I wouldn't even use the Eichel and O'Reilly trades as comparable to the PLD, they both had term.

A better one is Horvat who signed an extension when he was traded. That would probably be best case scenario, more likely the Jets would get what they got in the Trouba trade or Ottawa the Stone trade.
- BWJumper

I am looking forward to getting Pionked in a trade!

#firechevy

Sorry Jets fans but this mythical pot of gold that you can get in a PLD trade doesn't exist.

In fact if you are trying to get Hellebuyck and Scheifele to sign extensions that probably involves convincing them that you are serious about winning and trading PLD for a futures package probably isn't a great idea.
One more year of PLD is better than the promise that in 2 to 3 years a 2023 first round pick will be NHL ready in the minds of Scheifele and Hellebuyck.
- BWJumper

I mean what has Chev/Chip done to show Helle and Scheifele that the organization is serious about winning, its been a long time, if Chevy and Chipman haven't done it yet its unlikely they ever will and keeping Dubois as an own rental isn't likely to have either of #37 or #55 thinking: "Oh yeah they're serious now I'm totally extending here for another 5 years"

Sorry Jets fans but this mythical pot of gold that you can get in a PLD trade doesn't exist.

In fact if you are trying to get Hellebuyck and Scheifele to sign extensions that probably involves convincing them that you are serious about winning and trading PLD for a futures package probably isn't a great idea.
One more year of PLD is better than the promise that in 2 to 3 years a 2023 first round pick will be NHL ready in the minds of Scheifele and Hellebuyck.
- BWJumper

Curious why you think teams wouldn’t trade for PLD who onky needs to qualified at 6 million? Teams over pay for pure rentals every year. Why is it impossible to assume someone would take a chance on PLD?

As for Shief and Helle, absolutely, I have no idea if they want to stay or go, but with a cap o my so many teams can offer them long term deals at 9 or above. And if the jets choose to trade all three, I’m here for it!!!!

I'd say that Wednesday's home game against the Wild is now a must-win for the Jets because after that they have to play some really good teams which include Lightning , Bruins, and Hurricanes.....and then the big game against the Preds.

Going to be an important week for this team. Let's see what they are really made of ? After the next 12 days, the schedule and opponents eases off so for these next 6 games it's really crunch time for the Jets.

I mean what has Chev/Chip done to show Helle and Scheifele that the organization is serious about winning, its been a long time, if Chevy and Chipman haven't done it yet its unlikely they ever will and keeping Dubois as an own rental isn't likely to have either of #37 or #55 thinking: "Oh yeah they're serious now I'm totally extending here for another 5 years"
- JetFuel

What has Scheifele done to show Chevy and Chipman that he is serious about winning ?

What has Scheifele done to show Chevy and Chipman that he is serious about winning ?
- bennythehat

He’s performed with a variety of wingers. Not even Connor McDavid can turn the Oilers into contenders as he needs his GM to bring in others to help him win.

What has Scheifele done to show Chevy and Chipman that he is serious about winning ?
- bennythehat

Guess being a point per game player and carrying around Wheeler's corpse isn't enough.

a few thoughts:

-overall last night vs sharks was not as painful to watch as most of the other Jets losses (or even wins) since the all-star break
-thier goalie was better than ours last night, Rittich was fighting the puck, rebound control and stops were not easy for him last night. He was just ok. The first goal was the worst following an unnecessary rebound
-i didn't hate the pp as much as some other commentary did. NN showed some promise with his play in the slot and made a bit of a different look, the chemistry will grow. they mostly entered the zone well and got set up a few times. No results is tough to defend though.
-faceoffs also lost the game. 68% wins by Sharks?! I would like to see what the %s were for faceoffs in the ozone or dzone. On the pp and late in the game I think the sharks won them all. Winning one of the last two faceoffs in the last 40 seconds or so of the 3rd would have likely won the game.
-why not have Lowry/Stenland/Apples on the ice at the end of a one goal game? Use the timeout if needed. They are the best defenders and did a good job on the pk. also give the best chance to win a faceoff
-i really like what i saw from NN and Namestnikov fit as well. I will give Chevy a C on the trade deadline day, better than others are rating him, but still don't think he is the GM who can lead the jets to a cup.
-Wheeler is still a serviceable player who happens to be overpaid now. He earned his money a few years back with a run of years over a ppg, top 5 points/assist totals in the NHL, steady work ethic. He still works hard, the speed and reaction time just isn't there anymore. 2nd line pp and fill in up and down the lineup is a good roll for him now.

