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Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Mar 8 @ 11:14 AM ET
I'm sorry - I've seen whackos - and to be fair it's largely on Twitter as opposed to actually accredited sites - making this false equivalency between Foligno and ROR and it's irritating to me.

On a similar note - and I say this in the context of this message not as a reply to the other because I don't want you to think I'm attacking you - which talking heads have said that McCabe is a 5/6 on a better D?

The reason I ask that is that by all accounts and measures, he's a top-4 D. He's basically Muzzin-lite - he's physically a bit smaller, but when you compare their year-over-year progression - Muzzin has put up more points on average, but McCabe has blocked more shots, hits about the same for their 28/29 year old seasons, and McCabe has more Takeaways and fewer Giveaways.

Largely it's this: McCabe is a, and has been in a, defensively responsible position for most of his career. Muzzin did play with Doughty and did have offensive opportunities afforded to him (I think he was a faster skater in his mid-twenties). But in terms of how they approach the defensive shut-down role, it's not that dissimilar and Muzzin and McCabe both provide that at a top-4 level.

Don't believe my BS, here's what JFresh posted: https://twitter.com/JFres...30274547181076481?lang=en

He's not elite and there are absolutely better top-4 options out there, but he qualifies as top-4 on almost any team in the NHL regardless of their contender status or not.

- Monkeypunk


Yeah every chart is a huge fan of McCabe. He went through a bad injury and was poor last season...but he was even better the season before that than this season.

He was also super underrated on Buffalo putting up elite D stats in lesser comp...which earned him the big contract.

He is a top 4 D for sure. He defends the rush better than anyone on the Leafs and we needed that.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Mar 8 @ 11:16 AM ET
I'm sorry - I've seen whackos - and to be fair it's largely on Twitter as opposed to actually accredited sites - making this false equivalency between Foligno and ROR and it's irritating to me.

On a similar note - and I say this in the context of this message not as a reply to the other because I don't want you to think I'm attacking you - which talking heads have said that McCabe is a 5/6 on a better D?

The reason I ask that is that by all accounts and measures, he's a top-4 D. He's basically Muzzin-lite - he's physically a bit smaller, but when you compare their year-over-year progression - Muzzin has put up more points on average, but McCabe has blocked more shots, hits about the same for their 28/29 year old seasons, and McCabe has more Takeaways and fewer Giveaways.

Largely it's this: McCabe is a, and has been in a, defensively responsible position for most of his career. Muzzin did play with Doughty and did have offensive opportunities afforded to him (I think he was a faster skater in his mid-twenties). But in terms of how they approach the defensive shut-down role, it's not that dissimilar and Muzzin and McCabe both provide that at a top-4 level.

Don't believe my BS, here's what JFresh posted: https://twitter.com/JFres...30274547181076481?lang=en

He's not elite and there are absolutely better top-4 options out there, but he qualifies as top-4 on almost any team in the NHL regardless of their contender status or not.

- Monkeypunk

I think i accidentally flagged this.
My error.
It was discussed on sportsnet/tsn radio (lunch and afternoon shows) after the trade.
Again, it was "in a perfect world" scenario (which i know is rare) and i have no doubt he could (and has) comfortably played in top 4.
Just not completely sold on him in the top if we go deep, thats all.
Looks good so far, but we'll see in the playoffs.
I hope he turns out to be great and exactly what we were missing.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Mar 8 @ 11:16 AM ET
I stupidly let my dirty laundry pile up in the laundry room.

Finally ran out of clean underwear in the dresser, so went down to the basement to grab a pair of running shorts with a built in liner to wear, and to (finally) throw a load of laundry in the washer.

Apparently Mrs. Wedgie became so frustrated by my mountain of dirty laundry, she washed it for me.

I've learned something from this experience, but it's not what my wife hoped I would learn.

