At the end of the day, $7M against the cap is hard for any contender to swallow. There were way easier targets out there that didn't require a bunch of cap gymnastics.

Not a reflection on JVR as a player.
- Tomahawk

flyers trade jvf (50% retained) and a 6th to the hawks. They have 1 retention spot left i think.

hawks trade jvr (50% retained) to team X. Team X sends a 4th to the flyers.

That is probably too complicated for Chuck.

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Philadelphia Flyers

The Flyers are a mess right now. They have the third-worst record in the East with no clear path back to contender status.

Instead of trading away veterans and stockpiling draft picks and prospects that could accelerate the rebuild, the Flyers didn't make any noteworthy moves. James van Riemsdyk could have helped a contender in need of scoring, but the Flyers held on to him despite the fact he'll be an unrestricted free agent this summer. Veteran defenseman Justin Braun is a pending UFA, too, and he also didn't get dealt.


This was one of the busiest trade deadlines in a long time and draft picks were being dealt left and right. For the Flyers not to get in on that action in a meaningful way is a failure by Fletcher.

flyers trade jvf (50% retained) and a 6th to the hawks. They have 1 retention spot left i think.

hawks trade jvr (50% retained) to team X. Team X sends a 4th to the flyers.

That is probably too complicated for Chuck.
- hello it's me 2050

And if the 'Hawks aren't willing or want a higher pick for the privilege? What happens to your trade then?

So the Flyers finally semi sort of admit they're going to rebuild and they pickup a 5th and 6th round draft pick.... and one of them is in 2024.

Well done Chuck, well done!

If a man can sit in front of the media and tell them all how bad he did and the mistakes he made then have the nerve to tell everyone he isn't worried about his job...well he's probably safe.


or extremely stupid.
- Glak18

That was a lot of extra words to get to the important part

I believe Chuck when he says the offers weren't good, but who actually drew interest? What did teams think they could get the Flyers to accept? I'm so starved of anything interesting to engage with concerning this team, lol.
- BulliesPhan87

One thing that is very important in trades is leverage. One thing the Flyers and Fletcher in particular are very bad at. After moving on from Hextall and announcing to the entire league that they thought with a few moves they could be right back in and that they want to be a cap team. Other GM's ears perked up and it was like sheep to the wolves. When you trade from a standpoint of having to make a deal. Chances are you aren't going to make a good deal. I knew when Fletcher dealt for Ellis and got a RH top pairing defenseman that cheap. Something didn't smell right. Same with Ristolainen and how he had to have him and outbid other teams. Buffalo was licking their chops. The Flyers have put themselves in that position far too often. I told another poster when those moves were made, including Atkinson who believed the Flyers were on the path to the cup. That those moves were more likely to hurt the Flyers than help them. It's a pretty sad affair when the fans seem to know more than the GM.

I don't get this salesman angle. I really don't. Every NHL team has a pro scouting department that goes around to watch the players on other teams. I'm not sure how a GM is expected to "sell" a player in which there is little interest.
- MJL

Saying every team has a scouting department is like saying every team has an analytics department. Results may vary, to put it mildly. Chuck does what Chuck wants to do regardless of the information he has at his disposal as shown with Risto and Deslauriers. Risto is one of the worst analytics defensemen in the league and it didn't stop Chuck from moving heaven and earth to get him and sign him to to a 5 year big money contract. It didn't stop him from making any of his disastrous signings, most of which you could see coming with good scouting and not ignoring analytics.

Is it to much to ask that there's another Chuck out there as GM for another team?

Saying every team has a scouting department is like saying every team has an analytics department. Results may vary, to put it mildly. Chuck does what Chuck wants to do regardless of the information he has at his disposal as shown with Risto and Deslauriers. Risto is one of the worst analytics defensemen in the league and it didn't stop Chuck from moving heaven and earth to get him and sign him to to a 5 year big money contract. It didn't stop him from making any of his disastrous signings, most of which you could see coming with good scouting and not ignoring analytics.

Is it to much to ask that there's another Chuck out there as GM for another team?
- Flyers_01

Unfortunately it is.

At the end of the day, $7M against the cap is hard for any contender to swallow. There were way easier targets out there that didn't require a bunch of cap gymnastics.

Not a reflection on JVR as a player.
- Tomahawk

It makes you wonder which organization was stupid enough to give JVR that anchor of a contract to begin with?