I mean what has Chev/Chip done to show Helle and Scheifele that the organization is serious about winning, its been a long time, if Chevy and Chipman haven't done it yet its unlikely they ever will and keeping Dubois as an own rental isn't likely to have either of #37 or #55 thinking: "Oh yeah they're serious now I'm totally extending here for another 5 years"
- JetFuel

I wouldn't say they aren't serious about winning. Incompetent is more like it.

The Jets don't have to keep PLD they would just have to find another good 2c. Both send the message that they want to win in 2024.

Curious why you think teams wouldn’t trade for PLD who onky needs to qualified at 6 million? Teams over pay for pure rentals every year. Why is it impossible to assume someone would take a chance on PLD?

As for Shief and Helle, absolutely, I have no idea if they want to stay or go, but with a cap o my so many teams can offer them long term deals at 9 or above. And if the jets choose to trade all three, I’m here for it!!!!
- Ross77

Teams will trade for PLD they just won't give up this great package fans seem to think they will get. Same goes for Scheifele and Hellebuyck if they are trading them too.
I don't know what you think an "overpay" is but teams are willing to part with draft picks but you almost never see them give away legit top prospects.


BTW PLD's contract won't be six. The Jets will qualify him at 6 and he will go to arbitration looking for a deal that pays him Horvat or Larkin money. Arbitrators usually split the difference so he will probably come in at 7.5

Guess being a point per game player and carrying around Wheeler's corpse isn't enough.
- JetFuel

I guess I was thinking more along the lines of his pathetic defensive play, and his poor faceoff prowess.

Teams will trade for PLD they just won't give up this great package fans seem to think they will get. Same goes for Scheifele and Hellebuyck if they are trading them too.
I don't know what you think an "overpay" is but teams are willing to part with draft picks but you almost never see them give away legit top prospects.


BTW PLD's contract won't be six. The Jets will qualify him at 6 and he will go to arbitration looking for a deal that pays him Horvat or Larkin money. Arbitrators usually split the difference so he will probably come in at 7.5
- BWJumper

Just a note on PLD last night. He was absolutely terrible. Lost most puck battles, made bad plays, bad passes, no shots on net, no hits, no dangerous chances. He did not get involved in anything rough at all. Literally did nothing right. He is obviously still hurting and it showed. Still we expect a lot lot more from PLD than his game against the Sharks. Last night we were better to have someone else in the lineup than him.


I wasn't too far off on PLD. Has not skated in past few practices or optional skates. Not sure if he is even dressed tonight. We shall see in a few minutes.

Teams will trade for PLD they just won't give up this great package fans seem to think they will get. Same goes for Scheifele and Hellebuyck if they are trading them too.
I don't know what you think an "overpay" is but teams are willing to part with draft picks but you almost never see them give away legit top prospects.


BTW PLD's contract won't be six. The Jets will qualify him at 6 and he will go to arbitration looking for a deal that pays him Horvat or Larkin money. Arbitrators usually split the difference so he will probably come in at 7.5
- BWJumper

If he goes to arbitration it'll be for a one year deal no?

I don't think he or his agent will let it get that but we'll see, he's left money on the table twice now to get to where he wants to gore's, he's taking a risk doing that a third time.

I guess I was thinking more along the lines of his pathetic defensive play, and his poor faceoff prowess.
- bennythehat

Well thats not debatable, he sucks at both those things though I'm not sure if he improved at faceoffs that'd it'd really sway Chevy either way that he should go all in with this group.

Teams will trade for PLD they just won't give up this great package fans seem to think they will get. Same goes for Scheifele and Hellebuyck if they are trading them too.
I don't know what you think an "overpay" is but teams are willing to part with draft picks but you almost never see them give away legit top prospects.


