Bill's whole premise is that simply getting top picks means nothing unless you execute on them. The Sabres have not. It's as simple as that. Sure they have some players that could be really good/great. Until they are they haven't accomplished anything.

I hope the Flyers are able to be a top level team in fewer than 12 years.
- mickel25

The fact buffalo had a lot of top 10 picks SHOULD. Tell you something was fishy there.

Either they really missed on those picks
Or some foul play was involved

I layed out why Buffalo missed playoffs for so long (Murray)

It doesn’t mean the whole 12years of top end picks is wrong. ITS EXAVTLY HOW YOU REBUILD

It’s exactly what philly should do

Bill at best is guilty of being lazy by his statement or false narrative

I don’t want to get into the conversation of putting one player down, to left another up but I do disagree Frost and Tippett are two similar players both style and chances created. Tippett forchecking speed in terms of gaining on a defender and winning puck races and creating chances this way, he’s the only player on the team I see do this at least once a game. This isn’t taking away from Frost’s vision and playmaking. I’m sure if Frost’s supporting cast were more talented, he’d have more point. I just see more of Tippett creating his own chances as a scorer sometimes does.

I don’t want to get into the conversation of putting one player down, to left another up but I do disagree Frost and Tippett are two similar players both style and chances created. Tippett forchecking speed in terms of gaining on a defender and winning puck races and creating chances this way, he’s the only player on the team I see do this at least once a game. This isn’t taking away from Frost’s vision and playmaking. I’m sure if Frost’s supporting cast were more talebted, he’d have more point. I just see more of Tippett creating his own chances as a scorer sometimes does.
- SuperSchennBros

Hopefully we can add more centers like Frost and more wingers like Tippett. Talent is always needed.

The fact buffalo had a lot of top 10 picks SHOULD. Tell you something was fishy there.

Either they really missed on those picks
Or some foul play was involved

I layed out why Buffalo missed playoffs for so long (Murray)

It doesn’t mean the whole 12years of top end picks is wrong. ITS EXAVTLY HOW YOU REBUILD

It’s exactly what philly should do

Bill at best is guilty of being lazy by his statement or false narrative
- SMS4016

So the GM/Organization did not execute on the picks? Again just getting high picks repeatedly means nothing. That is Bill's point.

I don’t want to get into the conversation of putting one player down, to left another up but I do disagree Frost and Tippett are two similar players both style and chances created. Tippett forchecking speed in terms of gaining on a defender and winning puck races and creating chances this way, he’s the only player on the team I see do this at least once a game. This isn’t taking away from Frost’s vision and playmaking. I’m sure if Frost’s supporting cast were more talented, he’d have more point. I just see more of Tippett creating his own chances as a scorer sometimes does.
- SuperSchennBros

how could you possibly think this?? what, are you watching the games or something?

I don’t want to get into the conversation of putting one player down, to left another up but I do disagree Frost and Tippett are two similar players both style and chances created. Tippett forchecking speed in terms of gaining on a defender and winning puck races and creating chances this way, he’s the only player on the team I see do this at least once a game. This isn’t taking away from Frost’s vision and playmaking. I’m sure if Frost’s supporting cast were more talented, he’d have more point. I just see more of Tippett creating his own chances as a scorer sometimes does.
- SuperSchennBros

Tips is more noticeable but there are little plays Frost makes to create, it is just not the primary assist, it could be on a break out or break in, a chip to space to gain possession, all that should lead to more points, and he should get better and play with better players as he progresses. I mean his current line is a call up and 4th liner and they are doing just fine

Yeah you’re right. Because ya know
Hopefully karma hits Chicago LIKE BUFFALO MISSING PLAYOFFS THE LAST 12 YEARS DESPITE HAVING MULTIPLE TOP END PICKS….


Because having all these top end picks isn’t the path because Buffalo did.

Never mind the facts of what actually happened

As I’ve continued to point out

That I will continue to point is EXACTLY THE PATH PHILLY SHOULD BE ON

With the exception of trying to stupidly rush a rebuild and go for it and force it in the middle of rebuild.


You want a scenario to help you since you can’t or won’t follow along due to obtuse.

Say philly gets lucky and gets bedard in this draft or say any of the other top 3. And philly sitting look at
Bee York bedard(whoever) tip hart etc young talent and they decide to trade players and extremely high upcoming draft capital for players to add to try to go for it.

Wouldn’t that be comletely stupid? Yes it would. Because the smart move would be to continue to build until those young players matured.

That’s what Buffalo did. And it failed miserably.

