You think a new mover and shaker GM is going to come in and magically change it all? Look CF blows, but we have been through this dance of change before and it ends up the same way.

Just like this mess everyone is complaining about is new, this was seen more than 10 years ago and most just covered their eyes making excuses. Unless major changes happen we will be talking about the same thing again in 5 years...with a new GM, new coach, new players.
- Glak18

It’s not going to get better over night, but at least bring in someone with a plan and a vision…I’ve read what’s Fletchers new plan is ? It’s based on luck. Guys that were once seen as talented prospects that may need a change of scenery…that’s the plan?

You think a new mover and shaker GM is going to come in and magically change it all? Look CF blows, but we have been through this dance of change before and it ends up the same way.

Just like this mess everyone is complaining about is new, this was seen more than 10 years ago and most just covered their eyes making excuses. Unless major changes happen we will be talking about the same thing again in 5 years...with a new GM, new coach, new players.
- Glak18

That's a different conversation than saying that other teams don't want to deal with the Flyers and that's why they haven't made any moves. Look at the teams that have fleeced Fletcher in trades. Other teams are licking their chops to deal with Fletcher and his incompetence. The Flyers haven't made any moves for two reasons. Other teams aren't interested in the players they want to move or they aren't happy with the cost to acquire a player. Same as any other team.

Yeah I find it hard to believe that he didn't know about the lawsuits that were all over the news months before he took the job. That 16 mil made everything a lot easier. Also, when talking of entitlement around the locker room, not sure if he was referring to players or personnel. Maybe he was being purposefully vague, or are there actual front office staff hanging around the locker room?
- TobyFlenderson

It was clear to me he was talking about non-players. That's the way I took it.

So the Flyers are the new Edmonton Oilers? Except without the high draft picks and high end talent wasted on a poop roster

- Flyers_01

I would say more like Ottawa from 4-5 years ago.

No. Because that’s not speeding up anything. Do you fire coach or bring up player after player after player because team is is playing bad or whatever at a certain time? No you don’t. Boy you’d be replacing coach and players multiple times a year
- SMS4016

You're ignoring all the known facts.

…and what about the new CEO of Comcast Spectacor? Daniel Hilferty. Torts said he hasn’t even met him yet. Is he here to take over for Scott?
- Dkos

My understanding is no, he's not replacing Scott. At least not yet.

Exactly. The piss pot spoiled brats got mad and told mommy
- SMS4016

I wonder if Bill would like to retract any of his past statements regarding the influence the "country club" have on the team.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1631382209293590530

Pretty much the first 8 seconds says it all but then goes in depth on Barber.

Edit : Forgot TROX88 posted this yesterday.

Hextall took over in 2014. Signing JVR happened 4 years later. This organization would've never permitted a full tank.
- MJL

And there in lies the problem. The archaic beliefs of this team will never change. I said FOREVER this team would not win with g/Jake/summer/coots. I been calling for them to maximize trading those players for a decade. You’re right. They won’t. Ever. And they won’t win. Ever.

Until top to bottom a cleansing happens. The only thing left to do is lambblast there every move.

https://twitter.com/AntSa...SGOG9kLoH5rpIFl1cjiQ&s=19

I'll be surprised if they get any draft capital for the upcoming draft.

Hextall was not fired for alienating people. He was fired because the rebuild was taking too long in their eyes. You think in the real world how it works is people will put up with bad results if they like you? Sometimes, but in general, no that is not how it works. What are you talking about?
- MJL

I am not saying people will tolerate repeated epic failures, but in general if people like you they will put up with bad results, especially if they think those results are transient. I mean, you are seeing it right now with Chuck Fletcher, who should be fired but has managed to keep his job when the team has become a laughing stock for 3 seasons now. IMO, the ONLY reason Fletcher still has a job is because Scott and others in the organization like him and want to see him come out of this and succeed.

https://twitter.com/AntSanPhilly/status/1631674090434985984?t=KlSGOG9kLoH5rpIFl1cjiQ&s=19

I'll be surprised if they get any draft capital for the upcoming draft.
- Trox88

Someone asked ASF if he had a chance to ask other GMs what they think about Chucky, he said no, but maybe when the dust settles. I would love to hear those responses...especially the off the record ones.

Edit: Season ticket holders should force the Flyers front office to stream their daily activities...wtf do you do all day and end up with these results?

JVR for a 3rd…is the ask…as per trade breakers on tsn.

This certainly seems to be the case for Chuck Fletcher. He's run this team into the ground, yet Dave Scott likes the way he's built this organization. He's never seen the front office working this well together. Must be a joy to work with.
- BulliesPhan87

I am not saying people will tolerate repeated epic failures, but in general if people like you they will put up with bad results, especially if they think those results are transient. I mean, you are seeing it right now with Chuck Fletcher, who should be fired but has managed to keep his job when the team has become a laughing stock for 3 seasons now. IMO, the ONLY reason Fletcher still has a job is because Scott and others in the organization like him and want to see him come out of this and succeed.
- jd250

No, in general it is the opposite in the real world. People in power will not put up with bad results because they like somebody. What are you talking about?