BTW PLD's contract won't be six. The Jets will qualify him at 6 and he will go to arbitration looking for a deal that pays him Horvat or Larkin money. Arbitrators usually split the difference so he will probably come in at 7.5
- BWJumper

I'm not expecting some massive over pay for PLD or Shief, those trades would be in line with what you'd expect, pick, prospect and probably a cap dump. but yes, Helle would generate significant interest and a potential bidding war!! Desperate teams like Toronto and Edmonton would see Helle as the final piece to a cup win and could absolutely get into a bidding war. most people didnt like the Eric Karlson trade for Ottawa when they made it but if you look back now, it was a massive win for them

I'm not expecting some massive over pay for PLD or Shief, those trades would be in line with what you'd expect, pick, prospect and probably a cap dump. but yes, Helle would generate significant interest and a potential bidding war!! Desperate teams like Toronto and Edmonton would see Helle as the final piece to a cup win and could absolutely get into a bidding war. most people didnt like the Eric Karlson trade for Ottawa when they made it but if you look back now, it was a massive win for them
- Ross77

Erik Karlsson is about to become the 8th defenseman in NHL history to get over a 100 points. Don’t see that as a massive win. It’s not Karlsson’s fault that San Jose messed up with their other assets.

Ottawa has not made the playoffs since Karlsson left and it looks like they will miss again this year. Explain this massive win to me.

a few thoughts:

-overall last night vs sharks was not as painful to watch as most of the other Jets losses (or even wins) since the all-star break
-thier goalie was better than ours last night, Rittich was fighting the puck, rebound control and stops were not easy for him last night. He was just ok. The first goal was the worst following an unnecessary rebound
-i didn't hate the pp as much as some other commentary did. NN showed some promise with his play in the slot and made a bit of a different look, the chemistry will grow. they mostly entered the zone well and got set up a few times. No results is tough to defend though.
-faceoffs also lost the game. 68% wins by Sharks?! I would like to see what the %s were for faceoffs in the ozone or dzone. On the pp and late in the game I think the sharks won them all. Winning one of the last two faceoffs in the last 40 seconds or so of the 3rd would have likely won the game.
-why not have Lowry/Stenland/Apples on the ice at the end of a one goal game? Use the timeout if needed. They are the best defenders and did a good job on the pk. also give the best chance to win a faceoff
-i really like what i saw from NN and Namestnikov fit as well. I will give Chevy a C on the trade deadline day, better than others are rating him, but still don't think he is the GM who can lead the jets to a cup.
-Wheeler is still a serviceable player who happens to be overpaid now. He earned his money a few years back with a run of years over a ppg, top 5 points/assist totals in the NHL, steady work ethic. He still works hard, the speed and reaction time just isn't there anymore. 2nd line pp and fill in up and down the lineup is a good roll for him now.
- 2.0

Just some thoughts back, lol. I am not really arguing with you tbh, your posts are good!

-overall last night vs sharks was not as painful to watch as most of the other Jets losses (or even wins) since the all-star break I thought it was like shinny hockey between two not so good teams.

-faceoffs also lost the game. 68% wins by Sharks?! I would like to see what the %s were for faceoffs in the ozone or dzone. On the pp and late in the game I think the sharks won them all. Winning one of the last two faceoffs in the last 40 seconds or so of the 3rd would have likely won the game. Ya, this has been the issue all year long and the tie-ing goal, Wpg lost the draw, thus lost possession, nice tip by Wheeler I think and tie game. Terrible F/O % in some games this year

-why not have Lowry/Stenland/Apples on the ice at the end of a one goal game? Use the timeout if needed. They are the best defenders and did a good job on the pk. also give the best chance to win a faceoff I believe it was an icing wasn't it on the very last play that resulted in the goal? So they couldn't change? But ya, perhaps that line should have NOT been out there late in the game cause they were hooped when Wheeler iced the puck.

-i really like what i saw from NN and Namestnikov fit as well. I will give Chevy a C on the trade deadline day, better than others are rating him, but still don't think he is the GM who can lead the jets to a cup. My sh!tty rating included asset mgmt factor. Hindsight is 20/20 and I do agree that NN and NKV (i can't spell his name yet) appear to be intelligent players that seem to be able to factor into actual plays that result in something, unlike some others. So, C definitely works, I think everyone hoped for more to make some noise but clearly mgmt had no intention of doing so.

