No more 7D?
- THE EVIL WITHIN

they said they had to change, it was due to pain in the balls

they said they had to change, it was due to pain in the balls
- wcorvette

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Breakaways
Gauthier takes a career-high five-game points streak into the tournament. He has at least one point in nine of his last 10 games. … The winner of tonight’s BC-Massachusetts game advances into the Hockey East quarterfinals Saturday against either Boston University, Merrimack, or Northeastern. … In its history, Boston College is 9-1 vs. Massachusetts in Hockey East Tournament matchups. … Gauthier finished the regular season ranked third in the league with 0.53 goals per game.



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I'm not a prospect guy by any means and I'm not down on Gauthier but I also wished they had taken a stud RH defenseman over a forward. They felt that Gauthier was the better player. We'll see.
- MJL

A solid RHD stud like that though... how do you pass him up? I know he had a knee injury and all but geez.... this is the type of franchise cornerstone that you draft at the #5 spot.
I think cutter will be a good hockey player but I think that they dropped the ball on this pick.
All we can do is wait and see and I will be VERY happy to eat crow if I am wrong

Breakaways
Gauthier takes a career-high five-game points streak into the tournament. He has at least one point in nine of his last 10 games. … The winner of tonight’s BC-Massachusetts game advances into the Hockey East quarterfinals Saturday against either Boston University, Merrimack, or Northeastern. … In its history, Boston College is 9-1 vs. Massachusetts in Hockey East Tournament matchups. … Gauthier finished the regular season ranked third in the league with 0.53 goals per game.



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- wcorvette

Solid numbers for a college kid

I'm not a prospect guy by any means and I'm not down on Gauthier but I also wished they had taken a stud RH defenseman over a forward. They felt that Gauthier was the better player. We'll see.
- MJL

These are the same people that gave hayes 7.1M

Gave away ghost and assets

signed td - gave away more assets

traded for and signed rr to an extension - gave away more assets

I do not put any faith into anyone in this organization making a sound decision

Cates has played 130 more mins than Frost this season and scored 3 fewer points... that's the discrepancy. Not to mention he's been stapled to TK for most of the season.

I think both Cates and Frost are gonna be good players but Torts needs to take advantage of Frost more and maybe not pile so much on Cates.
- Tomahawk

Don’t think frost could’ve handled the defensive responsibilities.

Don’t think frost could’ve handled the defensive responsibilities.
- Peter Richards

Yeah, people need to stop with the Frost whining. He is getting his chance to prove himself. He will never be a defensive stalwart. I saw one guy on here the other day saying that Frost should have 50 points if his line mates finished their chances. You could say that about every friggin player in the NHL.

Yeah, people need to stop with the Frost whining. He is getting his chance to prove himself. He will never be a defensive stalwart. I saw one guy on here the other day saying that Frost should have 50 points if his line mates finished their chances. You could say that about every friggin player in the NHL.
- Phillywhiteout

That was me, and it's absolutely true. The amount of A+ chances that JVR, Tippet and Farabee have shanked this year off beautiful plays from Frost is unreal. Frost himself probably has 5-10 A+ chances that he personally shanked. Like that beautiful rush chance where he split the D before TDA went spearing.

Yeah, people need to stop with the Frost whining. He is getting his chance to prove himself. He will never be a defensive stalwart. I saw one guy on here the other day saying that Frost should have 50 points if his line mates finished their chances. You could say that about every friggin player in the NHL.
- Phillywhiteout

I think what needs to stop is repeated mischaracterizations of people's opinions.

That was me, and it's absolutely true. The amount of A+ chances that JVR, Tippet and Farabee have shanked this year off beautiful plays from Frost is unreal. Frost himself probably has 5-10 A+ chances that he personally shanked. Like that beautiful rush chance where he split the D before TDA went spearing.
- Tomahawk

Yeah, posting opinions on here can certainly put a target on ones back.

That was me, and it's absolutely true. The amount of A+ chances that JVR, Tippet and Farabee have shanked this year off beautiful plays from Frost is unreal. Frost himself probably has 5-10 A+ chances that he personally shanked. Like that beautiful rush chance where he split the D before TDA went spearing.
- Tomahawk

Ha ha, didn't know it was you. Frost did make a beautiful rush and split the defensemen, and then the puck ended up back on his stick in the slot on the same play and he inexplicably passed it off. He needs more of a shoot first mentality! I have nothing personal against the guy, but I sure wish he was more aggressive.

Ha ha, didn't know it was you. Frost did make a beautiful rush and split the defensemen, and then the puck ended up back on his stick in the slot on the same play and he inexplicably passed it off. He needs more of a shoot first mentality! I have nothing personal against the guy, but I sure wish he was more aggressive.
- Phillywhiteout

There is no issue with Frost's aggressiveness. He is a playmaker foremost rather than a goal scorer.

There is no issue with Frost's aggressiveness. He is a playmaker foremost rather than a goal scorer.
- MJL

Must you refute everything that everyone says on here? I swear if I said the sun comes up in the east you'd find a way to refute it. He needs to be more aggressive physically and he needs more of a shoot first mentality when the chances present themselves. Just ask your buddy Torts.
And no, I didn't get this from Torts. This is my own observation. I just brought up Torts cause I know how much respect that you have for him.