- Atomic Wedgie


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_kXIGvB1uU
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Mar 8 @ 11:17 AM ET
I don't think enough has been made of the fact AM leads all forwards in blocked shots. That is amazing.
- Zezel

I don't like that a 60 goal 100+ point guy who is injury prone doesn't have the puck enough to be blocking the most shots in the league as a forward.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Mar 8 @ 11:19 AM ET
I don't like that a 60 goal 100+ point guy who is injury prone doesn't have the puck enough to be blocking the most shots in the league as a forward.
- AdamFrench

Pretty sure most of those are stick blocks.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Mar 8 @ 11:19 AM ET
"He’s an important guy for us, but, as I’ve talked to him about … our team is deeper on defence now. The standard is higher in terms of staying in. He was in a similar situation last season."

Welp. Time to see if Keefe is a man of his word or not. Spoiler alert- I highly doubt it, but fully welcome being proven wrong.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Mar 8 @ 11:19 AM ET

- AdamFrench


Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON
Joined: 12.22.2014

Mar 8 @ 11:21 AM ET
What was the old Gretzky quote about Oilers away games?

The gist of it was the home crowd wanted to see Gretzky score a hat trick, and the home team win 4-3.

- Atomic Wedgie


Oh I want to see hattricks....but it's 3 of them as follows:

AM34
MM16
WN 88

And I also want no goals for anyone from Edmonton - a man can dream.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Mar 8 @ 11:21 AM ET
Also Mother's Day in some countries, such as Romania.
- Zezel

There, womens day is called mothers day but they also celebrate the regular mothers day on the first sunday of May.
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Space for Rent
Joined: 08.30.2006

Mar 8 @ 11:23 AM ET
I stupidly let my dirty laundry pile up in the laundry room.

Finally ran out of clean underwear in the dresser, so went down to the basement to grab a pair of running shorts with a built in liner to wear, and to (finally) throw a load of laundry in the washer.

Apparently Mrs. Wedgie became so frustrated by my mountain of dirty laundry, she washed it for me.

I've learned something from this experience, but it's not what my wife hoped I would learn.

- Atomic Wedgie


can't wait for the itching powder to take effect
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Mar 8 @ 11:23 AM ET
I think i accidentally flagged this.
My error.
It was discussed on sportsnet/tsn radio (lunch and afternoon shows) after the trade.
Again, it was "in a perfect world" scenario (which i know is rare) and i have no doubt he could (and has) comfortably played in top 4.
Just not completely sold on him in the top if we go deep, thats all.
Looks good so far, but we'll see in the playoffs.
I hope he turns out to be great and exactly what we were missing.

- Fakepartofme


Obviously I think every Leaf fan does - so I've said before on our board that everyone here wants the Leafs to win - we just have different measures by what we think it will take. Muzzin, alone, didn't do it. Foligno, alone, didn't do it.

Maybe the addition of a Muzzin-like (although not quite as good) and a Foligno-like (although WAY better) along with contributory bottom-6 and bottom pairing depth will give us what we need.

If Boston weren't so loomingly scary this year, all of the Leafs' moves would seem more brilliant as opposed to potentially posturing - but no one is going to hand them the cup now - so . . . we go for it.
Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON
Joined: 12.22.2014

Mar 8 @ 11:27 AM ET
I stupidly let my dirty laundry pile up in the laundry room.

Finally ran out of clean underwear in the dresser, so went down to the basement to grab a pair of running shorts with a built in liner to wear, and to (finally) throw a load of laundry in the washer.

Apparently Mrs. Wedgie became so frustrated by my mountain of dirty laundry, she washed it for me.

I've learned something from this experience, but it's not what my wife hoped I would learn.

- Atomic Wedgie


I won't lie when I started reading this and got to the bolded part I was sure the next thing I was going to read was "I then realized I could easily double the amount of time it takes to get to this point by simply turning my gitch inside out and so I now have a weeks worth of 'clean' underwear again - true Wedgie story".

I was very happy to not read that.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Mar 8 @ 11:28 AM ET
Obviously I think every Leaf fan does - so I've said before on our board that everyone here wants the Leafs to win - we just have different measures by what we think it will take. Muzzin, alone, didn't do it. Foligno, alone, didn't do it.

