Points since Dec. 7 (43 GP): Tippett 28 (14-14-28), Frost 27 (10-17-27).

Two different types of players, both needed on a team that's thin in offensive depth. Frost leads the team in assists in that 43-game span and, in fact, could and should have 8-10 more assists than that if the club had better finishers. He's always going to be more playmaker than goal scorer.
- bmeltzer

I don’t think points are the issue. It’s the turnovers. High risk plays. The trying to do too much. It’s the having one really nice game and barely noticeable the following game.

If they trade Provorov, who plays on the top pairing?
- MJL

Pavel Kubina?

They definitely don’t need any free agent forwards this offseason. They need to develop what they have. Only caveat is if Coots and Atkinson both can’t play, and they don’t move anyone, maybe one. I still wouldn’t. Give Frost a longer look at PK.
- NC Flyers Fan

At this point they have more than enough young guys vying for pretty much every position. That’s why I’m not overly concerned about the cap. There will be more than enough $ to pay some of the young RFA’s unless they do something that we haven’t seen yet? Lol.
If that were to happen then that’s a good problem…that can be fixed if Danny boy sticks to the plan.

If they trade Provorov, who plays on the top pairing?
- MJL

Finally. The question nobody asks.

Finally. The question nobody asks.
- SuperSchennBros

The answer is who cares.

I don’t think points are the issue. It’s the turnovers. High risk plays. The trying to do too much. It’s the having one really nice game and barely noticeable the following game.
- SuperSchennBros

That's why they are not top line players. Middle six guys show the flashes but don't have the consistency. It's okay to not be a top line player. Every team need 4 centers and 8 wingers.

That's why they are not top line players. Middle six guys show the flashes but don't have the consistency. It's okay to not be a top line player. Every team need 4 centers and 8 wingers.
- mickel25

I agree. It’s a matter of contract status now. They only signed him to one season and Torts doesn’t seem to want him.

In my opinion Torts is gonna be here until the organization finds itself heading in the right direction. That’s when you move on from him. What’s the point in bringing in another coach if you’re just going set them up for failure?

Both Sanheim and Provorov are ultimately responsible for their own play. Provorov, especially on the last second goal in regulation, was guilty of simply trying to do too much. He lost positional and situational awareness. He bit into being dragged away from the net and the entire team lost back side net awareness. It's late in the season and I see the Flyers as a team, still don't have a quality attention to detail defensively in their own zone. That's a failure on the coaching staff. A head coach who preaches defense first and is known as a coach who cleans up the small areas and details of the game. It's just not present right now. Team wide.
- MJL

Some players will just never get it no matter what the coaching does. It isnt all on the coaches. Players are accountable also

Thanks for the update. I saw this… https://twitter.com/tonya...&t=QyCOD1csM3XBfH3b6QYeYA
- NC Flyers Fan

Yeah I saw him yell and the refs did call a make up penalty, the Phantoms pp looked as bad as the flyers PP.

Finally. The question nobody asks.
- SuperSchennBros

Ummm, I think this question has already been asked 100 times or more, but whatever.

I agree. It’s a matter of contract status now. They only signed him to one season and Torts doesn’t seem to want him.

In my opinion Torts is gonna be here until the organization finds itself heading in the right direction. That’s when you move on from him. What’s the point in bringing in another coach if you’re just going set them up for failure?
- SuperSchennBros

To me, Frost and Tippett are part of the longterm with this team. Both have had good seasons on a terrible team. I think they will only get better. Tippett should be a regular 30 goal guy. Frost is capable of 60+ points regularly.

Some players will just never get it no matter what the coaching does. It isnt all on the coaches. Players are accountable also
- bradster

Agreed. I think hockey IQ is often overlooked in the importance of being an NHL level player. It seems many of the Flyers players are lacking in this department (Risto and Provorov come to mind). You can have all the physical tools, but you also need to be able to think the game at an NHL level. Just ask Phil Myers. Eh what?

I don’t think points are the issue. It’s the turnovers. High risk plays. The trying to do too much. It’s the having one really nice game and barely noticeable the following game.
- SuperSchennBros

Except that Frost does NOT actually have an inordinate amount of turnovers. Not saying that he hasn't had some bad ones that have ended up in the Flyers' net. But by volume, he's eighth on the team and by the per-60 metric, he's tied with Konecny (1.32 per 60) for 10th on the team among all players who've played at least 20 games. Also, Frost is on the positive side (+7) of the takeaways/ giveaways ledger.

