Tippett is not a player that makes something happen pretty much every shift. Not even close. Tippett and Frost are very similar players in terms of scoring and scoring chances.
- MJL

Disagree, they are very different players and if you can't see that, you need to get your eyes checked. Its OK that Frost is not the same player as Tippet, a team needs facilitators as much as they need power forwards.

Frost makes a lot of stuff happen but your garden variety hockey fan won't even notice.
- Tomahawk

I don't have an issue noticing. I've been seeing it all season.

Benson is a very Flyers kind of player. Maximum effort and desire, all the time. Torts would like his attention to detail, fire and coachability.
- Tomahawk

Benson is a good player but I just don't like his size. I prefer bigger players because I think they have a better chance to be an impact player in the playoffs.

Disagree, they are very different players and if you can't see that, you need to get your eyes checked. Its OK that Frost is not the same player as Tippet, a team needs facilitators as much as they need power forwards.
- jd250

I guess you didn't comprehend what was meant by in terms of scoring and scoring chances. That's about the rate in which they put up points and generate scoring chances.

It's a strange phenomenon. I agree with you. Tippett is more of a one on one player. That stands out more. An example was last night in the first period, a poster insinuated that Frost wasn't playing well. He had already made a nifty deke to get himself in shot position and had distributed and passed the puck on the PP to create two scoring chances for the team at that point. I keep reading in games that Frost in invisible and think I must be watching a different game.
- MJL

Giving up a goal on a lost battle kind of negates a fancy move that led to him getting both of his shots blocked, no?

Giving up a goal on a lost battle kind of negates a fancy move that led to him getting both of his shots blocked, no?
- ClaudeFather

We discussed that play last night. I see it differently. The context was about Frost making plays. He made a bunch of them last night and has been making them all season.

Hockey karma would be for Chicago to turn into the Buffalo Sabres and miss the playoffs for 12 straight years despite years and years of top end picks.
- bmeltzer

Stick to the flyers…

Once again you show you know nada about buffalo.

1)12 years without playoffs? Ok wonderful. How many times philly make playoffs in those year? How many rounds did they win?

2) top end picks? Oh please god define top end pick? Let me educate you on their top picks since you make it sound like top 3 pick in draft.

They’ve had 3 in those 12 year.
Eichel
Dahlin
Power

That’s it bud.

And they flipped eichel for a ransom and Dahlin well yeah he sucks. And power. I mean barely able to vote

Now you want to add top end pick as more than to 3 pick say top 10 picks? Yeah let’s look at those. They are are all just there basically and coming still. They are a extremely young team

Now let’s look at the filthadelphia….
Patrick… only top 3 pick hahahaahaahahhaahahahaahahahahaahahahahahha


Top 10 picks
Provy… hahahahahahaajahajahahaahahaahahahaja average at best.

Stick to flyers dude as will smith would say
“Keep the Buffalo Sabres out ya f..k..g mouth”

I mean no offense in all this. No one in their right mind wouldn’t swap the last 12 years (flyers did nothing ) and the future of these teams with buffalo.

I prefer bigger players because I think they have a better chance to be an impact player in the playoffs.
- jd250

I don't think Cale, Kuch, Point, Fox, Marchand and Bread got that memo

Giving up a goal on a lost battle kind of negates a fancy move that led to him getting both of his shots blocked, no?
- ClaudeFather

I get that Frost losing that battle in the neutral zone contributed to that goal, but so did about 5 other things.

Oh come on. We got York instead of Caufield, that was the Flyers big “take a D over a F” recent moment. That’s working out just fine! 🤥
- mikeyo27

York was never considered by some to be best d man in the draft. Some had jiri as best dman.

Big difference there

Torts shouldn't even be consulted when it comes to who the Flyers draft. He'll be gone by the time any of these kids are in their 20s and really contributing.
- Feanor

But his laying the foundation of how to play will live on forever.


Very important piece

Stick to the flyers…

Once again you show you know nada about buffalo.

1)12 years without playoffs? Ok wonderful. How many times philly make playoffs in those year? How many rounds did they win?

2) top end picks? Oh please god define top end pick? Let me educate you on their top picks since you make it sound like top 3 pick in draft.

They’ve had 3 in those 12 year.
Eichel
Dahlin
Power

That’s it bud.

