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TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Mar 10 @ 9:36 AM ET
What's Ray Shero doing these days?
- Dkos

Please no, do not speak this into existence
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Mar 10 @ 9:36 AM ET
It's funny how Waddell was complete (frank) up in Atlanta but the minute he started working with Tulsky the guy suddenly can't get a thing wrong.

Tulsky helped build out their hockey depts and robust player evaluation tools. Also helped on a lot of non-hockey fronts too. He's doing all the heavy lifting there.

- Tomahawk


It would be nice to see them go out and hire some one with no real affiliation with the club.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Mar 10 @ 9:36 AM ET
Same nightmare, different actors!
- Letterkenney

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, flyers fooled again!
Dkos
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Mar 10 @ 9:36 AM ET
Please no, do not speak this into existence
- TobyFlenderson


ha ha ha. It kinda fits
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Mar 10 @ 9:38 AM ET
I guess Flahr is ok, not really his fault Fletcher never gave him second round picks. I just want every bit of Fletcher's stench gone.
- TobyFlenderson


I don’t know what other roles he had or how much influence he had on Fletcher….if it’s more then just handling the drafts, then he may be toast as well.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 10 @ 9:38 AM ET
Bill .. Frost has 30 points and is a -15 in 63 games ... what are you defending here? The bottom line is this ... if Frost is in your top 6, your team is a very bad team!
- jd250


Tippett has 34 points in 60 games and is -15, and yet you never say anything bad about him.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Mar 10 @ 9:38 AM ET
What's Ray Shero doing these days?
- Dkos

I was afraid you would say Peter the great Chiarelli 😵‍💫😁
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Mar 10 @ 9:39 AM ET
It's funny how Waddell was complete (frank) up in Atlanta but the minute he started working with Tulsky the guy suddenly can't get a thing wrong.

Tulsky helped build out their hockey depts and robust player evaluation tools. Also helped on a lot of non-hockey fronts too. He's doing all the heavy lifting there.

- Tomahawk

Some guys are better in the role they have is all. When they can focus on their strengths. Also Waddell maybe learned from his mistakes the 1dt time around.

Not against it in any way. Would be 100% on board.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Mar 10 @ 9:40 AM ET
I don’t know what other roles he had or how much influence he had on Fletcher….if it’s more then just handling the drafts, then he may be toast as well.
- landros 2

Yeah, I'm with you there. That guy Hanrahan who was introduced as the 'capologist' at the STH town hall should be canned. If he's your capologist he should've been fired before Fletcher
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 10 @ 9:40 AM ET
It would be nice to see them go out and hire some one with no real affiliation with the club.
- landros 2


As far as Tulsky is concerned, could you see the org ever being brave enough to turn the team over to a young guy with a chemistry and nanotech background lol? In this town? With these fans? No way.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Mar 10 @ 9:40 AM ET
Briere come on down. You’re the next straw man to take the heat while the country club sucks a clueless corporation dry!
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Mar 10 @ 9:41 AM ET
Depends…maybe Danny would make a great GM….can’t just can him because they wanted Fletcher to mentor him…although this team may be in need of a guy with a bit more experience and pedigree.
- landros 2
You can can him. To me it all needs to drained. Briere seems like a Torts lackey.

Advisors, scouts, development team, minor league staff and the like. All gone. They need new voices, new faces, a new direction.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Mar 10 @ 9:41 AM ET
Giroux is on track to break 1,000 points this season. Shame the former GM used the cap space that could have brought him back to Philly on Ristolainen.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 10 @ 9:42 AM ET
Please no, do not speak this into existence
- TobyFlenderson


The only team more obsessed with "family" are those dudes from Fast and Furious.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Mar 10 @ 9:42 AM ET
ha ha ha. It kinda fits
- Dkos

It really does, fits the mold the front office advisors look for in their GMs. Mediocre career (outside of the one stanley cup), Flyers connection. I will be sick if he's hired. Fitzgerald cleaned up his mess nicely in NJ.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Mar 10 @ 9:42 AM ET
The only team more obsessed with "family" are those dudes from Fast and Furious.
- Tomahawk

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Mar 10 @ 9:42 AM ET
Same scouting staff in place.
- MJL


Can they fire them all now? Don’t they have to keep the amateur scouts on at least until the draft?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Mar 10 @ 9:42 AM ET
So who gets hired as President of Hockey Operations will speak volumes on where the organization goes. With Briere named as interim, there is still hope of real organizational change. This is the first step that had to happen with Comcast unwilling to sale. So far, so good.
- Trox88

You don’t actually believe this, do you?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 10 @ 9:43 AM ET
My issues aren't with the scouting staff, but those making the day-to-day personnel decisions.
- Sublime55


You referenced having to start over for the draft. They don't. They haven't likely even started having those meetings yet on the draft with the scouting staff and Flahr who runs the scouting staff.
Dkos
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Mar 10 @ 9:43 AM ET
You can can him. To me it all needs to drained. Briere seems like a Torts lackey.

Advisors, scouts, development team, minor league staff and the like. All gone. They need new voices, new faces, a new direction.

- furio16


doesnt really strike me as a guy who would have liked Torts as a player
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Mar 10 @ 9:44 AM ET
As far as Tulsky, no issue going in a differetn direciton at all.

What has he shown that he would make a competent GM? More to being a GM than analytics.

My preference would be Darche. Somehow get him involved in the organization. Funny thing is he is great friends with Briere. They talk all the time.

- furio16


He's not just an analytics guy. He's been the Assistant General Manager in Raleigh for a couple years now and, prior to that, was the "VP of Strategy."

Virtually nothing happens in the Canes organization that doesn't come to him first. Don Waddell and Tom Dundon come up with the ideas and how to implement them, then they bring said ideas to Tulsky, Yorke and Brind'amour to decide if they're actually good/feasible.

Tulsky has talked a lot about understanding the numbers aren't and can't be the primary driver behind every decision you make. There has to be context for everything. WHY the numbers look the way they do is more important than what the numbers say. He's had influence over how the team itself plays, not just who is on the ice.

Strategy for team building has been either smack the easy single in front of you or swing for the fences. Nothing in the middle. Nothing clever. Those are the places you make mistakes that are killers.
Rliable
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Blackwood, NJ
Joined: 02.19.2013

Mar 10 @ 9:44 AM ET
totally out?
- Dkos


Fired as President and GM. Totally out.

Now, to get rid of the advisors...
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Mar 10 @ 9:44 AM ET
As far as Tulsky is concerned, could you see the org ever being brave enough to turn the team over to a young guy with a chemistry and nanotech background lol? In this town? With these fans? No way.
- Tomahawk


Actually maybe that’s the way Comcast will want to be viewed with the next higher. A brazen new vision…god knows the old vision failed….maybe?
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Mar 10 @ 9:44 AM ET
https://twitter.com/AntSa...fDZAQ0wvojKPkALTHZvA&s=19

This is encouraging. Let's see how this plays out.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Mar 10 @ 9:45 AM ET
Firing upCuck and replacing him with Briere moves the needle about a centimeter.
- PLindbergh31

Baa dum tsss 🥁
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