Setagucchi scored 56 goals 1 season. Big (frank)ing deal.
Coots had a few nice years playing with g in g prime. He scored 30 goals once. Big (frank)ing deal.
He was really good defensively for awhile and even won a “token “ selke. Big (frank)ing deal. What’s the average over career? And don’t give me bs excuses of who played him where and all that. If you’re as good as you say he was guess what he would’ve forced his way into those minutes and situation to produce.

Die on the hill of overvalue him. They won a big cock with him 12 years bud.
Guess what they’re gonna win with him next 7 years. More cock.

19 years of coots. Yeah he’s great.
- SMS4016

You never have a grasp of the facts. Couturier is a two time 30 goal scorer. We'll start there. The we can deal with the other nonsense.

I believe the flyers as an organization want to win and by win I mean win the Stanley cup.
For someone like Dave Scott I believe he wants to see the flyers win the SC. Winning the SC isn’t his passion so he delegates to others. Delegating to others is fine but there is no accountability.
IMO that makes DS piss poor at his job.
When DS is piss poor at his job then CF gets away with a terrible track record.
DS doesn’t hold CF to account for not doing his due diligence on Ellis and Coots?
When your team sucks and going into what is considered a strong 2023 draft and you have minimal draft picks then your a terrible manager of the team.
I am 100 percent confident I could run the flyers better than the current crew.
- bird_dog_pa

Scott has to delegate. He has no hockey background. Everything he knows or believes about the sport. Has come from who has been influencing him.
What due diligence wasn't done with Couturier?

4. He wants to get younger and competitive (Lemieux)
- THE EVIL WITHIN

To be completely fair, Chuck did say he only took Lemieux back as a favor to LA so they didn't have to dump him off in a separate trade. He's probably not gonna be sticking around.

I believe the flyers as an organization want to win and by win I mean win the Stanley cup.
For someone like Dave Scott I believe he wants to see the flyers win the SC. Winning the SC isn’t his passion so he delegates to others. Delegating to others is fine but there is no accountability.
IMO that makes DS piss poor at his job.
When DS is piss poor at his job then CF gets away with a terrible track record.
DS doesn’t hold CF to account for not doing his due diligence on Ellis and Coots?
When your team sucks and going into what is considered a strong 2023 draft and you have minimal draft picks then your a terrible manager of the team.
I am 100 percent confident I could run the flyers better than the current crew.
- bird_dog_pa

I believe in actions…
There actions dictate that they don’t care about winning.. sure they SAY they do and poop maybe even they’d prefer them to win. But care? Nah. Not possible. They care about money. No way this poop is allowed to continue this long if they cared about winning

You never have a grasp of the facts. Couturier is a two time 30 goal scorer. We'll start there. The we can deal with the other nonsense.
- MJL

Ok let’s start there
Season in league…12
30 goal seasons.. 2
Talk about nonsense.

Ok let’s start there
Season in league…12
30 goal seasons.. 2
Talk about nonsense.
- SMS4016

Or if you’d like we can simply do basic math… let’s look at games played…. Goals scored…. Find the average… wanna bet it’s not 30 goals a season?

Because he’s not a 30 goal player

Let’s do his “points”. Wanna bet it’s not 70.

Talks about nonsense

Ok let’s start there
Season in league…12
30 goal seasons.. 2
Talk about nonsense.
- SMS4016

You're not making a point here. Couturier has 4 seasons in a row where he scored at or close to a 30 goal pace and 4 seasons in a row where he scored at 70 point or above pace. Before that when he was cast in a checking role without much PP time, he was scoring at a 2nd line level at ES. Twice now you've made the ridiculous statement that he was gifted the Selke or won a token Selke. Couturier in his career has finished in the top 10 of voting for the Selke 5 times. He has been a finalist for the award twice, winning it once.

Scott has to delegate. He has no hockey background. Everything he knows or believes about the sport. Has come from who has been influencing him.
What due diligence wasn't done with Couturier?
- MJL

I believe Fletcher right now is GM and President of Hockey Operations. I would hope from this debacle Scott has enough corporate sense to not allow one person to have both titles going forward. And for the love of god to remove Fletcher completely from the organization.

Or if you’d like we can simply do basic math… let’s look at games played…. Goals scored…. Find the average… wanna bet it’s not 30 goals a season?

Because he’s not a 30 goal player

Let’s do his “points”. Wanna bet it’s not 70.

Talks about nonsense
- SMS4016

Not making sense. It is a simple fact that Couturier has scored 30 goals in a season twice.

By your logic, Jack Hughes is not a 36 goal 74 point player because he doesn't average that in his career.

Connor McDavid is not a 50 goal scorer because he doesn't average that in his career.

You never have a grasp of the facts. Couturier is a two time 30 goal scorer. We'll start there. The we can deal with the other nonsense.
- MJL

Here’s the stats accounting for man games played divided over 82 game season he’s played…
8.79 years …

180 goals…

460 point….

