Other than Giroux to Florida and Niskanen from Washington, did the Flyers come out on top of any of them? It is easy to be convinced to trade if you are thinking you are the guaranteed winner.
- NC Flyers Fan

Thats moving the goalposts. If teams think they can take advantage of the Flyers in a trade. Wouldn't they want to trade with the Flyers? How does that fit in with the conspiracy theory?

I 2nd this….

And sadly never thought I’d see that day
- SMS4016

My favorite baseball team, Baltimore, lost 115 games in 2018.

They traded anyone of value for prospects, let the manager and GM walk and rebuilt from scratch.

They now have probably the best prospects in baseball.

I fully expect the Orioles to be in a World Series before the Flyers make a Cup final.

You never have a grasp of the facts. Couturier is a two time 30 goal scorer. We'll start there. The we can deal with the other nonsense.
- MJL

I've been a huge Coots fan since he came up with the team, but we have to face the facts...he might never play again, and even if he does, will not be the same player. Do you really think he will score 30 goals again?

Chuck should learn from the hockey nerd 🤓 Yzerman. He has stockpiled great picks in this deep draft.

0 games played this season

29 last year

Surely that a 30 goal guy 70 point guy.

Soooooo we discard his early days because “players progress”.
Because that fits a narrative

But we don’t also discard his present or recent because of injury? Or regression?

Ok that makes sense.

Either way he’s not a 30 goal player or 70 point player.
- SMS4016

Yes, sad to say but even if Coots comes back, he won't be as productive as he was a few years ago. That's life. If Coots hits 30 goals again, I'll give up beer. As i've said, I love Coots and respect all he did for our team. Sadly, he won't be the same if/when he returns.

I've been a huge Coots fan since he came up with the team, but we have to face the facts...he might never play again, and even if he does, will not be the same player. Do you really think he will score 30 goals again?
- Don Nachbaur

It'll be closer to 2 full years since he last played NHL hockey if/when he comes back. Which would be really cool for him to come back and play at some level of reasonable NHL hockey.

However, his 30 goal years are technically his peak/outlier years. He isn't normally that productive. There was a decline in his offense but as an outsider, I've always viewed him as a solid 2C. Gritty, can shut down other guys. Similar to Ryan O'Rielly. They aren't superstars but they definitely can get the job done and can be a #1 guy for a time. They need more support than say McDavid does.

Game of connect four between fletch and hex. Who wins and how many tries does it take?

Game of connect four between fletch and hex. Who wins and how many tries does it take?
- stayinthefnnet

What's the point of this question?

You're not making a point here. Couturier has 4 seasons in a row where he scored at or close to a 30 goal pace and 4 seasons in a row where he scored at 70 point or above pace. Before that when he was cast in a checking role without much PP time, he was scoring at a 2nd line level at ES. Twice now you've made the ridiculous statement that he was gifted the Selke or won a token Selke. Couturier in his career has finished in the top 10 of voting for the Selke 5 times. He has been a finalist for the award twice, winning it once.
- MJL

Pace? Oh I see. Let’s see here what’s his current pace?

ZERO

It'll be closer to 2 full years since he last played NHL hockey if/when he comes back. Which would be really cool for him to come back and play at some level of reasonable NHL hockey.

However, his 30 goal years are technically his peak/outlier years. He isn't normally that productive. There was a decline in his offense but as an outsider, I've always viewed him as a solid 2C. Gritty, can shut down other guys. Similar to Ryan O'Rielly. They aren't superstars but they definitely can get the job done and can be a #1 guy for a time. They need more support than say McDavid does.
- Aaron_85

Spot on analysis.

It's an 8 year contract. We don't know how he is going to recover. That will determine what happens. How am I assuming anything when I say we don't know how he is going to recover? You're not making sense.
Couturier was not injured and was perfectly healthy when he was signed to the contract extension. There is always some risk in signing any player to a long term contract.

Again, you're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. You want to create your own fantasy world and when confronted with facts, you respond with a lack of grasp of the facts and with hyperbole.

The both ways comment makes zero sense. You have no basis at this point in time to say that I'm wrong. I stand by everything I have said in the past concerning Couturier. I'll also repeat what I've said often. I don't think that anyone who wanted Couturier traded to gain future assets was wrong to believe that. That has merit.

Have a good night.
- MJL

He has 7 years left on contract. This was year 1. Wasted.

And it was extremely predictable he’d be injured. He already had a current history going into that extension and it was extremely likely with history that he’d be missing games and probably a decent amount.

You say current deal a gm will look a recent production but ignore the fact that coots had current or recent injury questions.

Add it all up and only a dumb gm would give out that contract. That was a major reason people wanted him moved for asset. Let someone else take that dumb risk that very rarely in coots type case pays off.

Those aren’t opinions. Those are facts.

Who’s right who wrong? Time will tell
So far you don’t even have a leg to stand on. There is no defense of that extension. None at all. The dude is cooked. 2 back surgeries. A shell of former self at best is to be expected.

I’m another word

A nail

In a coffin

My favorite baseball team, Baltimore, lost 115 games in 2018.

They traded anyone of value for prospects, let the manager and GM walk and rebuilt from scratch.

They now have probably the best prospects in baseball.

