For sure, clearly the best team so far this season. Older team but lots of depth everywhere thru the lineup. And the way the playoffs are set up, they probably win 1st round easily vs Wild Card team in 4 or 5 games and watch NYR/Devils and Leafs/Tampa beat the hell out of each other.

The only thing you don't know about playoffs - playing up to 7 consecutive games vs the same team doesn't happen during regular season.
- RickJ

They just have to make sure that Brad Marchand knows that the time for a line change is NOT when the opposing team is coming down the ice with the puck.

Can't help but wonder what Dach's development would look like under LR?
- Mr Ricochet

Probably the same. He has the same projection now as he did before. Big player, skates good for size, will score 40-50 points no one remembers.

Incorrect. Dach should have been Caufield.
- DarthKane

Or Cozens, Or Zegras...

Seider isn't really fair since it didn't seem like anyone had him on their radar.

Sure he could have gone back to the WHL for a year and that probably would have helped his confidence since he never really dominated anyway. He's in his third year, still can't win a draw and is scoring at a higher rate with significantly more talented players and Ozone starts. Surprise surprise.

Certainly took Cozens until his 3rd year to figure it out but its tough to argue who the better player is there. Just kind of the way it goes.

Regardless of time in any minor league just about every player except very unique types are going to take until about their third year to see what's really there. Some it takes more like 4 or 5. Duncan Keiths first two years were not especially great even though he payed in the AHL and crap.

Kane himself wasn't a PPG player until his third full season probs would have done better with another year in the minors. Jonathan Toews you know right away what he was after he undressed the entire AVs team and scored one of the best goals of the past 20 years.

in case anyone forgot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp8g_OYRaAs&t=23s

edit: point being is that there is a diminishing return for being in the AHL or WHL or NCAA or whatever for an extended period of time because at the end of the day these guys still need 2-3 years of NHL experience before they can really contribute. The sooner they can get to the NHL the sooner they can take their lumps and then consistently contribute

(though I will say an additional year in the minors after the draft year can be helpful or a year in the AHL for a euro player to adjust to the ice size can be good)

That's a good angle, Orca. There just may be a player DET/Stevie Y really covets and he's building the assets to move up and get him. We'll see.

Draft day, as someone mentioned here recently, will be like the Super Bowl for Hawk's fans the next few yrs.
- Mr Ricochet

I'm beginning to think that StevieY thinks this is a deep draft like Wiz does. He's next with 5 picks in the first 2 rounds.

Probably the same. He has the same projection now as he did before. Big player, skates good for size, will score 40-50 points no one remembers.
- fattybeef

We like to focus here on high draft picks who don't succeed, and allege that the "cause" is a rush to the show (rather than just not being good enough).

How, then, do we explain Cale Makar? Drafted in 2017, he played two years in college, then jumped right into the NHL Playoffs at age 20. He has been great ever since. Never played in the AHL or any other pro league against men. Jumped straight into the men's league as a boy.

He was the 4th pick in the draft; Dach was 3rd (as was Cam Barker, I believe). Makar plays defense, which is supposed to take longer to develop. Dach has developed at a slower rate than Makar. Is it caused because he was "rushed", or is it correlation? Most 1st round picks don't live up to what is hoped for them (stardom) whether they were rushed to the show or not.

I'm beginning to think that StevieY thinks this is a deep draft like Wiz does. He's next with 5 picks in the first 2 rounds.
- BetweenTheDots

It will be interesting to see how the teams with tons of picks in this draft shake out over the next many years. Some like Detroit already have established NHLers and a solid pipeline, others like us have a pipeline and no NHLers. Doing a retrospective of who ‘won’ this draft in five or six years will be a good article in the Athletic.

It will be interesting to see how the teams with tons of picks in this draft shake out over the next many years. Some like Detroit already have established NHLers and a solid pipeline, others like us have a pipeline and no NHLers. Doing a retrospective of who ‘won’ this draft in five or six years will be a good article in the Athletic.
- ObeseOprah

It's so different now with having all this salary cap space, curious to see what and how KD manages it.

Wondering if he signs one or 2 guys to long term FA deals? That he feel are good fits for what he wants to build.

We like to focus here on high draft picks who don't succeed, and allege that the "cause" is a rush to the show (rather than just not being good enough).

How, then, do we explain Cale Makar? Drafted in 2017, he played two years in college, then jumped right into the NHL Playoffs at age 20. He has been great ever since. Never played in the AHL or any other pro league against men. Jumped straight into the men's league as a boy.

He was the 4th pick in the draft; Dach was 3rd (as was Cam Barker, I believe). Makar plays defense, which is supposed to take longer to develop. Dach has developed at a slower rate than Makar. Is it caused because he was "rushed", or is it correlation? Most 1st round picks don't live up to what is hoped for them (stardom) whether they were rushed to the show or not.
- mohel

Maker is a defenseman, by name only. He is a 4th forward.

It will be interesting to see how the teams with tons of picks in this draft shake out over the next many years. Some like Detroit already have established NHLers and a solid pipeline, others like us have a pipeline and no NHLers. Doing a retrospective of who ‘won’ this draft in five or six years will be a good article in the Athletic.
- ObeseOprah

What matters most in the "pipeline" chatter is whether the team in question has any great players on the horizon. It is great to be loaded with guys who might play a couple hundred games in the Show, but teams that contend and win over a stretch of time need several great players. Do the Hawks have any of them on the horizon? Too early to tell. Does Detroit?

Bertuzzi to Boston for a 2024 1st and 2025 4th.