That averages per season….
20 goals
32 assists

Yep he’s way above average. He’s literally the definition of average.

If you want to throw in his 1 selke token year fine

He’s slightly better than average

Those are the FACTS.

They are undisputable.

Any response of conjure is excuses

The deadline as a whole did not. I wasn't expecting much. Sometimes I wonder if there is something wrong with the memory of Flyers fans. In the recent past, the Flyers were able to trade with Buffalo, Columbus, Nashville, Carolina, Florida. Now because they didn't trade JVR. There may be something to the "not-many willing to deal with the Flyers conspiracy theory".
- MJL

Other than Giroux to Florida and Niskanen from Washington, did the Flyers come out on top of any of them? It is easy to be convinced to trade if you are thinking you are the guaranteed winner.

Not making sense. It is a simple fact that Couturier has scored 30 goals in a season twice.

By your logic, Jack Hughes is not a 36 goal 74 point player because he doesn't average that in his career.

Connor McDavid is not a 50 goal scorer because he doesn't average that in his career.
- MJL

Setagucchi scored 56 goals one year. Was he a 50 goal guy? Let’s sign him 8years. 8 mil per.

No one gives a flying (frank) if you do it once. Or even twice. What’s the average that’s who you are

No one wanted to give up a 3rd for him. Not unlike the Wild. No one wanted Dumba so they will let him walk.
- Minnyhock

Speaking of Dumba, how has he looked this season?

Here’s the stats accounting for man games played divided over 82 game season he’s played…
8.79 years …

180 goals…

460 point….

That averages per season….
20 goals
32 assists

Yep he’s way above average. He’s literally the definition of average.

If you want to throw in his 1 selke token year fine

He’s slightly better than average

Those are the FACTS.

They are undisputable.

Any response of conjure is excuses
- SMS4016

Players grow and progress as a player. When looking at a player and what a player is currently, you look at what the player is today. Not what he was as a rookie or what player he was 6 years ago. That's just common sense.

By your logic, there is like only 3 players in NHL history who are 50 goal scorers.

By the way, Devin Setoguchi never scored 56 goals in an NHL season. Not even close. His career high is 31 goals in a season.

Setagucchi scored 56 goals one year. Was he a 50 goal guy? Let’s sign him 8years. 8 mil per.

No one gives a flying (frank) if you do it once. Or even twice. What’s the average that’s who you are
- SMS4016

That's absurd. You are the player you are currently, not what your career average is. You don't have the facts again, which is a repeated pattern.

With your post, you've actually argued against yourself. You don't even know it. If a GM was going to sign a player to a new contract. Would he look at the caliber the player is today, or would he look at his career average. For example, if an older player has been a prolific scorer in his career but has aged to the point of no longer being a prolific scorer. Would he get the same level of contract now that he would've received in the past when he was a prolific scorer. Of course not.

I thought I was the ultimate flyers fan. A fan since 1970.
Bad team
No talent
Capped out
Nothing to trade to better the team
I don't know if I can follow this team anymore. It's heartbreaking.
- Flybynight88

They've managed to cure me of my unreasonable passion for the logo.

I can't believe how much I just don't care anymore.

That's absurd. You are the player you are currently, not what your career average is. You don't have the facts again, which is a repeated pattern.

With your post, you've actually argued against yourself. You don't even know it. If a GM was going to sign a player to a new contract. Would he look at the caliber the player is today, or would he look at his career average. For example, if an older player has been a prolific scorer in his career but has aged to the point of no longer being a prolific scorer. Would he get the same level of contract now that he would've received in the past when he was a prolific scorer. Of course not.
- MJL

0 games played this season

29 last year

Surely that a 30 goal guy 70 point guy.

Soooooo we discard his early days because “players progress”.
Because that fits a narrative

But we don’t also discard his present or recent because of injury? Or regression?

Ok that makes sense.

Either way he’s not a 30 goal player or 70 point player.

That's absurd. You are the player you are currently, not what your career average is. You don't have the facts again, which is a repeated pattern.

With your post, you've actually argued against yourself. You don't even know it. If a GM was going to sign a player to a new contract. Would he look at the caliber the player is today, or would he look at his career average. For example, if an older player has been a prolific scorer in his career but has aged to the point of no longer being a prolific scorer. Would he get the same level of contract now that he would've received in the past when he was a prolific scorer. Of course not.
- MJL

And again a gm should NOT look solely what a player did in past or currently when signing a contract. He should take all the info he has and project what a player will do DURING the new contract. In coots case he was never living up to that deal. NEVEEEEEER. AT BEST YOU MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN A FEW YEARS OF EQUALVALUE. And that’s at best. So far you gotten nada. Nada damn thing on this deal. Nada. Not even 1 game.


Let alone 30 goals and 70 points.

0 games played this season

29 last year

Surely that a 30 goal guy 70 point guy.