There is no part of this that doesn’t reflect terribly on the Flyer’s front office. People should be standing outside of wherever Dave Scott’ office is right now demanding that Fletcher and the country club be fired immediately.

And if the 'Hawks aren't willing or want a higher pick for the privilege? What happens to your trade then?
- Tomahawk

if this if that....this scenario played out numerous times over the last 10 days. Flyers just couldnt make it work right?

Chances are chuck didnt try over any other scenario imo.

Ok, let’s turn the page on today and focus on the next disaster, which is this: The Flyers are now attempting to build a contender in the image of John Tortorella.

This could get worse.

One thing that is very important in trades is leverage. One thing the Flyers and Fletcher in particular are very bad at. After moving on from Hextall and announcing to the entire league that they thought with a few moves they could be right back in and that they want to be a cap team. Other GM's ears perked up and it was like sheep to the wolves. When you trade from a standpoint of having to make a deal. Chances are you aren't going to make a good deal. I knew when Fletcher dealt for Ellis and got a RH top pairing defenseman that cheap. Something didn't smell right. Same with Ristolainen and how he had to have him and outbid other teams. Buffalo was licking their chops. The Flyers have put themselves in that position far too often. I told another poster when those moves were made, including Atkinson who believed the Flyers were on the path to the cup. That those moves were more likely to hurt the Flyers than help them. It's a pretty sad affair when the fans seem to know more than the GM.
- MJL

they have always been a cap team. Always. why do you keep mentioning that like they weren't?

Also what grade would you give Ronald in what will be his last trade deadline as the Pens GM

One thing that is very important in trades is leverage. One thing the Flyers and Fletcher in particular are very bad at. After moving on from Hextall and announcing to the entire league that they thought with a few moves they could be right back in and that they want to be a cap team. Other GM's ears perked up and it was like sheep to the wolves. When you trade from a standpoint of having to make a deal. Chances are you aren't going to make a good deal. I knew when Fletcher dealt for Ellis and got a RH top pairing defenseman that cheap. Something didn't smell right. Same with Ristolainen and how he had to have him and outbid other teams. Buffalo was licking their chops. The Flyers have put themselves in that position far too often. I told another poster when those moves were made, including Atkinson who believed the Flyers were on the path to the cup. That those moves were more likely to hurt the Flyers than help them. It's a pretty sad affair when the fans seem to know more than the GM.
- MJL

You don't think both Poile and Buffalo "Sold" Fletcher on those players? You say "selling" doesn't happen but I'm pretty sure Fletcher got sold on both those players to some degree.

Further, everything I've read says they should have traded UFA's, including Braun and you're the only person who claims there was no possible way to trade them. I think CF overplayed his hand. A couple other GMs had done so earlier, CBJ with Gavrikov to Boston and Arizona on Chychrun. The difference is they left themselves enough runway to recover and still make a reasonable deal.

Look at the trades that went down today. Names NOBODY has heard of for other names nobody has heard of. Braun is a RHD, he could have been traded.

Ok, let’s turn the page on today and focus on the next disaster, which is this: The Flyers are now attempting to build a contender in the image of John Tortorella.

This could get worse.
- StepfordSam

Well the next chapter is the draft and free agency. Let's see what moves are done then and there. I mean the blues still have 3 first round picks and likely are re-tooling. Is a Flyer able to fit into their plans?

Hard to care about any of the games any more until cuckie is fired

Hard to care about any of the games any more until cuckie is fired
- 2Real

Omfg fire this clown. I’ll tell you, I love this team but i didnt watched a game a a month and didn’t even watch the deadline closely. 10 or 15 years ago, id watch every transaction. Not anymore. It’s like the team doesn’t exist. Ffs.

if this if that....this scenario played out numerous times over the last 10 days. Flyers just couldnt make it work right?

Chances are chuck didnt try over any other scenario imo.
- hello it's me 2050

1) Nobody played intermediary for anything less than a 5th. Kane cost a 3rd. ROR, with a similar cap hit to JVR cost a 4th. Eating 25% of JVR for a 6th was not gonna happen.

2) The cost of 3rd-party retention was borne by the BUYER in every instance, not the seller. Otherwise it's just not worth it. Trade a 4th to get a 4th? Why?

3) Even if Chuck had managed to pull off EXACTLY what you suggested, you'd STILL be on here lambasting him just the same. Peddling JVR to move up from the early 6th-round to the late 4th-round is nearly as incendiary as doing nothing at all.

4) Anything less than a 2nd would have pissed the fanbase off and that just simply wasn't there.