Maybe the addition of a Muzzin-like (although not quite as good) and a Foligno-like (although WAY better) along with contributory bottom-6 and bottom pairing depth will give us what we need.

If Boston weren't so loomingly scary this year, all of the Leafs' moves would seem more brilliant as opposed to potentially posturing - but no one is going to hand them the cup now - so . . . we go for it.

- Monkeypunk


The playoffs are silly. Remember a few years ago when both last placed wild cards won?

I personally think TBs run is over. I look at their lineup and on paper they just arent scary anymore.

Yes they are TB and a good team...but I'd rather face them then Buffalo at this point. I'll take Ottawa or Florida though.

The big thing is staying healthy. Need the core 4 plus ROR and McCabe/Brodie pairing to be good to go game 1.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Mar 8 @ 11:29 AM ET
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_kXIGvB1uU
- Monkeypunk

I've just sent this to every married guy I've ever met.

Thank you.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Mar 8 @ 11:30 AM ET
I won't lie when I started reading this and got to the bolded part I was sure the next thing I was going to read was "I then realized I could easily double the amount of time it takes to get to this point by simply turning my gitch inside out and so I now have a weeks worth of 'clean' underwear again - true Wedgie story".

I was very happy to not read that.

- Cush29

You can get four days.

Regular, backwards, inside-out, inside-out backwards.

No need to thank me.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Mar 8 @ 11:31 AM ET
Pretty sure most of those are stick blocks.
- Santo_44

I would prefer if it was just them hiring the guy who counted the hits for the Islanders in the past who gave each guy like 18 hits a game.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Mar 8 @ 11:32 AM ET
You can get four days.

Regular, backwards, inside-out, inside-out backwards.

No need to thank me.

- Atomic Wedgie



Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Mar 8 @ 11:32 AM ET
The playoffs are silly. Remember a few years ago when both last placed wild cards won?

I personally think TBs run is over. I look at their lineup and on paper they just arent scary anymore.

Yes they are TB and a good team...but I'd rather face them then Buffalo at this point. I'll take Ottawa or Florida though.

The big thing is staying healthy. Need the core 4 plus ROR and McCabe/Brodie pairing to be good to go game 1.

- Santo_44

I'm still cheering for Buffalo to make the playoffs, but they made it a lot harder on themselves last night by losing to the Islanders in regulation.

It's not looking great.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Mar 8 @ 11:33 AM ET
I would prefer if it was just them hiring the guy who counted the hits for the Islanders in the past who gave each guy like 18 hits a game.
- AdamFrench


Luke Schenn would have been in the HoF on that team
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Mar 8 @ 11:33 AM ET
You can get four days.

Regular, backwards, inside-out, inside-out backwards.

No need to thank me.

- Atomic Wedgie

Best hope you own a bidet.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Mar 8 @ 11:34 AM ET
Luke Schenn would have been in the HoF on that team
- Santo_44

THE HUMAN ERASER!
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Mar 8 @ 11:34 AM ET
I'm still cheering for Buffalo to make the playoffs, but they made it a lot harder on themselves last night by losing to the Islanders in regulation.

It's not looking great.

- Atomic Wedgie


They are hit or miss.

One of those teams that can go on a scary run though.

Or get the poop kicked out of them and be swept.

I think the Pens get their ass kicked. NYI maybe stand a chance?

Florida is garbage.
Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON
Joined: 12.22.2014

Mar 8 @ 11:35 AM ET
You can get four days.

Regular, backwards, inside-out, inside-out backwards.

No need to thank me.

- Atomic Wedgie


There is some kid about to go off to college or uni next fall who just read this and believes you.



Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Mar 8 @ 11:35 AM ET

- Scabeh


Ha! The jokes on you. That is ALSO Clint's amazed expression. When you're that old, the amazing is also irritating.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Mar 8 @ 11:39 AM ET
I would prefer if it was just them hiring the guy who counted the hits for the Islanders in the past who gave each guy like 18 hits a game.
- AdamFrench

Last night's game Buffalo @ Islanders game: 32-9 hits.

Equally as stupid: it was a 3-2 game, and all three stars were from the Islanders.

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