Must you refute everything that everyone says on here? I swear if I said the sun comes up in the east you'd find a way to refute it. He needs to be more aggressive physically and he needs more of a shoot first mentality when the chances present themselves. Just ask your buddy Torts.
And no, I didn't get this from Torts. This is my own observation. I just brought up Torts cause I know how much respect that you have for him.
- Phillywhiteout

What makes you think that that your reply here is an effective rebuttal and argument? You claim that the Frost supporters are always whining. I made a strictly hockey based reply to a comment you made and what did you do? Sounds like whining to me. You call people out mischaracterizing their positions and then object when someone offers a counter opinion. Now with that said in an effort to actually have a conversation. Do you think that Noah Cates, Torts favorite player, has a similar aggressiveness issue that you claim that Frost has?

What makes you think that that your reply here is an effective rebuttal and argument? You claim that the Frost supporters are always whining. I made a strictly hockey based reply to a comment you made and what did you do? Sounds like whining to me. You call people out mischaracterizing their positions and then object when someone offers a counter opinion. Now with that said in an effort to actually have a conversation. Do you think that Noah Cates, Torts favorite player, has a similar aggressiveness issue that you claim that Frost has?
- MJL

No he doesn't. That's why he is on Torts' favored list while Frost remains on the bubble. This entire year is about who stays and who goes. Torts was brought in to eradicate the room from the country club atmosphere that has haunted this team for 10 years. I have no problem with Torts wanting his players to care and be competitive every night. Cates brings it every night and Frost doesn't. Frost is the more talented player, but that doesn't make him the BETTER player.

I just looked at their stats and they are pretty even, so I guess my eyes were foolin me somewhat. I don't look at stats that often. Same number of games and Cates only has 4 more hits than Frost. That surprises me. Frost has 3 more points, but Cates is a +6 and Frost is a -15. Frost should have better stats than that if he is what you say he is.

Boys! Are you kidding me with some of this? Message before the game had to be these guys are struggling, don't let them get any momentum. Stay out of the box. Farabee and Sanheim take penalities in first. Coach sits them in second. I'm fine with it. Nothing about play. It was about not listening to the coaches.

I have no problem with Tony Angelo cheap shotting Perry. He was stirring stuff up most of the night. That's his role/job. I do have an issue with him going for the nuts. Probably 2-3 games easy.

I thought the hit on Farabee was a little high but not cheap. Still should have been interference. He was a little pissed but needs to stay out of the box.

Also, Claude Jr. gets his first as a Flyer. All the griping about Angelo being cheap. Lemeiux is a different breed. If you hated Rinaldo's antics, just wait. I don't want Claude, Jr. to get signed here.
- cdearth23

Great post! I feel the same about TDA.

No he doesn't. That's why he is on Torts' favored list while Frost remains on the bubble. This entire year is about who stays and who goes. Torts was brought in to eradicate the room from the country club atmosphere that has haunted this team for 10 years. I have no problem with Torts wanting his players to care and be competitive every night. Cates brings it every night and Frost doesn't. Frost is the more talented player, but that doesn't make him the BETTER player.

I just looked at their stats and they are pretty even, so I guess my eyes were foolin me somewhat. I don't look at stats that often. Same number of games and Cates only has 4 more hits than Frost. That surprises me. Frost has 3 more points, but Cates is a +6 and Frost is a -15. Frost should have better stats than that if he is what you say he is.
- Phillywhiteout

If he is what I say he is? You don't have any clue about what I say he is. That's the first thing. So now that we have established that according to you, Frost has an aggressiveness issue and Cates doesn't. So rather than using your observation skills, which clearly don't paint an accurate picture. Let's look at the facts.

The first fact that needs to be declared is that this season, Cates has played 1129.45 minutes of hockey. Frost has played 1003.58. That's a difference of 126 minutes or so. Or the equivalent of over two full games of playing time.

You stated earlier that Frost doesn't shoot the puck enough and lacks aggressiveness. Yet despite the playing time advantage that Cates has, along with playing most of the season with the best offensive players on the team. Frost has 118 shots on net and Cates has 79. But you say that Cates doesn't have an aggressiveness issue like you say Frost does. Another side note. Do you know which player on the Flyers leads the team in rebound created? That would be Morgan Frost.

Just so you're aware. Scoring rate for the two players is Frost 1.79 P/60 and Cates 1.43 P/60. So not only does Frost have more shots on net, he produces points at a higher rate.

Let's look at hits. As you mentioned, despite the advantage of more ice time. Cates has 76 hits to Frost's 72. For a better comparison. Cates hits/60 is 4.03 while Frost's is 4.30. So Frost also makes hits at a higher rate.

Frost lately is playing 18-20 minutes a game, yet you say he is on the bubble.

You claimed that your statements were your observations and not Tortorella's. So I would like to know what evidence you have to back up your claims. It seems that based on the facts presented, your observations are not very reliable.

I have plenty more that I can share with you. The facts actually support my observations.

Am I whining here?

