Please project philly out 5 years
Please project buffalo out 5 years…


Buffalo is so far ahead of philly it’s not debatable. The only team even debatable for philly is arizona. And I’d take them by far over philly.

Philly is the worst team in nhl. They have nada to look forward too. Can this change? Possibly. Let’s see what they do at draft. And rest of season.
- SMS4016

Wish it was that easy. Hell,I can’t predict next year…..(without of totally speaking out of my ass)

They have won more cups in Buffalo than the Sabres.
- mickel25

My fear for philly is seeing these young guys have some talent
Hart
York
Bee
Top
Frosty
Cutter
Trees
Etc the really young guys

They rid of Say some older players like
Provy
Hayes
Maybe tk
Etc. free up cap space.

We I think can all assume they are gonna try to some extent move some player. How many or who is debatable but some


My fear is the following moves…… what comes after?

That is the exact position Buffalo was in with Murray. They tried to rush the rebuild and traded high picks and players to go for playoffs. Failed miserable and led to dysfunction for 3-5 years.

What do you think philly is gonna do? Because I have zero faith they will make the necessary moves ridding of the older players again who or how many we shall see and actually continuing to rebuild.

My fear is they see talent of our young guys now and decide to try to retool. It WILL fail.

I point out the lazy narrative of buffalo picking high end as excuse for not building even if takes long time because when I see it used like bill did it’s false. And gives those seeking a plan or direction with what really happened.

Wish it was that easy. Hell,I can’t predict next year…..(without of totally speaking out of my ass)
- landros 2

I get that. That’s totally fair…

And I’m not saying Buffalo is th e next coming dynasty. There’s many teams building this way. It’s the only way to totally rebuild now. With cap.

I think it’s clear tho that’s the path. Even if Murray didn’t totally (frank) buffalo for a bit and it took 12 years so be it.

It’s still the path.

Philly has some nice young pieces.

So no I’m not wishing the path onto Chicago.

(frank) Chicago

I point out the lazy narrative of buffalo picking high end as excuse for not building even if takes long time because when I see it used like bill did it’s false. And gives those seeking a plan or direction with what really happened.
- SMS4016

Building and tanking are two different things. Bill's point is if you tank and do not execute the picks that is the worst position to be in. I 100% agree.

You have not tried to win for an extended period of time and you are not better off than if you had.

Every team should always be building. You do not need high picks to build. You need to execute regularly on your picks.

It’s the despite having top end picks that pisses me off. It’s a false narrative. He knows it.

I get the rest. You want to say 12 straight years no playoffs? Fine. You could also say I hope Chicago gets karma and doesn’t win a cup for next 48 years like philly.

See the point.

I’m sick and (frank)ing tired of blanket statements especially from people I expect quite frankly more from like bill. Because they are not only looked up to but sought out for their opinion on matters.

In this case hockey.

More specifically the flyers.

Its equivalent to cf or briere saying we need more talent

No poop.

No poop Buffalo hasn’t made playoffs in 12 years. And has very little to do with “despite having top end picks”

So no I don’t hope Chicago gets that “karma” I hope they get philly karma.
- SMS4016

I guess I need you to clarify what a top end pick is in your opinion. I feel like a top 10 pick is considered a high end pick. And from reading what Bill wrote, it was pretty clear to me that was what he meant. He wasn't speaking to WHO was picked, he was speaking about the picks themselves. At least that was the way I read it.

Please project philly out 5 years
Please project buffalo out 5 years…


Buffalo is so far ahead of philly it’s not debatable. The only team even debatable for philly is arizona. And I’d take them by far over philly.

Philly is the worst team in nhl. They have nada to look forward too. Can this change? Possibly. Let’s see what they do at draft. And rest of season.
- SMS4016

Did you watch the game last night. It is false to state that the Flyers have nothing to look forward to. The Flyers have some talented young player. I would take Buffalo's roster over the Flyers because I feel they have more high end players but that wasn't the point being made.

+1 on Fantilli, will see him in Allentown Friday.

Great, just checking the board today and I gotta hear the ramblings of an incoherent buffalo fan trashing the Flyers. Shuffle back to Buffalo. Even with your teams talent I'll still wager the Flyers win a cup before the Sabres do. They have never won anything.

Building and tanking are too different things. Bill's point is if you tank and do not execute the picks that is the worst position to be in. I 100% agree.