Stevie Y trades for two 1st round picks the past two days.

We like to focus here on high draft picks who don't succeed, and allege that the "cause" is a rush to the show (rather than just not being good enough).

How, then, do we explain Cale Makar? Drafted in 2017, he played two years in college, then jumped right into the NHL Playoffs at age 20. He has been great ever since. Never played in the AHL or any other pro league against men. Jumped straight into the men's league as a boy.

He was the 4th pick in the draft; Dach was 3rd (as was Cam Barker, I believe). Makar plays defense, which is supposed to take longer to develop. Dach has developed at a slower rate than Makar. Is it caused because he was "rushed", or is it correlation? Most 1st round picks don't live up to what is hoped for them (stardom) whether they were rushed to the show or not.
- mohel

Could it possibly be, now just hear me out, that it is a combination of things? The maturity of the player, physical development, how they are eased into playing, expectations, the coaching staff, the team around him, what his previous coaching was like, understanding the need to continually develop, understanding that everyone is big and fast now, etc..

Pastrnak extends for 8 x 11.25M.

Four Sticks stopped part way through and continued on the next track 🤣🤣🤣
- paulr

Ted Nugent, would fall sleep to that on my 8 Track, also Led Zep 1…

Bertuzzi to Boston for a 2024 1st and 2025 4th.

Stevie Y trades for two 1st round picks the past two days.
- boilermaker100

All the players traded for first round picks this year - except

Patrick Kane (unless conditions are met)

So the Rangers got Kane, Tarasanko and Motte.

Bruins got Orlov, Hathaway, and Bertuzzi.

Which GM strengthened his team more?

All the players traded for first round picks this year - except

Patrick Kane (unless conditions are met)
- LAHawk

Not saying Domi is worth a 1st and a 4th, but wonder if the Bruins were interested. Domi retained would have been 1M cheaper and has put up better numbers than Bertuzzi. Need a picture of KD napping.

All the players traded for first round picks this year - except

Patrick Kane (unless conditions are met)
- LAHawk

KD did him a solid. He had little leverage and from all appearances wanted to move on from both Kane and Toews. If he just said no and NYR moved on would that have been a better outcome? Kane was a "nice to have" not a need for the Rangers.

Who knows, maybe Kane has another good 4-5 years left in him. I'm not happy he is gone per se, but I think it benefits the team as there is now a leadership and performance void that players can fight to fill. I like what Reichel has shown thus far and have high hopes for a few of the guys drafted last year.

Onward and upward.

Not saying Domi is worth a 1st and a 4th, but wonder if the Bruins were interested. Domi retained would have been 1M cheaper and has put up better numbers than Bertuzzi. Need a picture of KD napping.
- boilermaker100

I'm going to take a WAG and say that Domi will be an Oiler by the end of tomorrow.

So the Rangers got Kane, Tarasanko and Motte.

Bruins got Orlov, Hathaway, and Bertuzzi.

Which GM strengthened his team more?
- LAHawk

Personally I think the Bruins but, and I hate to say it dubas did a really nice job even though he uncharacteristically for him got gritty playoff type players. Still not sure about the Leafs defense, especially if Gus is suited up.

I'm going to take a WAG and say that Domi will be an Oiler by the end of tomorrow.
- Chunk

i was looking at the Flames, they have almost all their draft choices still (including all their #1's)

David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
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39m
The #GoJetsGo are looking around for a top-3 defenceman with term. I'm told Winnipeg was in on Jakob Chychrun but dropped out Wednesday morning. Philly's willing to listen on LD Provorov/Sanheim; could be on their radar.

Come ooooooooonnnnnnnn Murphy!!

David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
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39m
The #GoJetsGo are looking around for a top-3 defenceman with term. I'm told Winnipeg was in on Jakob Chychrun but dropped out Wednesday morning. Philly's willing to listen on LD Provorov/Sanheim; could be on their radar.

Come ooooooooonnnnnnnn Murphy!!


- Chunk

Don't ger excited Chunk, it says top 3 not bottom 3

So the Rangers got Kane, Tarasanko and Motte.

Bruins got Orlov, Hathaway, and Bertuzzi.

Which GM strengthened his team more?
- LAHawk

You forgot to include TOR in the equation. They have added ROR, Acciari, McCabe, Lafferty and Schenn. (And Gus)

Difficult to say because sometimes all the new pieces take time to mesh, but I think Boston will go all the way. They probably would have done it anyway without the additions.

KD did him a solid. He had little leverage and from all appearances wanted to move on from both Kane and Toews. If he just said no and NYR moved on would that have been a better outcome? Kane was a "nice to have" not a need for the Rangers.

Who knows, maybe Kane has another good 4-5 years left in him. I'm not happy he is gone per se, but I think it benefits the team as there is now a leadership and performance void that players can fight to fill. I like what Reichel has shown thus far and have high hopes for a few of the guys drafted last year.

Onward and upward.
- Chunk

Watching them last night he really is going to be a nice to have. I've seen a few Rangers game this year and always felt they are a bit choppy, Kane is going to make one of those lines flow, if i was Gallant Id try him out on that kids line, kids are going to the right spots but whoever is trying to deliver them the puck, rarely can.

You forgot to include TOR in the equation. They have added ROR, Acciari, McCabe, Lafferty and Schenn. (And Gus)

Difficult to say because sometimes all the new pieces take time to mesh, but I think Boston will go all the way. They probably would have done it anyway without the additions.
- boilermaker100

And Carolina

Hahaha