I disagree that he gave prepared answers. I don't believe that other than the short opening statement. It was all him and not prepared.
- MJL

Sure. You can disagree. We will leave it at that.

IMO a marquee franchise is one that has a strong appeal to players and staff regardless of current standings and recent success. It's usually some combination of the city, team history, arena, amenities, ownership, reputation for treating employees exceptionally well, colors/logo/jerseys, endorsement opportunities, (Original Six) mystique, easy travel, post-career job opps, tax exemptions, etc.

I think the Flyers have a lot of the above going for them but they're really starting to fall short in some aspects. They're probably more of a second-tier team at this point if we're being generous.
- Tomahawk

Marquee can hold through bad times and a rebuild, they can't when they make the same mistakes over and over, then they are not honest with you.

Rangers, the letter, PR or not told the story, then they did the rebuild.

Marquee can hold through bad times and a rebuild, they can't when they make the same mistakes over and over, then they are not honest with you.

Rangers, the letter, PR or not told the story, then they did the rebuild.
- wcorvette

They basically bought their way into top status in the 90's. Brand new arena, a near unlimited player budget and $15M cash for #88. On paper they should have never been able to compete with the Rangers in terms of organizational sex appeal.

Now their budget is constrained, the arena gets older/blander every passing year and the face of the franchise is Coach Dinosaur.

I think the slide pre-dates Snider's death.

The salary cap was the beginning of the end.
- Tomahawk

Once they handcuffed themselves with the cap, they finally realized the NHL changed to a speed and skill game, them being late on that, to me, is when they started to become a band aide franchise

Marquee can hold through bad times and a rebuild, they can't when they make the same mistakes over and over, then they are not honest with you.

Rangers, the letter, PR or not told the story, then they did the rebuild.
- wcorvette

A marquee franchise even when they aren't doing well as a team and is in a down cycle makes good decisions and takes a sensible path to improvement. Hockey with a salary cap, there is always going to be an inevitable down cycle after a period of success. You can't be a marquee franchise when as you say, making the same mistakes over and over and as the coach stated. Unprofessionally run.

Once they handcuffed themselves with the cap, they finally realized the NHL changed to a speed and skill game, them being late on that, to me, is when they started to become a band aide franchise
- wcorvette

The issue is that they're still late on that. After all this time.

The history is just that. When an organization is as dysfunctional as this one is, you can't and don't deserve to fall back on history. Right now, complaining and looking at every factor is incredibly sensible.
- MJL

Let me help and I'm not from the government.
It wasn't always dysfunctional, which is also part of the history. I didn't fall back on anything. If you think every night time sprawl on the bed should include pressed sheets, well, aren't you demanding! Also, powerless.
What possible purpose are you serving up for being picky now?
It's like moaning about the fact that a check is in the mail, but you don't know for how much. What are you going to do about it?
Wait. You will wait.

They basically bought their way into top status in the 90's. Brand new arena, a near unlimited player budget and $15M cash for #88. On paper they should have never been able to compete with the Rangers in terms of organizational sex appeal.

Now their budget is constrained, the arena gets older/blander every passing year and the face of the franchise is Coach Dinosaur.
- Tomahawk

I agree but I am a little lees harsh with Torts. One, it makes no difference who is coaching this slop salad and 2, I like big personality that took over the country club. There is no doubt who is the HMFIC. Then 3rd he draws the attention away from the players, maybe, just maybe that gives the young guys some cover to develop

Once they handcuffed themselves with the cap, they finally realized the NHL changed to a speed and skill game, them being late on that, to me, is when they started to become a band aide franchise
- wcorvette

When's the last time the Flyers were actually ahead of the curve? The 70's?

A marquee franchise even when they aren't doing well as a team and is in a down cycle makes good decisions and takes a sensible path to improvement. Hockey with a salary cap, there is always going to be an inevitable down cycle after a period of success. You can't be a marquee franchise when as you say, making the same mistakes over and over and as the coach stated. Unprofessionally run.
- MJL

you mean not having a plan could effect a franchise

A marquee franchise even when they aren't doing well as a team and is in a down cycle makes good decisions and takes a sensible path to improvement. Hockey with a salary cap, there is always going to be an inevitable down cycle after a period of success. You can't be a marquee franchise when as you say, making the same mistakes over and over and as the coach stated. Unprofessionally run.
- MJL

Oh youre defining marquee as not by the dictionary standard. Which is that its a big name hockey club. It has cache for various reasons. You're strictly looking at a view on how its run. I think Philly has a bigger name/meaning than you think.

When's the last time the Flyers were actually ahead of the curve? The 70's?
- Tomahawk

hurts my brain to think that hard, found this



Philadelphia Flyers History
Overview
The Philadelphia Flyers have played a total of 55 seasons. Their first season was in 1968, and their most recent season was in 2023.

Have the Philadelphia Flyers gone by any other names?
No, the Philadelphia Flyers have been known by that name since 1968.

What division do the Philadelphia Flyers play in?
The Philadelphia Flyers currently play in the Metropolitan Division of the Eastern Conference.

What was the best start to a Flyers season?
The best start to a Flyers season was the 1986-87 Philadelphia Flyers, who started the season 6-0. The second best start to a season was the 1983-84 Philadelphia Flyers, who started the season going 5-0. The third best starts to a Flyers season was the 1973-74 Philadelphia Flyers, the 1975-76 Philadelphia Flyers, the 1977-78 Philadelphia Flyers, the 1988-89 Philadelphia Flyers and the 1995-96 Philadelphia Flyers, who all started the season at 4-0.