Omfg fire this clown. I’ll tell you, I love this team but i didnt watched a game a a month and didn’t even watch the deadline closely. 10 or 15 years ago, id watch every transaction. Not anymore. It’s like the team doesn’t exist. Ffs.
- Hextall271

Even in 06-07 the games were watchable because you knew they were going to improve and drafts were fun to watch now it’s all poop until that stupid sloth brain is gone

We may have (frank)ed up some of Lindros years but CF is the worst GM this team has had

Prove to me nobody wants him. I think you underestimate how much teams need depth in the playoff runs and even if he's in the press box and a 7th guy it's worth a 7th round pick.
- Aaron_85

I am definitely not happy with Fletcher at all and think he should be fired but arguing about why he didn't trade Braun is pointless. What good is a 7th round pick, nobody wanted him so he is done at the end of this year case closed.

1) Nobody played intermediary for anything less than a 5th. Kane cost a 3rd. ROR, with a similar cap hit to JVR cost a 4th. Eating 25% for JVR for a 6th was not gonna happen.

2) The cost of 3rd-party retention was borne by the BUYER in every instance, not the seller. Otherwise it's just not worth it. Trade a 4th to get a 4th? Why?

3) Even if Chuck had managed to pull off EXACTLY what you suggested, you'd STILL be on here lambasting him just the same. Peddling JVR to move up from the early 6th-round to the late 4th-round is nearly as incendiary as doing nothing at all.

4) Anything less than a 2nd would have pissed the fanbase off and that simply just wasn't there.
- Tomahawk

Well stated. Add to the equation JVR's less than stellar performance this season making him more difficult to move.

You don't think both Poile and Buffalo "Sold" Fletcher on those players? You say "selling" doesn't happen but I'm pretty sure Fletcher got sold on both those players to some degree.


- Aaron_85

No, they didn't have to. By all reports Fletcher coveted Ristolainen for a while and was determined to trade for him. Fletcher was desperate to find a RH partner for the top pair to play with Provorov. Fletcher did all the selling for them.

Further, everything I've read says they should have traded UFA's, including Braun and you're the only person who claims there was no possible way to trade them. I think CF overplayed his hand. A couple other GMs had done so earlier, CBJ with Gavrikov to Boston and Arizona on Chychrun. The difference is they left themselves enough runway to recover and still make a reasonable deal.


- Aaron_85

That is not accurate. The only player I said that couldn't be traded is Braun. There was no interest and I knew there wouldn't be. He's done. I clearly stated in previous posts that I believe that it's most likely that Fletcher turned down an offer for JVR earlier hoping to get a better deal.

Look at the trades that went down today. Names NOBODY has heard of for other names nobody has heard of. Braun is a RHD, he could have been traded.
- Aaron_85

I don't understand this logic. This player was traded so therefore, Braun could of been traded. You just won't accept that Braun is cooked. He will likely be out of the league after this season,

😂😂 this team has nothing worth a decent trade to start a rebuild.

I am definitely not happy with Fletcher at all and think he should be fired but arguing about why he didn't trade Braun is pointless. What good is a 7th round pick, nobody wanted him so he is done at the end of this year case closed.
- Daceroni

7th round pick is good for Joe pavelski players

1) Nobody played intermediary for anything less than a 5th. Kane cost a 3rd. ROR, with a similar cap hit to JVR cost a 4th. Eating 25% of JVR for a 6th was not gonna happen.

2) The cost of 3rd-party retention was borne by the BUYER in every instance, not the seller. Otherwise it's just not worth it. Trade a 4th to get a 4th? Why?

3) Even if Chuck had managed to pull off EXACTLY what you suggested, you'd STILL be on here lambasting him just the same. Peddling JVR to move up from the early 6th-round to the late 4th-round is nearly as incendiary as doing nothing at all.

4) Anything less than a 2nd would have pissed the fanbase off and that just simply wasn't there.
- Tomahawk

1. then switch the pick. you get the gist

2. excuses it still can work. you know this.

3. wrong 100%. getting something for him is a win. even if trading a 5th to get a 4th. try again.

4. who give s poop about the fanbase when trading a UFA to be. you take what you can get. simple as that.

There is no limit on max contracts per team. There is not a single player in the league who has a max contract or even close to it.
- MJL

For poops and giggles considering how bad this team blows… I’d gladly give Connor and Matthews both max deals and field the rest of team as possible. Would be more interesting than this crap