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ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 14 @ 12:23 PM ET
Briere already said he doesn't envision a fire sale.

Keep that in mind as you let your imaginations wander lol

- Tomahawk

Thought he said it well, actions we will see but players will be available.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 14 @ 12:24 PM ET
I think I would take the 4th and more so the cap space.
- MBFlyerfan


I'd just keep Sanny around... what do they need the cap space for right now anyway?


ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Mar 14 @ 12:26 PM ET
I'd just keep Sanny around... what do they need the cap space for right now anyway?
- Tomahawk

Let him play through it, you can trade him layer if needed and if he bounces back he then might have some value
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 14 @ 12:28 PM ET
Said before I only see two or three players traded this summer. That was before Danny took over. His comments seem along the same lines.
- Peter Richards


I think the only guarantee is that Hayes gets bought out or gets moved in an ugly deal that sees the Flyers eat salary and/or take a bad contract in return. Torts is basically demanding that.

Provy and TK... maybe?

The Hart stuff I'm guessing is just media echo-chamber.

Contracts like Sanheim, Coots, Cam, Risto... even Farabee... good luck.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Mar 14 @ 12:30 PM ET
Let him play through it, you can trade him layer if needed and if he bounces back he then might have some value
- ClaudeFather



My only concern. This is what the ghost convi was for years. And he made less. Couldn’t find a partner. Arizona did but his contract is up this summer. Sanhiem continues to struggle he will be unmovable without payment included.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Mar 14 @ 12:32 PM ET
I think the only guarantee is that Hayes gets bought out or gets moved in an ugly deal that sees the Flyers eat salary and/or take a bad contract in return. Torts is basically demanding that.

Provy and TK... maybe?

The Hart stuff I'm guessing is just media echo-chamber.

Contracts like Sanheim, Coots, Cam, Risto... even Farabee... good luck.

- Tomahawk


I was looking at one of Tk provie or Travis at the draft. Hayes maybe with salary retained. Not sure if they would go the buyout route yet. But with the contract and how he has played this year. Yeah. Sanhiem May be a hard sell.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Mar 14 @ 12:32 PM ET
I'd just keep Sanny around... what do they need the cap space for right now anyway?
- Tomahawk



So they can play like Arizona and take on short term bad contracts for picks?

I dont know Im just spitballing.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 12:33 PM ET
Let him play through it, you can trade him layer if needed and if he bounces back he then might have some value
- ClaudeFather


Many are assuming for some reason that he doesn't have value.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Mar 14 @ 12:40 PM ET
This could play out really badly again for the Flyers. Similar to the JVR scenario.

Players that the Flyers are willing to move out won't have value (Hayes). Players that have value they refuse to move out.

Then what?
mr4tno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.29.2017

Mar 14 @ 12:40 PM ET
I think the only guarantee is that Hayes gets bought out or gets moved in an ugly deal that sees the Flyers eat salary and/or take a bad contract in return. Torts is basically demanding that.

Provy and TK... maybe?

The Hart stuff I'm guessing is just media echo-chamber.

Contracts like Sanheim, Coots, Cam, Risto... even Farabee... good luck.

- Tomahawk

Sanheim - entering prime so has age on his side, BUT he must improve
Cam - after they LTIR him next year he will only have one year left
Risto - good value for a 3rd pair but will need to eat half his cap hit which I have no problem with
Farabee - has age on his side, see SanHeim
Coots - that a real bad one. Unfortunately, he will be here for the duration and most likely never sniff a cup. He is a tweener - too old for the rebuild and too much term to trade. Best case scenario is he hones his skills as a mentor and gets into coaching
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Mar 14 @ 12:40 PM ET
Why is there discussion over keeping a 7th dman? There's like 50 of them as free agents every year. The leafs alone have like 4 this year you can sign in free agency for whatever. Here, I'll trade you 2 today for an 8th round pick in the 2040 draft.

The guys we should discuss are Hart, Provorov, Hayes, Samheim, TK, (ellis if he ever has a chance of coming back?)

Sanheim is the hard one with that NTC BUT the good news is his NTC doesn't kick in until July 1st so he can be moved at the draft without his input to where. Problem is, will he be good enough to get something? I suppose almost anything without retaining salary would be the way to go.

Anyway, I think Hart and Provorov get the most interest.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 12:41 PM ET
This could play out really badly again for the Flyers. Similar to the JVR scenario.

Players that the Flyers are willing to move out won't have value (Hayes). Players that have value they refuse to move out.

Then what?

- StepfordSam


They shouldn't be refusing to move out players that they're offered good deals for.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 12:43 PM ET
Why is there discussion over keeping a 7th dman? There's like 50 of them as free agents every year. The leafs alone have like 4 this year you can sign in free agency for whatever. Here, I'll trade you 2 today for an 8th round pick in the 2040 draft.

The guys we should discuss are Hart, Provorov, Hayes, Samheim, TK, (ellis if he ever has a chance of coming back?)