Fletcher still has a job because people like Scott have been convinced that the injuries have hurt the team and that if it wasn't for those, the team would be competing for a playoff spot. You don't seem to understand that in the real world and especially the hockey world, the Flyers are not the norm. You hang on every word that Tortorella says. He recently said the Flyers are unprofessionally run.

https://twitter.com/AntSanPhilly/status/1631674090434985984?t=KlSGOG9kLoH5rpIFl1cjiQ&s=19

I'll be surprised if they get any draft capital for the upcoming draft.
- Trox88

Would be nice if we could pry Geekie from the Kraken in a JVR deal

JVR for a 3rd…is the ask…as per trade breakers on tsn.
- landros 2

I'd rather have Gurianov and JvR no question has more value than a Dadonov.

Take it for what it's worth but ASF believes that Fletcher will be fired after the season.

I would like to hear both Dave Scott's and Fletcher's comments on Tortorella saying the organization is unprofessionally run in a recent interview.
- MJL

So you are liking Torts now, right? The only one who has brought common sense to this leadership team, and has openly stated this teams needs to rebuild and had serious problems when he arrived! Heck, torts even got Fletcher to say "draft and develop" in his last presser. Its time you give Torts his due!

If you're a high level executive in any endeavor and a subordinate below you stated that your organization is unprofessionally run, how would you react to that?

So you are liking Torts now, right? The only one who has brought common sense to this leadership team, and has openly stated this teams needs to rebuild and had serious problems when he arrived! Heck, torts even got Fletcher to say "draft and develop" in his last presser. Its time you give Torts his due!
- jd250

Where did I say I'm liking Tortorella? You're being hoodwinked.

Jack Adams award winner, hands down.

I have been saying from day 1 it will not shock me if JVR isn't moved. If he is it will be a mid rd pick which is fine and expected to me.

1. Either JVR has little value.
2. Or Chuck just flat out dropped the ball.
- hello it's me 2050

Look, I hate Fletcher but I am not pinning this deadline on him. JVR is not a good player, and frankly he never really was that good to begin with. JVR is slow and is one-dimensional. If other teams wanted JVR, they would have got him already. You clearly see the number of trades happening around the league; if a team wants a player they get the player! The only Flyer players from the current roster that have real value to contending teams are Hart, Provey, TK, Laughton and maybe Tippet. Maybe Hayes in the off-season if the Flyers cover significant salary. That's it. JVR, Brown, Braun, all cannon fodder that teams can easily get within their own systems. Maybe Vegas is desperate enough to trade their 2023 2nd or 2024 3rd, but even that is a stretch at this point.

So you are liking Torts now, right? The only one who has brought common sense to this leadership team, and has openly stated this teams needs to rebuild and had serious problems when he arrived! Heck, torts even got Fletcher to say "draft and develop" in his last presser. Its time you give Torts his due!
- jd250

I think the problem most have with Torts is he is not what the Flyers need at the current moment, but that happens when the Flyers think they are further along then they are.

They need a Hakstol, even though I am not a fan of him, type of coach. The most with that is that type of coach would fail as long as the Flyers brass are in denial of where they are in reality. Give me a development coach, but has the accountability of Torts and I think it would work well.

I'd rather have Gurianov and JvR no question has more value than a Dadonov.
- Glak18

He is a talented kid. I would have been a lot better with Garianov I’ve a 3rd round pic k as well.

Look, I hate Fletcher but I am not pinning this deadline on him. JVR is not a good player, and frankly he never really was that good to begin with. JVR is slow and is one-dimensional. If other teams wanted JVR, they would have got him already. You clearly see the number of trades happening around the league; if a team wants a player they get the player! The only Flyers players from the current that have real value to contending teams are Hart, Provey, TK, Laughton and maybe Tippet. Maybe Hayes in the off-season if the Flyers cover significant salary. That's it. JVR, Brown, Braun, all cannon fodder that teams can easily get within their own systems.
- jd250

There are other players that have value such as Sanheim, Frost, Cates and York.


Tippet, that weak prospect that couldn't hold down a spot on Florida that Fletcher got fleeced on. Remember?

You're ignoring all the known facts.
- MJL

No I’m actually not. I acknowledge the fact that yes fo USED excuse of speed of rebuild theory. And yes it was a factor. There were many factors. But the teams play and speed of rebuild was down the list. Those are facts. Some people (fans) may think it was higher up the list and maybe gave the benefit of doubt to fo about that


You know how it’s clear that wasn’t the major reason ?

Look around the hockey world when hexy was fired. Not fans because they know pretty much nothing. The hockey world. The gms the reporters all the people in the know.

They were shocked hexy was fired!!! Sent shock and awww through the hockey world.

Why is that? I mean surely EVERYONE saw the team was playing bad and had issues. It’s because you don’t just fire gm like that. Gm’s get pressure all the time. Even if you’re winning.

Something stunk to the heavens in Philly

And it’s been proven from what’s happened and still happening to this day that the stench has only gotten worse.

You think a new mover and shaker GM is going to come in and magically change it all? Look CF blows, but we have been through this dance of change before and it ends up the same way.

Just like this mess everyone is complaining about is new, this was seen more than 10 years ago and most just covered their eyes making excuses. Unless major changes happen we will be talking about the same thing again in 5 years...with a new GM, new coach, new players.
- Glak18

Only positive I see is Comcast selling the team. Don’t think that will happen.