Gostisbehere is a better player than DeAngelo is. Remember when we had that conversation previously? He is just as good offensively and better defensively. Nice addition by the Canes.
- MJL

And he's a really good dude.

I hope he re-signs in Carolina. That team will appreciate him.

Gostisbehere is a better player than DeAngelo is. Remember when we had that conversation previously? He is just as good offensively and better defensively. Nice addition by the Canes.
- MJL

Yeah, I remember. And time will tell if that is actually true. The Canes played Angelo on their first defense pair last year. I doubt they will do that with Ghost. Nothing has been proven yet just cause Ghost had a couple of good games with the Canes. He was able to free lance in Arizona, but he'll have to play a structured game in Carolina. We shall see how he really fits in the next few months. I still think he is nothing more than a PP specialist, but who knows.

At least wait until Ghost has a bad game or two before laying into him. The Flyers have their own bad in his own zone offensive defenseman who was -1 against a team that was outscored 3-1.
- Flyers_01

I was responding to another poster that called Ghost the goat. That's all. I wasn't laying into him just for the hell of it. We shall see how he fits in with the Canes when reality becomes reality.

You don't think York will be better next year? How about Tippet, you think he might take the next step and score 25-30 goals? How about TK, you think he might continue to play like he did this season? Cates won't be better? Farabee will be healthier but yet won't be better? My point was simply if you add some young top end talent on this current roster, with the goalies they have and players they have in place, this will be at least a playoff team. I don't find this take to be too dumbfounded or controversial.
- jd250

I don't think this is outlandish as many folks on here think. There are a lot of ifs attached to it though. For starters, you'd need Atkinson and Coots to comeback healthy. They could add 60 goals to this lineup if that is the case. Then you have TK, Tippett and Cates. Tippett and TK certainly could be 30 goal scorers. Farabee could get back to 25 or so with a healthy season. You have two very capable goalies. I don't think it's far fetched at all, but lots would have to go right.

We'll see how much of a goat he is when things get much more physical come playoff time and he runs home to Mommy!
- Phillywhiteout

This. Reminds me of the beginning of the year when people were bring up the future elite shut down man in Myers. How’d his season end up in Tampa?

Also all remember t d a. Put up plenty of points for the canes as well. Ghost has 4 points on the P.p. Yes this is his strength. But agree. Let’s wait until we get to the playoffs, Especially when the whistles are not blown the same and it gets physical. .

Also both games the canes won with 6 goals.

Yeah, I remember. And time will tell if that is actually true. The Canes played Angelo on their first defense pair last year. I doubt they will do that with Ghost. Nothing has been proven yet just cause Ghost had a couple of good games with the Canes. He was able to free lance in Arizona, but he'll have to play a structured game in Carolina. We shall see how he really fits in the next few months. I still think he is nothing more than a PP specialist, but who knows.
- Phillywhiteout

We don't need time to tell if that is true. It is already known. We also know that he is more than just a PP specialist. We have actual data to look at rather than just making an uninformed stab at it. That he was able to just free lance in Arizona, is just something you made up.

I don't think this is outlandish as many folks on here think. There are a lot of ifs attached to it though. For starters, you'd need Atkinson and Coots to comeback healthy. They could add 60 goals to this lineup if that is the case. Then you have TK, Tippett and Cates. Tippett and TK certainly could be 30 goal scorers. Farabee could get back to 25 or so with a healthy season. You have two very capable goalies. I don't think it's far fetched at all, but lots would have to go right.
- Phillywhiteout

It's pretty outlandish. Also not considering that players like Provorov or Konecny could be traded. We have no clue what this team is going to do this off season but I seriously doubt it's anything that lifts this team into playoff contention.

We don't need time to tell if that is true. It is already known. We also know that he is more than just a PP specialist. We have actual data to look at rather than just making an uninformed stab at it. That he was able to just free lance in Arizona, is just something you made up.
- MJL

This should be altered to say that YOU already know. It hasn't been proven to me that he can fit into a structured team that is vying for a Cup championship. I saw an interview with Ghost after the game and he mentioned how much he has to learn about the Canes system. He starts free lancing and costs the Canes down the stretch or in the playoffs , and Brindy will have him picking splinters in no time.