And they flipped eichel for a ransom and Dahlin well yeah he sucks. And power. I mean barely able to vote

Now you want to add top end pick as more than to 3 pick say top 10 picks? Yeah let’s look at those. They are are all just there basically and coming still. They are a extremely young team

Now let’s look at the filthadelphia….
Patrick… only top 3 pick hahahaahaahahhaahahahaahahahahaahahahahahha


Top 10 picks
Provy… hahahahahahaajahajahahaahahaahahahaja average at best.

Stick to flyers dude as will smith would say
“Keep the Buffalo Sabres out ya f..k..g mouth”

I mean no offense in all this. No one in their right mind wouldn’t swap the last 12 years (flyers did nothing ) and the future of these teams with buffalo.
- SMS4016

I think he meant where the picks were situated in the draft. Not the players picked.

'22-#8
'21-#1
'20-#8
'19-#7
'18-#1
'17-#8
'16-#8
'15-#2
'14-#2
'13-#8


So in the last 10 years they have picked in the top 10 every year. Including 4 picks in the top 2. (Reinhart, Eichel, Dahlin, Power)

So what were you saying about them not having top end picks? I guess everyone but you would consider top 10 picks top end.

I don't think Cale, Kuch, Point, Fox, Marchand and Bread got that memo
- Tomahawk

He wants the prototypical qb type.
6”4 220

While the mahomes/hurts play and win the championships

I think he meant where the picks were situated in the draft. Not the players picked.

'22-#8
'21-#1
'20-#8
'19-#7
'18-#1
'17-#8
'16-#8
'15-#2
'14-#2
'13-#8


So in the last 10 years they have picked in the top 10 every year. Including 4 picks in the top 2. (Reinhart, Eichel, Dahlin, Power)

So what were you saying about them not having top end picks? I guess everyone but you would consider top 10 picks top end.
- MBFlyerfan

Yes… actually forgot to add Reinhardt. Even better for my arguement as they got haul for him too.

I’m sick of bill and other who use this narrative with buffalo as an example of having top end picks and missing playoffs. As fodder and insult.

It’s EXACTLY what philly SHOULD be doing.

What bill doesn’t get (because he either doesn’t know because he doesn’t follow buffalo) or ignorantly choices to leave out is simply this…

Buffalo hasn’t missed playoffs last 12 years because of having bad teams and having to pick too 10 even with obvious tank year(s) ( mcdavid draft)

Side note philly would’ve been smart this year to do tank (bedard)

It’s the (frank)ing fact that Murray tried to rush the rebuild and trade picks (high picks too) to “go for it”. And it failed big time. It cost them dearly and PUSHED the rebuild back a good 5 years.

Fast forward to oreilly trade eichel trade Reinhardt trade etc and look now….

Does any of this sound familiar?

Hexy building
Change course
Go for it
Fail
They’ve both been basically azz for same period of time

Who’s looking at better days? Buffalo or philly?

This is why it matters because using buffalo as example as what not to do is FALSE. Murray (frank)ed Buffalo and was removed quickly. That’s what a real team does. They don’t let them continue on for 5 years destroying your team for foreseeable future

Stick to the flyers…

Once again you show you know nada about buffalo.

1)12 years without playoffs? Ok wonderful. How many times philly make playoffs in those year? How many rounds did they win?

2) top end picks? Oh please god define top end pick? Let me educate you on their top picks since you make it sound like top 3 pick in draft.

They’ve had 3 in those 12 year.
Eichel
Dahlin
Power

That’s it bud.

And they flipped eichel for a ransom and Dahlin well yeah he sucks. And power. I mean barely able to vote

Now you want to add top end pick as more than to 3 pick say top 10 picks? Yeah let’s look at those. They are are all just there basically and coming still. They are a extremely young team

Now let’s look at the filthadelphia….
Patrick… only top 3 pick hahahaahaahahhaahahahaahahahahaahahahahahha


Top 10 picks
Provy… hahahahahahaajahajahahaahahaahahahaja average at best.

Stick to flyers dude as will smith would say
“Keep the Buffalo Sabres out ya f..k..g mouth”

I mean no offense in all this. No one in their right mind wouldn’t swap the last 12 years (flyers did nothing ) and the future of these teams with buffalo.
- SMS4016

You've embarrassed yourself badly here. How does anything the Flyers have done negate or disprove the facts of what Bill said? The Sabres have missed the playoffs that many times. That's a fact. The Sabres have drafted I believe 11 players in the top 15 of the draft in the last dozen years or so. Including 9 picks in the top 10. Those are simple facts. The content of your post along with the obvious flaws in the logic are offensive to anyone with any sense.

