan 11th... no Vancouver game or trade around that time:

Feanor for example loves to use numbers to support his narrative. The guy will bring up something stupid like me supporting Luke Schenn over Radko Gudas 8 or 9 years ago but somehow leading the mark all summer to get Provorov out of here so Sanheim can take his place somehow sounds smart.
- SuperSchennBros

And Luke Schenn is only viewed as this terrible defenseman because he didn’t workout in Philadelphia. Hughes is a legitimate top pair defenseman. Schenn did win two cups with Tampa. Schenn was taken 5th overall in his draft class. I mean, it’s not like Schenn offers nothing. After Philly he played for a really bad Arizona team.
- SuperSchennBros


That's one random blog I pulled up. I'm too lazy to look at any more. Like I said, you must not even realize you do it.

So again, live and let live man.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Mar 1 @ 7:09 PM ET
how the (frank) did we have to give away ghost but carolina gives a 3rd from him?
does the whole league hate CF or is he just (frank)ing dumb

- 2Real

Yes.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Mar 1 @ 7:12 PM ET
Yotes draft stockpile of picks looks ridiculous:


- Tomahawk


Nice...setting up success for when they move. good thinking
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Mar 1 @ 7:12 PM ET
This was on Jan 11th... no Vancouver game or trade around that time:




That's one random blog I pulled up. I'm too lazy to look at any more. Like I said, you must not even realize you do it.

So again, live and let live man.

- Tomahawk

I didn’t bring up Luke Schenn. Feanor did, which is why I said what I said. It’s literally in the post. 😂
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 1 @ 7:13 PM ET
Since it looks like we're stuck with him, there are two basic lessons I wish Fletcher would learn. One, it's okay to back out on a potential trade for a player that you're targeting if the bidding gets too high. Let the other team win a bid for a mediocre player for change. Secondly, don't make a bad deal to move a player just so you can get more cap space to make another bad deal. Can anyone forward this to Chuck?
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 1 @ 7:16 PM ET
Shall we review again?

* Ghost spent much of his last two seasons in Philly injured and extremely inconsistent. I personally had an NHL pro scout tell me that he thought Ghost might be out of the NHL entirely within a few years.

* Ghost was waived. He cleared with no takers.

* Ghost was offered around the NHL shortly after the 2020-21 season. No offers.

* Ghost was exposed to the Expansion Draft. Seattle passed and took Carsen Twarynski instead.

* Then -- and only then -- did the Flyers pay the extortion Arizona wanted to take on his contract. Even as a cap floor team, they didn't especially want Shayne.

Thankfully for Shayne -- whom I like as both a player and a person -- he revived his career in Arizona and proved a lot of doubters who thought he was in freefall in his career stock to be wrong. But let's not pretend that every avenue wasn't exhausted first before the Flyers paid the premium to unload his contract.

- bmeltzer

Bill with the Facts!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 1 @ 7:21 PM ET
Bill with the Facts!
- ClaudeFather



Those facts don't do anything to excuse the incompetence.

Which brings us to the 3rd lesson I wish Fletcher would learn, that it seems like is going to happen again. Don't let a coach push a player out the door and force you to make a bad move.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Mar 1 @ 7:22 PM ET
Was just watching the pregame show on TNT and Bizz thinks Carolina hasn't done enough. He thinks they should go after Hayes to solidify their second line center position! Bizz is NOT a bright guy, but I hope the Carolina GM listens to him!
dubc55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.25.2014

Mar 1 @ 7:22 PM ET
Risto = 1st + 2nd.

TDA = 2nd + 3rd + 4th

Chychrun = 1st + 2nd + 2nd

- Tomahawk


Brutal. It's worse when you see it written down lol
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Mar 1 @ 7:23 PM ET
Was just watching the pregame show on TNT and Bizz thinks Carolina hasn't done enough. He thinks they should go after Hayes to solidify their second line center position! Bizz is NOT a bright guy, but I hope the Carolina GM listens to him!
- Phillywhiteout

Helping out a buddy I guess.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Mar 1 @ 7:26 PM ET
Those facts don't do anything to excuse the incompetence.

Which brings us to the 3rd lesson I wish Fletcher would learn, that it seems like is going to happen again. Don't let a coach push a player out the door and force you to make a bad move.

- MJL


hold on this is two posted notes now..
Levit8
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Joined: 07.24.2015

Mar 1 @ 7:27 PM ET
Nice...setting up success for when they move. good thinking
- Peter Richards


Coyotes aren't going anywhere. They are Bettman's equivalent to "my best friend is a homeless, trans, birth-giver of color. We need more fine people like this in the league". To have them move and succeed would be another example of the white, male-dominated hierarchy oppressing the deserving, downtrodden masses.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Mar 1 @ 7:32 PM ET
Maybe they can loan the Flyers a couple of second round picks?
- Dkos

Time to cash in on those future considerations from the Roenick trade


EDIT: that was to LA, ugh
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