Boys! Are you kidding me with some of this? Message before the game had to be these guys are struggling, don't let them get any momentum. Stay out of the box. Farabee and Sanheim take penalities in first. Coach sits them in second. I'm fine with it. Nothing about play. It was about not listening to the coaches.

I have no problem with Tony Angelo cheap shotting Perry. He was stirring stuff up most of the night. That's his role/job. I do have an issue with him going for the nuts. Probably 2-3 games easy.

I thought the hit on Farabee was a little high but not cheap. Still should have been interference. He was a little pissed but needs to stay out of the box.

Also, Claude Jr. gets his first as a Flyer. All the griping about Angelo being cheap. Lemeiux is a different breed. If you hated Rinaldo's antics, just wait. I don't want Claude, Jr. to get signed here.

Testy in here today. Be careful or Alf is going to come in and spear you all in the nuts TDA style!!
- hockeylover

We are all Tanner's! Practically his family 😁

I see, so if you produce teams and fans should tolerate one of the most un-sportsman-like acts any professional player can do? Spear someone in the nabs, spit, bite, lick .. its all good as long as the player produces? Sorry, I just don't agree. I don't want to support a team or a league that tolerates this type of behavior, period.
- jd250

In short, yes. And for the record I'd take Marchand on this team over anyone any day of the week.

https://twitter.com/ADiMarco25/status/1633464032081637378?s=19

Wishful tbinking? Or real change?
- Trox88

We can only hope and pray that they clean house

Tortorella doesn't have a center ice checking strategy. The Flyers give up the neutral zone and thier blueline like it's the southern border.
Cates is 7th among Flyers forwards in scoring rate while playing 1st line ice time and playing a lot with the Flyers best offensive forwards.
It is not good player development playing Cates out of position and putting the need of the team ahead of what is best for the player.
Hayes should've been at center the entire time and Cates playing on the wing. Preferably with Frost and Tippet.
- MJL

Then you haven't been paying attention. The reason why Torts likes players like Konecny, Laughton and Atkinson, is there ability to get in lanes and disrupt.
In order to be successful in this league, need to show up every night. Simply hasn't been the case with Hayes. If he did, don't you think he would have been offered a deal with the Rangers or Jets ? He was playing 3rd line on the Jets, and they still didn't keep him. Torts didn't pick Cates because of his scoring rate. He needed center ice coverage, and Cates provides it. Your point about taking team needs ahead of the player is counter intuitive for the ingredients of building a team. I coached elite travel baseball for 10 years, and saw the same thing every year. Everybody wanted to play short stop. Should I have done what was best for the players and have everyone play it ? It is impossible to coach selfishness. The point of being on a team is everyone doing the things that make it work. Some players have to play in certain positions for the team to be successful. Can't have players concerned about their image because they aren't playing in a certain spot (Hayes...) No team stepped in to make a deadline deal for him either, even when the Flyers would have retained half his salary. As for Cates' development, he could be on a better team relegated to the AHL because of depth. I'm sure he would prefer getting a chance of becoming an NHL player, showcasing his abilities vs. being stuck in depth logjam in another organization. You have to appreciate your situation in life.

Then you haven't been paying attention. The reason why Torts likes players like Konecny, Laughton and Atkinson, is there ability to get in lanes and disrupt.
In order to be successful in this league, need to show up every night. Simply hasn't been the case with Hayes. If he did, don't you think he would have been offered a deal with the Rangers or Jets ? He was playing 3rd line on the Jets, and they still didn't keep him. Torts didn't pick Cates because of his scoring rate. He needed center ice coverage, and Cates provides it. Your point about taking team needs ahead of the player is counter intuitive for the ingredients of building a team. I coached elite travel baseball for 10 years, and saw the same thing every year. Everybody wanted to play short stop. Should I have done what was best for the players and have everyone play it ? It is impossible to coach selfishness. The point of being on a team is everyone doing the things that make it work. Some players have to play in certain positions for the team to be successful. Can't have players concerned about their image because they aren't playing in a certain spot (Hayes...) No team stepped in to make a deadline deal for him either, even when the Flyers would have retained half his salary. As for Cates' development, he could be on a better team relegated to the AHL because of depth. I'm sure he would prefer getting a chance of becoming an NHL player, showcasing his abilities vs. being stuck in depth logjam in another organization. You have to appreciate your situation in life.
- BluehorseShoe64