Frost makes a lot of stuff happen but your garden variety hockey fan won't even notice.
- Tomahawk

so true, his anticipation and play in small places come to mind

I get that Frost losing that battle in the neutral zone contributed to that goal, but so did about 5 other things.
- MBFlyerfan

It wasn't even a battle. It was an errant bank outlet pass made by a defenseman that wound up in skates. Frost never had the puck. It's far easier to locate the puck when you're positioned away a bit like Tkachuk was then in trying to locate it around your skates. Tkachuk reached in a swatted it to the wall where Lemieux and his check was.

Benson is a good player but I just don't like his size. I prefer bigger players because I think they have a better chance to be an impact player in the playoffs.
- jd250

Don’t think it matters when it comes to Benson, he has a motor that never quits.
Brayden Point, Danny Briere, and Cale Makar all did/do pretty well in the playoffs despite their lack of size. If you have top notch skills, good wheels, smarts and determination, size becomes pretty irrelevant

Tippett is not a player that makes something happen pretty much every shift. Not even close. Tippett and Frost are very similar players in terms of scoring and scoring chances.
- MJL

you must not watch the games

It wasn't even a battle. It was an errant bank outlet pass made by a defenseman that wound up in skates. Frost never had the puck. It's far easier to locate the puck when you're positioned away a bit like Tkachuk was then in trying to locate it around your skates. Tkachuk reached in a swatted it to the wall where Lemieux and his check was.
- MJL

it's ok to be wrong

also, you say "your skates" as if you have a pair yourself...

we all know you don't

You've embarrassed yourself badly here. How does anything the Flyers have done negate or disprove the facts of what Bill said? The Sabres have missed the playoffs that many times. That's a fact. The Sabres have drafted I believe 11 players in the top 15 of the draft in the last dozen years or so. Including 9 picks in the top 10. Those are simple facts. The content of your post along with the obvious flaws in the logic are offensive to anyone with any sense.
- MJL

Bill's whole premise is that simply getting top picks means nothing unless you execute on them. The Sabres have not. It's as simple as that. Sure they have some players that could be really good/great. Until they are they haven't accomplished anything.

I hope the Flyers are able to be a top level team in fewer than 12 years.

Bill's whole premise is that simply getting top picks means nothing unless you execute on them. The Sabres have not. It's as simple as that. Sure they have some players that could be really good/great. Until they are they haven't accomplished anything.

I hope the Flyers are able to be a top level team in fewer than 12 years.
- mickel25

Exactly. Bill posted indisputable facts and his opinion as you described it is accurate. it is as simple as that. For most anyway.

You've embarrassed yourself badly here. How does anything the Flyers have done negate or disprove the facts of what Bill said? The Sabres have missed the playoffs that many times. That's a fact. The Sabres have drafted I believe 11 players in the top 15 of the draft in the last dozen years or so. Including 9 picks in the top 10. Those are simple facts. The content of your post along with the obvious flaws in the logic are offensive to anyone with any sense.
- MJL

Yeah you’re right. Because ya know
Hopefully karma hits Chicago LIKE BUFFALO MISSING PLAYOFFS THE LAST 12 YEARS DESPITE HAVING MULTIPLE TOP END PICKS….


Because having all these top end picks isn’t the path because Buffalo did.

Never mind the facts of what actually happened

As I’ve continued to point out

That I will continue to point is EXACTLY THE PATH PHILLY SHOULD BE ON

With the exception of trying to stupidly rush a rebuild and go for it and force it in the middle of rebuild.


You want a scenario to help you since you can’t or won’t follow along due to obtuse.

Say philly gets lucky and gets bedard in this draft or say any of the other top 3. And philly sitting look at
Bee York bedard(whoever) tip hart etc young talent and they decide to trade players and extremely high upcoming draft capital for players to add to try to go for it.

Wouldn’t that be comletely stupid? Yes it would. Because the smart move would be to continue to build until those young players matured.

That’s what Buffalo did. And it failed miserably.

So yeah bill sorry mjl can piss off with “those facts” they missed playoffs 12 years and should even be in breath of karma to anyone.

You’re obtuse.

Bill's whole premise is that simply getting top picks means nothing unless you execute on them. The Sabres have not. It's as simple as that. Sure they have some players that could be really good/great. Until they are they haven't accomplished anything.

I hope the Flyers are able to be a top level team in fewer than 12 years.
- mickel25

That’s not what bill meant.

That’s not what bill meant.
- SMS4016

it is 100% what he meant.