You don't think York will be better next year? How about Tippet, you think he might take the next step and score 25-30 goals? How about TK, you think he might continue to play like he did this season? Cates won't be better? Farabee will be healthier but yet won't be better? My point was simply if you add some young top end talent on this current roster, with the goalies they have and players they have in place, this will be at least a playoff team. I don't find this take to be too dumbfounded or controversial.
- jd250

They may get better. No guarantee they do. Is it also possible they regress?

Lets for arguments say they do take the next step. They are still near the bottom of the conference.

You can also apply the they will get better next year to all the other teams as well no?

How an they acquire this young top end talent you always peak of? High draft picks as you always say. Well for that to happen players who you do not want to move need to be moved out.

Any realistic fan realized they will not be a playoff team the next 5 years all things being equal.

It's pretty outlandish. Also not considering that players like Provorov or Konecny could be traded. We have no clue what this team is going to do this off season but I seriously doubt it's anything that lifts this team into playoff contention.
- MJL

I would say that it is unlikely, but not outlandish. Semantics I guess?

This. Reminds me of the beginning of the year when people were bring up the future elite shut down man in Myers. How’d his season end up in Tampa?

Also all remember t d a. Put up plenty of points for the canes as well. Ghost has 4 points on the P.p. Yes this is his strength. But agree. Let’s wait until we get to the playoffs, Especially when the whistles are not blown the same and it gets physical. .

Also both games the canes won with 6 goals.
- Peter Richards

And he's a really good dude.

I hope he re-signs in Carolina. That team will appreciate him.
- Tomahawk

as is Tony D. Love Tony D

I don't think this is outlandish as many folks on here think. There are a lot of ifs attached to it though. For starters, you'd need Atkinson and Coots to comeback healthy. They could add 60 goals to this lineup if that is the case. Then you have TK, Tippett and Cates. Tippett and TK certainly could be 30 goal scorers. Farabee could get back to 25 or so with a healthy season. You have two very capable goalies. I don't think it's far fetched at all, but lots would have to go right.
- Phillywhiteout

flyers management loves fans like you. 60 goals lol. When was last time they both hit 30 goals?

When did farabee ever hit 25 goals? Tippet hasnt even sniffed 30 yet.

It is far fetched. When you look at it realistically.

We don't need time to tell if that is true. It is already known. We also know that he is more than just a PP specialist. We have actual data to look at rather than just making an uninformed stab at it. That he was able to just free lance in Arizona, is just something you made up.
- MJL

switch teams then who is the 'better" dman? he will do well in carolina.

no it isnt.

This should be altered to say that YOU already know. It hasn't been proven to me that he can fit into a structured team that is vying for a Cup championship. I saw an interview with Ghost after the game and he mentioned how much he has to learn about the Canes system. He starts free lancing and costs the Canes down the stretch or in the playoffs , and Brindy will have him picking splinters in no time.
- Phillywhiteout

The question wasn't if he can fit into a structured team that is vying for the cup. The question is if he is a better player. Specifically if he is a better defensive player. Every player who comes to a new team has to learn their system. This idea of Gostisbehere free lancing is something you have invented.

And he's a really good dude.

I hope he re-signs in Carolina. That team will appreciate him.
- Tomahawk

I think his next deal will be reasonable and someone will see good value

I think his next deal will be reasonable and someone will see good value
- wcorvette

chuckles will offer 3 years at 5M for him

chuckles will offer 3 years at 5M for him
- corduroy

Trade a 2nd for his rights before free agency starts.

flyers management loves fans like you. 60 goals lol. When was last time they both hit 30 goals?

When did farabee ever hit 25 goals? Tippet hasnt even sniffed 30 yet.

It is far fetched. When you look at it realistically.
- hello it's me 2050

Perhaps you should look at stats. And trust me...I'm a much more hardened fan than you'll ever be. Coots and Atkinson have both proven to be 30 goal scorers when healthy and that is the assumption here. Farabee certainly has shown the talent to be a 25 goal scorer. I think he has had 20 before (not a stats guy so don't know). I thought he was leading the Flyers in goals scored before getting hurt last season. During the broadcast last night Brian Boucher said that Tippett looks like one of those players that is ready to breakout and have a 35-40 goal season. Tippett certainly has the game to be a 30 goal guy and if you can't see that I don't know what to tell you. Flyers management does not love fans like me. We were season ticket holders for 20 years (1985-2005), but I haven't been to a game since the Pens/Flyers playoff series in 2012 cause I deemed the product not worth the price of admission.