Wait, now Ristolainen is not that great of a defenseman? What happened to having his best NHL season? That Tortorella and Shaw fixed him? The Flyers best and steadiest defenseman?
- MJL

Risto is having his best season defensively probably in his entire career. Risto clearly has benefitted from the coaching of Torts and Shaw. In fact Risto on many nights this season has been the Flyers most steady defenseman. With all that said, Risto is still only a bubble top 4 defenseman that should not have been extended by the idiot Fletcher.

Cates has played 130 more mins than Frost this season and scored 3 fewer points... that's the discrepancy. Not to mention he's been stapled to TK for most of the season.

I think both Cates and Frost are gonna be good players but Torts needs to take advantage of Frost more and maybe not pile so much on Cates.
- Tomahawk

I certainly would like to see Frost out there in every 4 on 4 situation, and of course in the 3 on 3 OT. Frost and Tippet with all that open ice would be a formidable match-up.

The most rudimentary things need to be explained.

Points per 60

Morgan Frost 1.63 P/60
Noah Cates 1.34 P/60

https://www.naturalstattr...ines=single&draftteam=ALL
- MJL

Still, not really that different. Remember, Cates had NEVER played center before this season. The fact that he is even close to Frost is a testament of how good a player he is.

Jiricek plays a position of need . A solid RHD who will easily be a top pair dman over a winger (forced to turn center) who is being plugged into another position of need.

Funny thing is.. I don't KNOW anything yet but my opinion doesn't change one iota.
They should have taken jricek. Hands down. No knock to cutter at all but we need a top pair RHD and jricek is going to be a beast. That I do know.
We can discuss this again a few years from now and find out then, huh?
- Bob Habib

Absolutely, in a few years. I look forward to it.

Breakaways
Gauthier takes a career-high five-game points streak into the tournament. He has at least one point in nine of his last 10 games. … The winner of tonight’s BC-Massachusetts game advances into the Hockey East quarterfinals Saturday against either Boston University, Merrimack, or Northeastern. … In its history, Boston College is 9-1 vs. Massachusetts in Hockey East Tournament matchups. … Gauthier finished the regular season ranked third in the league with 0.53 goals per game.



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- wcorvette

BC won tonight 5-2, Gauthier had 3 assists!

If he is what I say he is? You don't have any clue about what I say he is. That's the first thing. So now that we have established that according to you, Frost has an aggressiveness issue and Cates doesn't. So rather than using your observation skills, which clearly don't paint an accurate picture. Let's look at the facts.

The first fact that needs to be declared is that this season, Cates has played 1129.45 minutes of hockey. Frost has played 1003.58. That's a difference of 126 minutes or so. Or the equivalent of over two full games of playing time.

You stated earlier that Frost doesn't shoot the puck enough and lacks aggressiveness. Yet despite the playing time advantage that Cates has, along with playing most of the season with the best offensive players on the team. Frost has 118 shots on net and Cates has 79. But you say that Cates doesn't have an aggressiveness issue like you say Frost does. Another side note. Do you know which player on the Flyers leads the team in rebound created? That would be Morgan Frost.

Just so you're aware. Scoring rate for the two players is Frost 1.79 P/60 and Cates 1.43 P/60. So not only does Frost have more shots on net, he produces points at a higher rate.

Let's look at hits. As you mentioned, despite the advantage of more ice time. Cates has 76 hits to Frost's 72. For a better comparison. Cates hits/60 is 4.03 while Frost's is 4.30. So Frost also makes hits at a higher rate.

Frost lately is playing 18-20 minutes a game, yet you say he is on the bubble.

You claimed that your statements were your observations and not Tortorella's. So I would like to know what evidence you have to back up your claims. It seems that based on the facts presented, your observations are not very reliable.

I have plenty more that I can share with you. The facts actually support my observations.

Am I whining here?
- MJL

You exhaust me with all your stats. I'm guessing you're a big baseball fan? I watch the games. I notice Cates more than I do Frost. Cates seems to be much more positionally sound and has a higher hockey IQ (especially on the defensive end of the ice). Frost is getting more ice time now because of TK being out injured and so on. Cates also wins many more puck battles than Frost and can handle himself in the trenches better. Cates goes to the dirty areas.....does Frost? Cates looks like a perfect 3rd line center or checking winger since you say there aren't checking lines anymore (I don't agree with that sentiment). I honestly still don't know where Frost fits in an NHL lineup? I guess 3rd line center would be my guess, but that wouldn't be a checking line. He is not a top 6 forward in the NHL as of this writing IMO.

Risto is having his best season defensively probably in his entire career. Risto clearly has benefitted from the coaching of Torts and Shaw. In fact Risto on many nights this season has been the Flyers most steady defenseman. With all that said, Risto is still a a bubble top 4 defenseman that should not have been extended by the idiot Fletcher.
- jd250

Ristolainen has not improved. He actually has regressed. He's actually a 3rd pair defenseman in this league. That's my opinion. Or should I say " in fact". Ristolainen has never been steady in his entire career, including now..The only thing they've done with Ristolainen,.is they locked him in a defensive box to prevent him from playing stupid. Its.equivalent to throwing an addict in jail and saying, hey we cured his addiction.