What was the worst start to a Flyers season?
The worst start to a Flyers season was the 2008-09 Philadelphia Flyers, who started the season at 0-6. The second worst start to a season was the 2014-15 Philadelphia Flyers, who started the season with 4 losses. The third worst starts to a Flyers season was the 1989-90 Philadelphia Flyers, the 1994-95 Philadelphia Flyers, the 2012-13 Philadelphia Flyers and the 2013-14 Philadelphia Flyers, who all started the season with 3 straight losses.

When was the last time the Flyers were in the playoffs?
The Philadelphia Flyers last made the playoffs in 2020, when they lost the Conference Semi-Finals. They've been in the playoffs a total of 40 times in their 55 seasons.

When was the last time the Flyers missed the playoffs?
The Philadelphia Flyers last missed the playoffs in 2022.

When was the last time the Flyers won a playoff series?
In 2020, the Philadelphia Flyers beat the Montreal Canadiens in the First Round.

When was the last time the Flyers lost a playoff series?
In 2020, the Philadelphia Flyers lost to the New York Islanders in the Conference Semi-Finals.

What years did the Flyers make the Stanley Cup Finals?
The Philadelphia Flyers have appeared in the Stanley Cup Finals 8 times, in 1974, 1975, 1976, 1980, 1985, 1987, 1997 and 2010.

Let me help and I'm not from the government.
It wasn't always dysfunctional, which is also part of the history. I didn't fall back on anything. If you think every night time sprawl on the bed should include pressed sheets, well, aren't you demanding! Also, powerless.
What possible purpose are you serving up for being picky now?
It's like moaning about the fact that a check is in the mail, but you don't know for how much. What are you going to do about it?
Wait. You will wait.
- Pompous

Doesn't matter at this point whether it wasn't always dysfunctional. It is now and has been for quite a while. The "you" in you don't get to fall back on history is not you. It's the Flyers.

This is a hockey discussion board. Where we discuss the team.

Oh youre defining marquee as not by the dictionary standard. Which is that its a big name hockey club. It has cache for various reasons. You're strictly looking at a view on how its run. I think Philly has a bigger name/meaning than you think.
- Aaron_85

Who does it have a bigger name/meaning with?

trades, here the list of 1st round picks, I see a few teams who might want to take on Hart, Tk or Provy. Only one team will win the cup, there should be a good handful looking to add pieces to take the next step.

Blues, Detroit, Washington, Buffalo, Calgary and even AZ. Some of them have multiple first and seconds. The big question, is a late first worth a TK or Provy, need multiple bidders to get full value.





https://www.tankathon.com/nhl

trades, here the list of 1st round picks, I see a few teams who might want to take on Hart, Tk or Provy. Only one team will win the cup, there should be a good handful looking to add pieces to take the next step.

Blues, Detroit, Washington, Buffalo, Calgary and even AZ. Some of them have multiple first and seconds. The big question, is a late first worth a TK or Provy, need multiple bidders to get full value.





https://www.tankathon.com/nhl
- wcorvette

They are both worth more than a late first

trades, here the list of 1st round picks, I see a few teams who might want to take on Hart, Tk or Provy. Only one team will win the cup, there should be a good handful looking to add pieces to take the next step.

Blues, Detroit, Washington, Buffalo, Calgary and even AZ. Some of them have multiple first and seconds. The big question, is a late first worth a TK or Provy, need multiple bidders to get full value.





https://www.tankathon.com/nhl
- wcorvette

That's pretty cool. The 4th sim I did, the Flyers got the #1 pick.

That's pretty cool. The 4th sim I did, the Flyers got the #1 pick.
- MJL

Perfect

Identify Visualize Believe Achieve

1. Flyers

That's pretty cool. The 4th sim I did, the Flyers got the #1 pick.
- MJL

lets hope your 4 is reality

They are both worth more than a late first
- ClaudeFather

yeah I agree, why trade them for that, except timeline.

Cutter season is over right?

Led his team in scoring, be curious what he can do with a better team around him.

32 games 16 goals 21 assists 37 points 12% shooting

what will he do???

Elliot Friedman says Caaaaater Haaaat is available in trade talks. This guy is usually pretty in tune with things. I wonder what he would fetch from Edmonton or the Laffs if those teams go belly up come playoff time due to shoddy goaltending. Guess I should add the Sabres to that list since their blogger is already forming trade scenarios for Hart. His offer would be their young goalie and a second round pick along with a B prospect. Gonna have to do better than that fellas.

yeah I agree, why trade them for that, except timeline.
- wcorvette

Agreed. You would need a 1st, another pick and even maybe a prospect to even come to the table. For all three. At least 3 assets for sure with a 1st round pick being the non negotiable starting point.

I agree but I am a little lees harsh with Torts. One, it makes no difference who is coaching this slop salad and 2, I like big personality that took over the country club. There is no doubt who is the HMFIC. Then 3rd he draws the attention away from the players, maybe, just maybe that gives the young guys some cover to develop
- wcorvette

Yet he throws certain players under the bus

Elliot Friedman says Caaaaater Haaaat is available in trade talks. This guy is usually pretty in tune with things. I wonder what he would fetch from Edmonton or the Laffs if those teams go belly up come playoff time due to shoddy goaltending. Guess I should add the Sabres to that list since their blogger is already forming trade scenarios for Hart. His offer would be their young goalie and a second round pick along with a B prospect. Gonna have to do better than that fellas.
- Phillywhiteout

If Hart is available it’s open season on everyone imo.