Frost can pick his spots better sometimes in taking risks but it's vastly overblown as a major issue in the average game.

Agreed. I think hockey IQ is often overlooked in the importance of being an NHL level player. It seems many of the Flyers players are lacking in this department (Risto and Provorov come to mind). You can have all the physical tools, but you also need to be able to think the game at an NHL level. Just ask Phil Myers. Eh what?
- Phillywhiteout

I think Provorov has developed bad habits. I think he is somewhat fixable. Risto has played the best he is capable of this year. That's not a compliment.

Ummm, I think this question has already been asked 100 times or more, but whatever.
- Phillywhiteout

Not from what I’ve seen. All I’ve seen is “trade Provorov!” Okay, so if the first reaction by the majority of this board is to trade him, which is asking who will replace him?

Except that Frost does NOT actually have an inordinate amount of turnovers. Not saying that he hasn't had some bad ones that have ended up in the Flyers' net. But by volume, he's eighth on the team and by the per-60 metric, he's tied with Konecny (1.32 per 60) for 10th on the team among all players who've played at least 20 games. Also, Frost is on the positive side (+7) of the takeaways/ giveaways ledger.

Frost can pick his spots better sometimes in taking risks but it's vastly overblown as a major issue in the average game.
- bmeltzer

I think Frost’s turnovers are very timely. When it’s a bad one, it’s a bad one.

To me, Frost and Tippett are part of the longterm with this team. Both have had good seasons on a terrible team. I think they will only get better. Tippett should be a regular 30 goal guy. Frost is capable of 60+ points regularly.
- mickel25

I want Frost and Tippett to work but it seems like one is more ready than the other.

As for our coaching status. My biggest disappointment with the organization is, we’re not even grooming a coach to take over for Torts. We’re never grooming the next guy. We know Lappy isn’t it.

I want Frost and Tippett to work but it seems like one is more ready than the other.

As for our coaching status. My biggest disappointment with the organization is, we’re not even grooming a coach to take over for Torts. We’re never grooming the next guy. We know Lappy isn’t it.
- SuperSchennBros

I agree on the coaching. Flyers never seem to have a coach ready to take the next step.

If they are going young and want to build it right why are we worried about our #1 d man who clearly wouldn’t be that on any good team? Hell, Risto was a top pairing guy in Buffalo for 4 years.
Give the minutes to guys like Sanheim and York.
How do guys like Provy and TK fit the timeline for being a decent team again? Consider how much is left on the contracts and what their status is at the end.
- landros 2

You still need some veterans on the team that can help guide the younger players. If the Flyers can get a haul for Provey then do it and hope they can draft a top pairing Defender in the next two drafts. As a fan I would like the Flyers to keep TK if at all possible. I really like him as a Flyer and I think the Flyers can be good again with him here.

Not from what I’ve seen. All I’ve seen is “trade Provorov!” Okay, so if the first reaction by the majority of this board is to trade him, which is asking who will replace him?
- SuperSchennBros

That's why I don't want him traded unless someone blows them away with an offer. He is a minute muncher and there is no one on the current roster to replace him.

I agree on the coaching. Flyers never seem to have a coach ready to take the next step.
- mickel25

And then with Frost. It’s not that I think he’s a bad player. I just want more than I think he can give.

That's why I don't want him traded unless someone blows them away with an offer. He is a minute muncher and there is no one on the current roster to replace him.
- Phillywhiteout

I agree with you.

And then with Frost. It’s not that I think he’s a bad player. I just want more than I think he can give.
- SuperSchennBros

He will not be a consistent point per game player. He will be a good middle six player for most of his career. He will probably move to wing for the back half of his career.

Personally, I want every forward to be Lindros, every d-man to be Howe and every goalie to be Bernie.

You still need some veterans on the team that can help guide the younger players. If the Flyers can get a haul for Provey then do it and hope they can draft a top pairing Defender in the next two drafts. As a fan I would like the Flyers to keep TK if at all possible. I really like him as a Flyer and I think the Flyers can be good again with him here.
- jd250

Start the cycle all over again? Draft a defenseman and play him as the #1 defenseman at 19 or 20. What could go wrong?

Start the cycle all over again? Draft a defenseman and play him as the #1 defenseman at 19 or 20. What could go wrong?
- MJL

How do you evaluate that that is the reason provy hasnt reached his potential? Is there stats that back that up?