Sanheim is the hard one with that NTC BUT the good news is his NTC doesn't kick in until July 1st so he can be moved at the draft without his input to where. Problem is, will he be good enough to get something? I suppose almost anything without retaining salary would be the way to go.

Anyway, I think Hart and Provorov get the most interest.

- Aaron_85


I would absolutely not give Sanheim away just to get out of the contract. Konecny would also be a player that would draw wide interest.
mr4tno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.29.2017

Mar 14 @ 12:43 PM ET
Full NTC kicks in on July 1
- Tomahawk

Classic Flyers contract. In fac they should rename it from NTC/NMC to TFC (The Flyers Clause)
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Mar 14 @ 12:45 PM ET
Years 1-4 full NTC, years 5-8 he has a M-NTC with a 12 team no trade.

Ugh.


Edited to add: That doesn't mean he cant be traded. It just means he has full control on where he goes.

So again...

Ugh

- MBFlyerfan

So does ND due to CF's incompetence.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Season Ticket Holder
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Mar 14 @ 12:46 PM ET
I see a lot of talk about trading sanheim next off season but doesn’t he have a NTC or NMC that kicks in this upcoming season?
- Bob Habib]




Seriously? CF gave him a a full ntc??? You gotta be kidding?

- Robert's Plant


Chucky's dealings and miss-wheelings will be felt for many years to come.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 12:46 PM ET
Classic Flyers contract. In fac they should rename it from NTC/NMC to TFC (The Flyers Clause)
- mr4tno


I think if we look around the league, it's pretty common. That doesn't change that although I like the player, I don't like the contract. The AAV is fine but what did the Flyers get in the negotiation? I think Sanheim is a good player but not a player that you bend over and give everything to. He got a strong AAV, max term and movement clauses. Where is the negotiation?
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 14 @ 12:48 PM ET
So does ND due to CF's incompetence.
- missingmike


Everybody keeps calling Chuck a nice guy and a gentleman for a reason. Those are just another way of saying he's a doormat.

Maybe the worst contract negotiator in the league... (frank)ed up that he was ever a player agent.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 14 @ 12:52 PM ET
Why is there discussion over keeping a 7th dman? There's like 50 of them as free agents every year. The leafs alone have like 4 this year you can sign in free agency for whatever. Here, I'll trade you 2 today for an 8th round pick in the 2040 draft.

The guys we should discuss are Hart, Provorov, Hayes, Samheim, TK, (ellis if he ever has a chance of coming back?)

Sanheim is the hard one with that NTC BUT the good news is his NTC doesn't kick in until July 1st so he can be moved at the draft without his input to where. Problem is, will he be good enough to get something? I suppose almost anything without retaining salary would be the way to go.

Anyway, I think Hart and Provorov get the most interest.

- Aaron_85

TK also. I can't see any team wanting Sanheim for 8 years at that AAV with a NTC. I think the Flyers are completely stuck with him unless they cover some AAV and give up another asset for a team to take him.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 14 @ 12:52 PM ET
Lots of questions I would love to ask Danny Briere but he would never answer.

What did you think of the Ristolainen trade and the subsequent re-signing?

What did you think about the Deslauriers signing?

What did you think about the Angelo trade and signing?

What did you think of the Sanheim contract?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 14 @ 12:56 PM ET
I personally think that Hart wears down mentally over a season. You can label that a fault if you'd like but I'd like to see what he can do with a better team.
- MJL

I agree, losing year after year sucks and it wears on all the players, especially the goalie who is getting 30+ shots a game. After seeing Ullmark this year in Boston, I am convinced that if Hart played on a team like Boston he would be a Vezina candidate.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Mar 14 @ 12:58 PM ET
I think if we look around the league, it's pretty common. That doesn't change that although I like the player, I don't like the contract. The AAV is fine but what did the Flyers get in the negotiation? I think Sanheim is a good player but not a player that you bend over and give everything to. He got a strong AAV, max term and movement clauses. Where is the negotiation?
- MJL


recent comparable contract around are weegar and ekholm. both are better. his aav should be more in line with what risto is getting imo. but agree. giving all three benefits was bad for the future.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Mar 14 @ 12:59 PM ET
Wasn't Dave Scott supposed to address the media after arriving back from Pittsburgh? Or just Danny?

Does he still prefer a GM with an action bias? What timeframe is he referring to specifically when he mentions this is going to take time?

jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Mar 14 @ 1:01 PM ET
Leadership. There is the Flyers brainwashing in full effect. Intangibles, that's what they need.
- MJL

I meant leadership at the executive level, not at the team level.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Mar 14 @ 1:07 PM ET
Lots of questions I would love to ask Danny Briere but he would never answer.

What did you think of the Ristolainen trade and the subsequent re-signing?

What did you think about the Deslauriers signing?

What did you think about the Angelo trade and signing?

What did you think of the Sanheim contract?

- MJL


All great questions and here’s one more:

Danny, why should the fans believe that you are the one to win them back?
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