You have not tried to win for an extended period of time and you are not better off than if you had.

Every team should always be building. You do not need high picks to build. You need to execute regularly on your picks.
- mickel25

Tanking and failing is not really the worst position to be in. A team that is not good enough to be a playoff team or contend but is better than the lower teams in the league. While being capped out and not getting high picks is the worst place to be. Which is what the Flyers have been before last year and this year.

I get that. That’s totally fair…

And I’m not saying Buffalo is th e next coming dynasty. There’s many teams building this way. It’s the only way to totally rebuild now. With cap.

I think it’s clear tho that’s the path. Even if Murray didn’t totally (frank) buffalo for a bit and it took 12 years so be it.

It’s still the path.

Philly has some nice young pieces.

So no I’m not wishing the path onto Chicago.

(frank) Chicago
- SMS4016

Buffalo have some really solid young pieces…I mean Tage Thompson is ridiculous…Dahlin is a legit # 1. They also have some other really good young guys that are exciting. Now let’s see if they can take that next step. That next step is not the easiest. They’ve been there before when they had Eichel and Reinhardt but poop happened. That’s what makes the prediction game so tough. No one saw Thompson becoming a stud on this level.

+1 on Fantilli, will see him in Allentown Friday.
- Jkrgoflyers

He plays Flyers hockey, Torts would love him.

Tell that to Danny B
- Bob Habib

Yes, except how many cups did Danny B win? I don't want yet another player in this draft that is a supporting player. I want a player that is be able to do it on his own in the regular season and in the playoffs. The Flyers need this type of player. For me the Flyers need to find a way to get either Fantilli or Carlsson, assuming of course the Flyers do not win the lottery.

York has been pretty good this year. He is a plus player, playing top pair minutes on his offside for a terrible team. I know that is not as sexy as Caufield but he has been pretty good this year.
- mickel25

And it's technically his rookie years so those are all positives to hear about him
I don't watch the games do I didn't know what he has been doing on the ice.
With the unwarranted hatred from this board towards a lot of the players I take most of the hatred comments with a grain of salt.
Thank you for the York update!
If I ever have a night off I may watch a game at sone point now

I guess you didn't comprehend what was meant by in terms of scoring and scoring chances. That's about the rate in which they put up points and generate scoring chances.
- MJL

Well, right now they are close in points and games, Tippet is a bit ahead. But I see Tippet as a 30-40 goal scorer in this league, while I see Frost as more of an assist guy. Still, you need both on a good team so that is not meant to be a knock on Frost. I did notice him several times last night including setting up a nice chance on the PP for Farabee in front. That is what Frost has to continue to do, use his speed and be assertive. Last night was a good game for him.

I don't think Cale, Kuch, Point, Fox, Marchand and Bread got that memo
- Tomahawk

When I say bigger I don't necessariliy mean height, but muscle mass also. Brad Marchand for example is not a tall forward by NHL standards but he is built out of concrete and has a low center of gravity. He is almost impossible to knock off the puck and wins probably 90% of his puck battles, that to me is what makes him so tough to play against. Benson is listed at 160lbs and that concerns me a bit.

There's no such thing as hockey karma. If the tanking teams make good picks and good trades, they will do well in the future. If a non tanking team like the Flyers make mediocre picks and indulge in horrible trades like they did the last two years under Fletcher, they will do poorly.

Building and tanking are two different things. Bill's point is if you tank and do not execute the picks that is the worst position to be in. I 100% agree.

You have not tried to win for an extended period of time and you are not better off than if you had.

Every team should always be building. You do not need high picks to build. You need to execute regularly on your picks.
- mickel25

Tanking is part of building. To the extent will vary tho.

Is it tanking to rid players not part of future for high pick? Or is rebuilding? Or part of? Is it a fine line?

If you have to build through draft and best player are usually (not always) for mjl toward top draft and best chance to obtain players is to draft high do you not need some form of tank/rebuild combo? For best chance and with most speed?

The point of if you educate those picks really isn’t a factor is it? Logically speaking.

So in bills case he’s saying buffalo didn’t execute the picks (which is false to begin with) but let’s say that we’re true …

So you fail at executing those picks what are you to do? What’s the answer to fox the problem?

The answer is to do it again. Because that’s how you have to do it now.

Wash rinse repeat. Until you get it right

It doesn’t change the process.