So yeah bill sorry mjl can piss off with “those facts” they missed playoffs 12 years and should even be in breath of karma to anyone.

You’re obtuse.
- SMS4016

You embarrassed yourself again. Bill's post was factually correct and your rambling on incoherently doesn't change that.

Oh come on. We got York instead of Caufield, that was the Flyers big “take a D over a F” recent moment. That’s working out just fine! 🤥
- mikeyo27

Please don't remind me. I'm already salty with this franchise

I haven't heard much of anything about York lately. Is that good or bad?

That’s not what bill meant.
- SMS4016

Yes it is. It is exactly what he meant.

Tips is more noticeable but there are little plays Frost makes to create, it is just not the primary assist, it could be on a break out or break in, a chip to space to gain possession, all that should lead to more points, and he should get better and play with better players as he progresses. I mean his current line is a call up and 4th liner and they are doing just fine
- wcorvette

Plays like Tippett made in the last game when he made the hesitation move on the boards and then beat his man with the puck to net. Those plays stand out. Frost makes a lot of subtler finesse plays that stand out equally to me, but they don't seem to most fans. Most good plays by a good playmaker aren't highlight level. Frost moves the puck smartly and creates plays.

Tips is more noticeable but there are little plays Frost makes to create, it is just not the primary assist, it could be on a break out or break in, a chip to space to gain possession, all that should lead to more points, and he should get better and play with better players as he progresses. I mean his current line is a call up and 4th liner and they are doing just fine
- wcorvette

Forget about Tip's scoring, skating etc.

Even without those he is a really crafty player, above average stick handling and protects the puck well. He can avoid checks and turnovers with nifty little moves to keep the play going. He's been doing it all season. His confidence is showing.

Most of what I've been impressed about Tip hasn't even come from his goals, that's just a plus. With TK out he's really been put to task and has risen to the occasion.

I'm not down on Frost at all. I like Frost. I am excited to see what he can become. Admitting Tip has been a very pleasant surprise does not mean I'm a "Frost hater" by any means. At least I've never expressed that.

But to say Tippett isn't more noticeable just seems contrarian to me

Please don't remind me. I'm already salty with this franchise

I haven't heard much of anything about York lately. Is that good or bad?
- Bob Habib

York has been pretty good this year. He is a plus player, playing top pair minutes on his offside for a terrible team. I know that is not as sexy as Caufield but he has been pretty good this year.

Plays like Tippett made in the last game when he made the hesitation move on the boards and then beat his man with the puck to net. Those plays stand out. Frost makes a lot of subtler finesse plays that stand out equally to me, but they don't seem to most fans. Most good plays by a good playmaker aren't highlight level. Frost moves the puck smartly and creates plays.
- MJL

Then you obviously haven't been watching Tippett do that all year.

Stop acting like you're seeing something others aren't. You've never played hockey a day in your life.

Benson is a good player but I just don't like his size. I prefer bigger players because I think they have a better chance to be an impact player in the playoffs.
- jd250

Tell that to Danny B

So the GM/Organization did not execute on the picks? Again just getting high picks repeatedly means nothing. That is Bill's point.
- mickel25

That wasn’t bills point. Bills point was hopefully Chicago got karma and became buffalo missing playoffs 12 straight years despite having multiple top end picks.

He said absolutely nothing or inferred nothing about having a gm or a team decision to go for it in middle of rebuild.

If he meant that wouldn’t it have been more accurate to replace buffalo with say laugh laugh philly

You embarrassed yourself again. Bill's post was factually correct and your rambling on incoherently doesn't change that.
- MJL

Well maybe you I mean bill can further EXACTLY what he means by buffalo.

He won’t. Because he knows it was lazy to throw that buffalo statement out there. It makes zero sense to try to make it that simple.

That wasn’t bills point. Bills point was hopefully Chicago got karma and became buffalo missing playoffs 12 straight years despite having multiple top end picks.

He said absolutely nothing or inferred nothing about having a gm or a team decision to go for it in middle of rebuild.

If he meant that wouldn’t it have been more accurate to replace buffalo with say laugh laugh philly
- SMS4016

Bill said that due to Chicago's scandal and that they have already won 3 cups in a five year span. He wanted them banished to hockey purgatory which Buffalo kind of is. Flyers are right there with them though.

You act like Buffalo is far ahead of the Flyers right now. They are but not by a whole lot. So who is really doing it wrong?

it is 100% what he meant.
- mickel25

Stock market is up. Economy is great

True?
Maybe?

It not that plain and simple

Bunch top end picks… No payoffs. Simple


Yeah ok.