Travis Konecny is one of the worst defensive players on the team. Referencing him in that manner is disqualifying. Rendering your comment that I'm not paying attention, irrelevant.
Playing Cates at center is putting the team needs ahead of the players development. Since I pay attention and more importantly, I know what I'm looking at. Cates doesn't have the puck and distribution skills to play center. He's also not a shooting center who fills holes and snipes pucks home. His best offensive attributes are his ability as F1 on the forecheck and crashing and banging around the net. Which is why he should be a winner and not a center. This is not baseball.

Every day I google "Flyers news" at least once and hope to see a headline that the Flyers have fired Chuck Fletcher. So far, its been disappointing. However today I did see this article which I think accurately represents the events that should lead to Fletcher's downfall, so I thought I might share it here:

https://www.yardbarker.co...ot_seat/s1_16481_38554573

Travis Konecny is one of the worst defensive players on the team. Referencing him in that manner is disqualifying. Rendering your comment that I'm not paying attention, irrelevant.
Playing Cates at center is putting the team needs ahead of the players development. Since I pay attention and more importantly, I know what I'm looking at. Cates doesn't have the puck and distribution skills to play center. He's also not a shooting center who fills holes and snipes pucks home. His best offensive attributes are his ability as F1 on the forecheck and crashing and banging around the net. Which is why he should be a winner and not a center. This is not baseball.
- MJL

Yet you feel Morgan Frost does have the puck and distribution skills to play center. Comparing the two of them in the most rudimentary but none-the-less most important way:

Morgan Frost
63 games, 12 goals, 18 assists, 30 points, -15 and 140 total NHL games played

Noah Cates:
64 games, 10 goals, 17 assists, 27 points, +6, and 64 total NHL games played

Oh, and BTW in Morgan's prior 55 games he had 5 goals, 11 assists, 16 points and was a -11. Frost does have a 44% face off win percentage this year, beating Cates' 39%, so I guess that means something.

Can you explain this apparent discrepancy? I mean if Frost has the skills to play center, why again doesn't Cates? Seems to me comparing the two players, Cates is way ahead of Frost at center and he never even played center before this season.

In short, yes. And for the record I'd take Marchand on this team over anyone any day of the week.
- Pelle31Forever

Sorry, I have been watching a lot of "Boston Legal" episodes lately and I seem be in a litigating mood :-)

There will be elite players coming out of the draft after #6 this year, but I have no faith that the Flyers will be one of the teams that identifies the good ones.

They probably already (frank)ed up taking Cutter over Jiricek.
- Tomahawk

They definitely franked that one up. Big time

They definitely franked that one up. Big time
- Bob Habib

Ahh.. and you know this how exactly? How many NHL games has either player played?

Ahh.. and you know this how exactly? How many NHL games has either player played?
- jd250

Jiricek has played in 2.

Yet you feel Morgan Frost does have the puck and distribution skills to play center. Comparing the two of them in the most rudimentary but none-the-less most important way:

Morgan Frost
63 games, 12 goals, 18 assists, 30 points, -15 and 140 total NHL games played

Noah Cates:
64 games, 10 goals, 17 assists, 27 points, +6, and 64 total NHL games played

Oh, and BTW in Morgan's prior 55 games he had 5 goals, 11 assists, 16 points and was a -11. Frost does have a 44% face off win percentage this year, beating Cates' 39%, so I guess that means something.

Can you explain this apparent discrepancy? I mean if Frost has the skills to play center, why again doesn't Cates? Seems to me comparing the two players, Cates is way ahead of Frost at center and he never even played center before this season.
- jd250

Cates has played 130 more mins than Frost this season and scored 3 fewer points... that's the discrepancy. Not to mention he's been stapled to TK for most of the season.

I think both Cates and Frost are gonna be good players but Torts needs to take advantage of Frost more and maybe not pile so much on Cates.

Jiricek has played in 2.
- MBFlyerfan

His offense seems to have blossomed in the AHL... kid could turn into a (frank)ing monster.