Soooooo we discard his early days because “players progress”.
Because that fits a narrative

But we don’t also discard his present or recent because of injury? Or regression?

Ok that makes sense.

Either way he’s not a 30 goal player or 70 point player.
- SMS4016

Then we go back to the comment I made earlier when you claimed he was a nail in the coffin. Nobody knows how Couturier is going to come back from injury. You can't tell what kind of player, a player is by not playing.

It doesn't fit a narrative. It's simply about the facts. Which you don't have a grasp of.

Players grow and progress as a player. When looking at a player and what a player is currently, you look at what the player is today. Not what he was as a rookie or what player he was 6 years ago. That's just common sense.

By your logic, there is like only 3 players in NHL history who are 50 goal scorers.

By the way, Devin Setoguchi never scored 56 goals in an NHL season. Not even close. His career high is 31 goals in a season.
- MJL

I do stand corrected. It was cheechoo with the miracle season not Setagucchi. Point being the same

And again a gm should NOT look solely what a player did in past or currently when signing a contract. He should take all the info he has and project what a player will do DURING the new contract. In coots case he was never living up to that deal. NEVEEEEEER. AT BEST YOU MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN A FEW YEARS OF EQUALVALUE. And that’s at best. So far you gotten nada. Nada damn thing on this deal. Nada. Not even 1 game.


Let alone 30 goals and 70 points.
- SMS4016

I assure you that the most relevant information that a GM would use in negotiating a new contract with a player in determining what kind of player he will be in the future. Will be what kind of a player he is today. What the player will command as a new contract will be based on his current level of production. Not his career average. For example, if a young player coming off of an ELC suddenly blossoms as a 3rd year player into a star. His next contract is going to be based on that one season. Not his career average.

By your logic, players like Brett Hull and Wayne Gretzky aren't 50 goal scorers because they didn't average 50 goals a season in their careers.

As far as your opinion on Couturier living up to his contract. That is your opinion and not a fact. Using caps and hyperbole is not helping you.

I do stand corrected. It was cheechoo with the miracle season not Setagucchi. Point being the same
- SMS4016

Cheechoo was a 50 goal scorer.

Then we go back to the comment I made earlier when you claimed he was a nail in the coffin. Nobody knows how Couturier is going to come back from injury. You can't tell what kind of player, a player is by not playing.

It doesn't fit a narrative. It's simply about the facts. Which you don't have a grasp of.
- MJL

The fact are he has 0 games and zero production on this contract. That’s a nail. Or is that not facts. To further your illogical stance you’re assuming he even comes back.

Let’s assume he does. Even tho with 2 back surgeries should we reasonably assume he’s a 30 goal player? 70 point guy? Would you as a gm look at him if he was Fa and sign him to his contract? Nope. No one would except maybe hehehehe chuck Fletcher.

He was at best at it’s a very debatable at best risky player all in all to sign for that contract when they did. The facts said then and they say now he’s not a 30 goal 70 point guy.

The best part is even if he NEVER plays another game you will defend him and that contract while spewing about philly and Fletcher.


Sorry bud ya can’t have it both ways.

Those are facts but let’s let it play out over next 7 years. Gives me great pleasure knowing you are wrong for 7 long years

They've managed to cure me of my unreasonable passion for the logo.

I can't believe how much I just don't care anymore.
- MrBuzzcut

I 2nd this….

And sadly never thought I’d see that day

The fact are he has 0 games and zero production on this contract. That’s a nail. Or is that not facts. To further your illogical stance you’re assuming he even comes back.

Let’s assume he does. Even tho with 2 back surgeries should we reasonably assume he’s a 30 goal player? 70 point guy? Would you as a gm look at him if he was Fa and sign him to his contract? Nope. No one would except maybe hehehehe chuck Fletcher.

He was at best at it’s a very debatable at best risky player all in all to sign for that contract when they did. The facts said then and they say now he’s not a 30 goal 70 point guy.

The best part is even if he NEVER plays another game you will defend him and that contract while spewing about philly and Fletcher.


Sorry bud ya can’t have it both ways.

Those are facts but let’s let it play out over next 7 years. Gives me great pleasure knowing you are wrong for 7 long years
- SMS4016

It's an 8 year contract. We don't know how he is going to recover. That will determine what happens. How am I assuming anything when I say we don't know how he is going to recover? You're not making sense.
Couturier was not injured and was perfectly healthy when he was signed to the contract extension. There is always some risk in signing any player to a long term contract.

Again, you're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. You want to create your own fantasy world and when confronted with facts, you respond with a lack of grasp of the facts and with hyperbole.

The both ways comment makes zero sense. You have no basis at this point in time to say that I'm wrong. I stand by everything I have said in the past concerning Couturier. I'll also repeat what I've said often. I don't think that anyone who wanted Couturier traded to gain future assets was wrong to believe that. That has merit.

Have a good night.