Definitely don’t want philly doing that. IN FACT ILL CONDEMN IT UNTO THE “KARMA” category.

But wait…. Who wouldn’t absolutely trade rosters with buffalo now?

Ohhhhhhhh no one in Philly wouldn’t. Oh ok. I see.

Philly must’ve had a great run. Won championships. Oh wait no they didn’t? They absolutely sucked balls too? Weird.

Well maybe you I mean bill can further EXACTLY what he means by buffalo.

He won’t. Because he knows it was lazy to throw that buffalo statement out there. It makes zero sense to try to make it that simple.
- SMS4016

Why would Bill need to further explain what was a very simple and easily comprehendible point?

Bill said that due to Chicago's scandal and that they have already won 3 cups in a five year span. He wanted them banished to hockey purgatory which Buffalo kind of is. Flyers are right there with them though.

You act like Buffalo is far ahead of the Flyers right now. They are but not by a whole lot. So who is really doing it wrong?
- mickel25

It’s the despite having top end picks that pisses me off. It’s a false narrative. He knows it.

I get the rest. You want to say 12 straight years no playoffs? Fine. You could also say I hope Chicago gets karma and doesn’t win a cup for next 48 years like philly.

See the point.

I’m sick and (frank)ing tired of blanket statements especially from people I expect quite frankly more from like bill. Because they are not only looked up to but sought out for their opinion on matters.

In this case hockey.

More specifically the flyers.

Its equivalent to cf or briere saying we need more talent

No poop.

No poop Buffalo hasn’t made playoffs in 12 years. And has very little to do with “despite having top end picks”

So no I don’t hope Chicago gets that “karma” I hope they get philly karma.

Why would Bill need to further explain what was a very simple and easily comprehendible point?
- MJL

Obtuse.

Go for a skate. You might learn something

It’s the despite having top end picks that pisses me off. It’s a false narrative. He knows it.

I get the rest. You want to say 12 straight years no playoffs? Fine. You could also say I hope Chicago gets karma and doesn’t win a cup for next 48 years like philly.

See the point.

I’m sick and (frank)ing tired of blanket statements especially from people I expect quite frankly more from like bill. Because they are not only looked up to but sought out for their opinion on matters.

In this case hockey.

More specifically the flyers.

Its equivalent to cf or briere saying we need more talent

No poop.

No poop Buffalo hasn’t made playoffs in 12 years. And has very little to do with “despite having top end picks”

So no I don’t hope Chicago gets that “karma” I hope they get philly karma.
- SMS4016

They have won more cups in Buffalo than the Sabres.

Bill said that due to Chicago's scandal and that they have already won 3 cups in a five year span. He wanted them banished to hockey purgatory which Buffalo kind of is. Flyers are right there with them though.

You act like Buffalo is far ahead of the Flyers right now. They are but not by a whole lot. So who is really doing it wrong?
- mickel25

Please project philly out 5 years
Please project buffalo out 5 years…


Buffalo is so far ahead of philly it’s not debatable. The only team even debatable for philly is arizona. And I’d take them by far over philly.

Philly is the worst team in nhl. They have nada to look forward too. Can this change? Possibly. Let’s see what they do at draft. And rest of season.

It has been a great year in regard to player development for the Flyers. Cates, Frost, Tippet, York and now Foerster, that is the making a new core of good young players to build around. Plus the Flyers have young veterans like TK and Farabee and a couple of forwards in the pipeline in Gauthier and what I presume will be a high 2023 1at round pick. Its not all doom and gloom around here and its OK to be a little bit excited about the future trajectory.
- jd250

There is a ton of negativity, with good reason, surrounding this team. But now there does seem to be a plan….and better yet a way to get there. When Briere says it’s not a fire sale and it’s not a tear down, listing what you did really does illustrate that they do have some solid young pieces. Yes they lack that elite talent, but that will now be the goal for the incoming GM. As Torts suggested there Will definitely be some subtraction this summer…some may be a surprise, but the goal is build….that’s not always linear.

Please project philly out 5 years
Please project buffalo out 5 years…


Buffalo is so far ahead of philly it’s not debatable. The only team even debatable for philly is arizona. And I’d take them by far over philly.

Philly is the worst team in nhl. They have nada to look forward too. Can this change? Possibly. Let’s see what they do at draft. And rest of season.
- SMS4016

Well dude I think you are in for a rude awakening. The Sabres are ahead of the Flyers no doubt. But not by as much as you think. I do not see either being a real contender for the cup in the next five years.

What am I missing on the Sabres?