Your obsession with me has been noted
- Tomahawk

We can all sense the bromance in the air. Young love is a beautiful thing ❤️

These are the seven NHL teams with the worst points percentage over the last two seasons. The clear-cut worst teams in the NHL. It would stand to reason that all are rebuilding/retooling and looking for high-end talent. The most effectively build teams and all cup contenders in the cap era are built predominantly through the draft. These are the high-draft-pick totals for those teams.

‘22 1st/2nd rounders picked + ‘23 1st/2nd rounders so far + ‘24 1st/2nd rounders so far = total
Arizona — 5 + 3 + 5 = 13
Montreal — 4 + 3 + 2 = 9
Chicago — 5 + 6 + 4 = 15
Philadelphia — 1 + 1 + 2 = 4
Anaheim — 4 + 4 + 3 = 11
San Jose — 3 + 3 + 3 = 9
Columbus — 3 + 3 + 2 = 8

To all the “Flyers fans aren’t patient,” “Flyers fans need to calm down, stay classy, give Chuck a break…” No. No. NO! Please note that all those other bad teams have two or three times (or more) the darts to aim at getting high-end talent. Twice as many or more picks, that’s right! You want to tell me, oh just wait until the draft. Wait for what exactly? Bad moves?…to lose the few good pieces they have left?

Never has a rebuild been built entirely on luck and zero missteps. Don’t expect what few fans are left to take even a tiny fraction of a perceived error as anything other than adding to the pile of negatives that is Flyers right now. If anyone gets the participation trophy, it isn’t Fletcher—oh, but he tried to sell the UFAs—it’s the fans for sitting through this last decade plus to become the worst “most-improved” team in franchise history.


PS. I know, the choir, but I had to say it.

Yet you feel Morgan Frost does have the puck and distribution skills to play center. Comparing the two of them in the most rudimentary but none-the-less most important way:

Morgan Frost
63 games, 12 goals, 18 assists, 30 points, -15 and 140 total NHL games played

Noah Cates:
64 games, 10 goals, 17 assists, 27 points, +6, and 64 total NHL games played

Oh, and BTW in Morgan's prior 55 games he had 5 goals, 11 assists, 16 points and was a -11. Frost does have a 44% face off win percentage this year, beating Cates' 39%, so I guess that means something.

Can you explain this apparent discrepancy? I mean if Frost has the skills to play center, why again doesn't Cates? Seems to me comparing the two players, Cates is way ahead of Frost at center and he never even played center before this season.
- jd250

The most rudimentary things need to be explained.

Points per 60

Morgan Frost 1.63 P/60
Noah Cates 1.34 P/60

https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL

Two games for TA.

Two games for TA.
- mickel25

I'm telling you they should have just made him play 35 minutes against CAR tomorrow.

Foerster recalled

Foerster recalled
- wcorvette

No more 7D?

Ahh.. and you know this how exactly? How many NHL games has either player played?
- jd250

Jiricek plays a position of need . A solid RHD who will easily be a top pair dman over a winger (forced to turn center) who is being plugged into another position of need.

Funny thing is.. I don't KNOW anything yet but my opinion doesn't change one iota.
They should have taken jricek. Hands down. No knock to cutter at all but we need a top pair RHD and jricek is going to be a beast. That I do know.
We can discuss this again a few years from now and find out then, huh?

Jiricek has played in 2.
- MBFlyerfan

Oh snap

Jiricek plays a position of need . A solid RHD who will easily be a top pair dman over a winger (forced to turn center) who is being plugged into another position of need.

Funny thing is.. I don't KNOW anything yet but my opinion doesn't change one iota.
They should have taken jricek. Hands down. No knock to cutter at all but we need a top pair RHD and jricek is going to be a beast. That I do know.
We can discuss this again a few years from now and find out then, huh?
- Bob Habib

I'm not a prospect guy by any means and I'm not down on Gauthier but I also wished they had taken a stud RH defenseman over a forward. They felt that Gauthier was the better player. We'll see.

I'm telling you Tortorella should just forfeit his last 16 games left of his flyer career when the suspension is served.
- BINGO!

FIXED!!!