Usually the mistake teams make is trying to rush or deviate at wrong time. That’s exactly what Murray did. Tried to rush it.

It’s also exactly what philly did firing hexy and going to some aggressive retool poop when it clearly wasn’t go time.

So both teams back to the process. The difference is buffalo did it more quickly and unlike bill is implying more successfully than philly.
No one wouldn’t trade trade philly young guys for buffalos. No one

Yes, except how many cups did Danny B win? I don't want yet another player in this draft that is a supporting player. I want a player that is be able to do it on his own in the regular season and in the playoffs. The Flyers need this type of player. For me the Flyers need to find a way to get either Fantilli or Carlsson, assuming of course the Flyers do not win the lottery.
- jd250

Danny Briere was a big time money playoff player.

Yeah you’re right. Because ya know
Hopefully karma hits Chicago LIKE BUFFALO MISSING PLAYOFFS THE LAST 12 YEARS DESPITE HAVING MULTIPLE TOP END PICKS….


Because having all these top end picks isn’t the path because Buffalo did.

Never mind the facts of what actually happened

As I’ve continued to point out

That I will continue to point is EXACTLY THE PATH PHILLY SHOULD BE ON

With the exception of trying to stupidly rush a rebuild and go for it and force it in the middle of rebuild.


You want a scenario to help you since you can’t or won’t follow along due to obtuse.

Say philly gets lucky and gets bedard in this draft or say any of the other top 3. And philly sitting look at
Bee York bedard(whoever) tip hart etc young talent and they decide to trade players and extremely high upcoming draft capital for players to add to try to go for it.

Wouldn’t that be comletely stupid? Yes it would. Because the smart move would be to continue to build until those young players matured.

That’s what Buffalo did. And it failed miserably.

So yeah bill sorry mjl can piss off with “those facts” they missed playoffs 12 years and should even be in breath of karma to anyone.

You’re obtuse.
- SMS4016

The thing is, putting karma aside, even if Chicago did finish dead last in the league this year and they win the lottery and get Bedard and Bedard turns into the next Sidney Crosby, that still guarentees Chicago nothing. Crosby was great but could not get the Penguins to the playoffs and eventually to the Cups without Letang, Malkin and Fluery. Edmonton hit on MacDavid and Draisaitl and they are the two best scorers in the NHL multiple seasons in a row, and yet Edmonton is nothing more than a bubble playoff team. The fact is to win in the NHL you need top end talent for sure, but you also need scoring depth, goaltending, 3 or 4 really strong defensemen, good coaching and a lot of luck. I really hope the Flyers get one of the top two picks in this draft because if they add either Bedard or Fantilli to this team, with Couts coming back next year, the Flyers will do some real damage within 2 seasons, because the Flyers have a good team building already and that one top end player will propel them forward very quickly.

There's no such thing as hockey karma. If the tanking teams make good picks and good trades, they will do well in the future. If a non tanking team like the Flyers make mediocre picks and indulge in horrible trades like they did the last two years under Fletcher, they will do poorly.
- Feanor

This goes back far longer than two years

Danny Briere was a big time money playoff player.
- MJL

He was, but he wasn't enough.

He was, but he wasn't enough.
- jd250

McDavid technically isn’t enough lol what are you saying here man

Well, right now they are close in points and games, Tippet is a bit ahead. But I see Tippet as a 30-40 goal scorer in this league, while I see Frost as more of an assist guy. Still, you need both on a good team so that is not meant to be a knock on Frost. I did notice him several times last night including setting up a nice chance on the PP for Farabee in front. That is what Frost has to continue to do, use his speed and be assertive. Last night was a good game for him.
- jd250

Frost has been making plays all season. Once he has been played with skilled linemates. Remember that argument? When you said that Frost should be producing even when playing with 4th line scrubs? I told you that Frost should be and needs to be playing with skilled offensive players?

He was, but he wasn't enough.
- jd250

It certainly wasn't his fault that the Flyers teams he played on didn't win.

When I say bigger I don't necessariliy mean height, but muscle mass also. Brad Marchand for example is not a tall forward by NHL standards but he is built out of concrete and has a low center of gravity. He is almost impossible to knock off the puck and wins probably 90% of his puck battles, that to me is what makes him so tough to play against. Benson is listed at 160lbs and that concerns me a bit.
- jd250

You don't need to be big. You just need to be really good. All of those players listed are really good despite not being good.