-Wheeler is still a serviceable player who happens to be overpaid now. He earned his money a few years back with a run of years over a ppg, top 5 points/assist totals in the NHL, steady work ethic. He still works hard, the speed and reaction time just isn't there anymore. 2nd line pp and fill in up and down the lineup is good roll for him now. Yup, not much to add to this one lol

Erik Karlsson is about to become the 8th defenseman in NHL history to get over a 100 points. Don’t see that as a massive win. It’s not Karlsson’s fault that San Jose messed up with their other assets.

Ottawa has not made the playoffs since Karlsson left and it looks like they will miss again this year. Explain this massive win to me.
- TheUltimateJet

ottawa was entering a rebuild, would never have won with EK. San jose has not won with EK and are now trying to trade him to kick start their rebuild. Ottawa came away with Stutzle and Norris, ( their top 2 centers ) and Stutzle who is now seen as the best player in his draft year. both these guys are locked up long term. there were other players and picks as well involved in that trade ( Demelo for one who Ottawa should've never traded !!!!)

so yes, massive win since neither team has won anything since the trade, San jose is still rebuilding where Norris and Stutzle are massive peices for the Sens future.

massive win for ottawa. EK could put up 200 points this year and wouldnt change that

I'm not expecting some massive over pay for PLD or Shief, those trades would be in line with what you'd expect, pick, prospect and probably a cap dump. but yes, Helle would generate significant interest and a potential bidding war!! Desperate teams like Toronto and Edmonton would see Helle as the final piece to a cup win and could absolutely get into a bidding war. most people didnt like the Eric Karlson trade for Ottawa when they made it but if you look back now, it was a massive win for them
- Ross77

Colorado was the definition of desperate in 2021 looking for a starter after all the free agents went somewhere else and all they gave up for Kuemper was a 1st and Conor Timmins who Arizona traded a year later.

If we are talking teams that may be desperate for goaltending I'd look more at St.Louis who seem to want to retool than rebuild or Detroit. At least they have middle 2023 1st round picks Edm doesn't have one and Tor is Bostons which is a bottom 5.

Colorado was the definition of desperate in 2021 looking for a starter after all the free agents went somewhere else and all they gave up for Kuemper was a 1st and Conor Timmins who Arizona traded a year later.

If we are talking teams that may be desperate for goaltending I'd look more at St.Louis who seem to want to retool than rebuild or Detroit. At least they have middle 2023 1st round picks Edm doesn't have one and Tor is Bostons which is a bottom 5.
- BWJumper

i wouldnt compare Kuempher to Helle, Helle has been a top 3 goalie in the NHL for a very long time. the Jets are a bottom 5 team the last 5 years without him. when was the last time a goalie of Helle's level was traded?

i wouldnt compare Kuempher to Helle, Helle has been a top 3 goalie in the NHL for a very long time. the Jets are a bottom 5 team the last 5 years without him. when was the last time a goalie of Helle's level was traded?
- Ross77

Kuemper has the numbers over the past 5 years just not the health or he would be in the conversation as a top goalie.

I guess we will see. If the Jets were smart they would realize that making a 31 year old goaltender one of the highest paid is not an optimal use of their cap space and trade him, whatever the return is.

Kuemper has the numbers over the past 5 years just not the health or he would be in the conversation as a top goalie.

I guess we will see. If the Jets were smart they would realize that making a 31 year old goaltender one of the highest paid is not an optimal use of their cap space and trade him, whatever the return is.
- BWJumper

Memo to Chevy - maybe drafting and developing a goalie or two would be a good plan !

Kuemper has the numbers over the past 5 years just not the health or he would be in the conversation as a top goalie.

I guess we will see. If the Jets were smart they would realize that making a 31 year old goaltender one of the highest paid is not an optimal use of their cap space and trade him, whatever the return is.
- BWJumper

I have no problem with Helle, but a 8 year deal at 10 per, kinda makes me sick (at his age).

If you look at two of the hotter goalies this year, Gustavsson in Minnesota and Ullmark in Boston, both were had for either free (free agent Ullmark), or reasonable price (cap dump in Talbot). If we were to lose Helle, it's not to say the team will never compete again.

Memo to Chevy - maybe drafting and developing a goalie or two would be a good plan !
- bennythehat

Also a couple of RD would be nice maybe a C considering it's been 12 years since they drafted Scheifele