I fully expect the Orioles to be in a World Series before the Flyers make a Cup final.
- MrBuzzcut

At the very least you have hope that it could happen. With flyers there’s absolutely zero hope

I've been a huge Coots fan since he came up with the team, but we have to face the facts...he might never play again, and even if he does, will not be the same player. Do you really think he will score 30 goals again?
- Don Nachbaur

No logical person thinks he will ever score 30 again. They would pleasantly surprised if he does. Mjl has to die on that hill because he never admits he was wrong. And I also have always been a coots fan

Yes, sad to say but even if Coots comes back, he won't be as productive as he was a few years ago. That's life. If Coots hits 30 goals again, I'll give up beer. As i've said, I love Coots and respect all he did for our team. Sadly, he won't be the same if/when he returns.
- Don Nachbaur

Hey I’m a coots fan too. And I wish it were different but I don’t live in fantasy land. He could even come back and have a great season or maybe a few who knows. But to defend and expect or give the benefit of doubt is dumb. Plain and simple. It literally sounds like fo speak

It'll be closer to 2 full years since he last played NHL hockey if/when he comes back. Which would be really cool for him to come back and play at some level of reasonable NHL hockey.

However, his 30 goal years are technically his peak/outlier years. He isn't normally that productive. There was a decline in his offense but as an outsider, I've always viewed him as a solid 2C. Gritty, can shut down other guys. Similar to Ryan O'Rielly. They aren't superstars but they definitely can get the job done and can be a #1 guy for a time. They need more support than say McDavid does.
- Aaron_85

Not in eyes of mjl he’s a great 1c. This debate has been ongoing for years. A hill to die on. As an outsider who would you take coots obverse as a 1c leaguewide? Taking everything into consideration? Offense defense age contract? I myself see him as a great 2c and bottom 10 1c

At the very least you have hope that it could happen. With flyers there’s absolutely zero hope
- SMS4016

The hope springs from the organization's acceptance that things weren't right and making the choice to start over.

Until the Flyers do that there is no hope.

No logical person thinks he will ever score 30 again. They would pleasantly surprised if he does. Mjl has to die on that hill because he never admits he was wrong. And I also have always been a coots fan
- SMS4016

Yea, it sucks bc I hate to see a warrior like Coots not only on the shelf, but possibly never play again. If Coots does come back, he won't be the same. That said, at least he will get paid the next 8 years!

Not in eyes of mjl he’s a great 1c. This debate has been ongoing for years. A hill to die on. As an outsider who would you take coots obverse as a 1c leaguewide? Taking everything into consideration? Offense defense age contract? I myself see him as a great 2c and bottom 10 1c
- SMS4016

Without injury there's a fair few I'd take ahead of him. Matthews, McDavid, Drysaddle, Crosby, Malkin...MacK

What's the point of this question?
- Aaron_85

Love to see two great minds just go at it and try to match wits

Without injury there's a fair few I'd take ahead of him. Matthews, McDavid, Drysaddle, Crosby, Malkin...MacK
- Aaron_85

Honestly as far as 1c goes there’s very few I wouldnt take over him. At least at this stage of the game

Yea, it sucks bc I hate to see a warrior like Coots not only on the shelf, but possibly never play again. If Coots does come back, he won't be the same. That said, at least he will get paid the next 8 years!
- Don Nachbaur

Yep I never begrudge a player from getting the bag. It’s a business after all. He was gonna get paid by someone as league is still archaic like that. But we see over last few season how much that is changing. Well not from philly but the smart teams. It’s young mans game now and the pay is going that way more and more with every big contract. We even see the decline in asset movement with regards to older players in trades. Within a decade we won’t see players turning 30 ever getting close to these 7/8 year deals and that’s good. 99% of the time they not only don’t end well but at least half the deal term ends bad. Dumb actually this hasn’t changed sooner

It'll be closer to 2 full years since he last played NHL hockey if/when he comes back. Which would be really cool for him to come back and play at some level of reasonable NHL hockey.

However, his 30 goal years are technically his peak/outlier years. He isn't normally that productive. There was a decline in his offense but as an outsider, I've always viewed him as a solid 2C. Gritty, can shut down other guys. Similar to Ryan O'Rielly. They aren't superstars but they definitely can get the job done and can be a #1 guy for a time. They need more support than say McDavid does.
- Aaron_85

We unquestionably overrate Sean Couturier on this board. He has a job to do and he does it well. Playing on a line with Claude Giroux, Giroux was the straw that stirred the drink for that line. Giroux is the straw that stirs the drink for his current line. I would argue taking Giroux off center and placing him on wing to support Couturier hurt all the other lines for years, especially the depth down the middle.

Yea, it sucks bc I hate to see a warrior like Coots not only on the shelf, but possibly never play again. If Coots does come back, he won't be the same. That said, at least he will get paid the next 8 years!
- Don Nachbaur

When his contract is traded to Phoenix to reach the cap floor, he might be the only player who won’t actually suit up but will actually move there.

We unquestionably overrate Sean Couturier on this board. He has a job to do and he does it well. Playing on a line with Claude Giroux, Giroux was the straw that stirred the drink for that line. Giroux is the straw that stirs the drink for his current line. I would argue taking Giroux off center and placing him on wing to support Couturier hurt all the other lines for years, especially the depth down the middle.
- SuperSchennBros

This.
Coots is a very good 2C, which is where he should have been.
And coots at 2c means you did not need Hayes and his contract
Also, a healthy NP would have potentially changed the dynamics of all this as well

Is a more competent GM able to trade JVR at 50% retention for draft pick?