The question wasn't if he can fit into a structured team that is vying for the cup. The question is if he is a better player. Specifically if he is a better defensive player. Every player who comes to a new team has to learn their system. This idea of Gostisbehere free lancing is something you have invented.
- MJL

Angelo seemed to fit into their team structure and played on the first defense pair last year to the tune of being a +30. They moved on from him cause they didn't want to pay him. I think you are rushing to judgement that Ghost is better than Angelo. That's why I say we should wait and see how Ghost's tenure in Carolina goes. He's gonna get his chance on a bonafide Cup contender. Let's see what happens.

Only one team wins the cup, then you have the off-season and teams will have to get cap compliant going forward, 30 plus teams trying to figure out how to re-shape the roster. With the record number of trades coming up to the TDL, it should be a real busy draft and FA period. The Flyers will have a chance to re-shape. There is the same concern going into summer there was going TDL, CF, will he continue to swing and miss. The JVR fiasco is the example, you might have had some who could rationalize CF and his moves to date but this TDL showed CF to be below average as his craft, that is being nice.


Do I think the Flyers can re-tool and bring in the talent needed to compete for the cup? The Flyers have put themselves into a corner, they have no way/patience to draft and rebuild. The current roster is not one that needs a few pieces, it needs a first line and a #1 D man. It would appear bias for action at the draft and FA is the only way that this group would take. Short of winning the lottery, it is what it is. They need to get CF out of the decision making process, all his fault, part his fault, bad luck and his fault, makes no difference, CF is damaged goods and the law of attraction will just keep bringing more issues.

Angelo seemed to fit into their team structure and played on the first defense pair last year to the tune of being a +30. They moved on from him cause they didn't want to pay him. I think you are rushing to judgement that Ghost is better than Angelo. That's why I say we should wait and see how Ghost's tenure in Carolina goes. He's gonna get his chance on a bonafide Cup contender. Let's see what happens.
- Phillywhiteout

I'm not rushing to any judgement. I've seen them both play in a Flyers uniform. Neither is particularly good defensively down low and in the corners but Gostisbehere was solid in defending the blueline and breaking up plays with good reads on the rush. DeAngelo is just poor all around defensively. Very similar offensively. That gives the edge to Gostisbehere.

Has anyone heard any details regarding Torts statement that they streamlined the "unprofessional" front office structure? Is Barber out as senior advisor. Are people still asking Clarke and Holmgren for their opinions?

Perhaps you should look at stats. And trust me...I'm a much more hardened fan than you'll ever be. Coots and Atkinson have both proven to be 30 goal scorers when healthy and that is the assumption here. Farabee certainly has shown the talent to be a 25 goal scorer. I think he has had 20 before (not a stats guy so don't know). I thought he was leading the Flyers in goals scored before getting hurt last season. During the broadcast last night Brian Boucher said that Tippett looks like one of those players that is ready to breakout and have a 35-40 goal season. Tippett certainly has the game to be a 30 goal guy and if you can't see that I don't know what to tell you. Flyers management does not love fans like me. We were season ticket holders for 20 years (1985-2005), but I haven't been to a game since the Pens/Flyers playoff series in 2012 cause I deemed the product not worth the price of admission.
- Phillywhiteout

more hardened fan? can you elaborate as to what that means. would love to hear that.

Yes it was proven years ago. I will ask you again when was the last they they both scored 30 goals? Company speak from Boucher. Farbee has regressed.

Boucher also said if Laughton was available teams would be lining up. So I wonder if he was not made available by the keystone cops.

Only one team wins the cup, then you have the off-season and teams will have to get cap compliant going forward, 30 plus teams trying to figure out how to re-shape the roster. With the record number of trades coming up to the TDL, it should be a real busy draft and FA period. The Flyers will have a chance to re-shape. There is the same concern going into summer there was going TDL, CF, will he continue to swing and miss. The JVR fiasco is the example, you might have had some who could rationalize CF and his moves to date but this TDL showed CF to be below average as his craft, that is being nice.


Do I think the Flyers can re-tool and bring in the talent needed to compete for the cup? The Flyers have put themselves into a corner, they have no way/patience to draft and rebuild. The current roster is not one that needs a few pieces, it needs a first line and a #1 D man. It would appear bias for action at the draft and FA is the only way that this group would take. Short of winning the lottery, it is what it is. They need to get CF out of the decision making process, all his fault, part his fault, bad luck and his fault, makes no difference, CF is damaged goods and the law of attraction will just keep bringing more issues.
- wcorvette

it was shown way before that.