Worse than Jay Ob
- Just5

Jay Ob is a first round pick and Tuomaala is a 2nd round pick so just based on that I will disagree.

Bill, I'm sorry but the poster is not wrong! Every single coach has shown hesitancy when it comes to Morgan Frost. Its not about his talent its about his consistency in moving his feet and playing a 200 foot game. You yourself have quoted the player stating he got lazy because things were too easy for him in the minors and that clearly shown itself when he got to the Flyers. Yeo was happy with getting Frost to do the little things better for sure, but clearly Torts just stated that at the start of this season Frost was driving him crazy and needed to consistently play a 200 foot game, so clearly what Yeo started last season was unfinished. Bottom line is Frost has improved, but he clearly has not won over this coaching staff, nor did he win over Yeo and his coaching staff. I agree in the end Frost will be here next year barring an off season trade, but hearing Torts he wants to just augment the kids with solid veterans and not chase anything larger. I presume if Torts stated this then he already has agreement with Briere that this is the direction the team is going. When it comes to excitment level going into next season, seeing the development of Foerster and Tippet are at the top of my list. Can you imagine those two on either side of the Flyers' PP?
- jd250

The poster is wrong and so are you. You continue with this narrative of Frost not moving his feet. An issue that is far in the rear view mirror and was a few years ago. Did you also hear Tortorella state recently that Frost's play is night and day improved since a few years ago? What do you think he is referring to?

It's interesting that you don't include Frost in your level of excitement when his development is definitely on pace with either of those two players. It goes to your bias.

LOL. Pasternak has scored 30 goals and 44 assists for 74 points in 70 playoff games.

In the 17/18 playoff season, Pasternak had 6 goals and 14 assists for 20 points in 12 playoff games.

In 20/21 he had 7 goals and 8 assists for 15 points in 11 playoff games

Last year he had 3 goals and 3 assists for 6 points in 7 playoff games.
- MJL

Clearly his game drops off after the checks stop coming

Hope Foerster is not as soft as Pastrnak is. Regualr season is one thing, but Pastrnak has yet to perform above and beyond in the playoffs, which in Boston is the big knock on him.
- jd250

Can only dream for Foerster being 1/2 the player that Pasternak is

Can only dream for Foerster being 1/2 the player that Pasternak is
- hfc355

I really like Foerster’s all around game. I just hope he doesn’t get too comfortable and fall into the same bad habits these past rosters have had to offer. The only player that comes to mind who stepped into a Flyers line up and was instantly determined to be our best player was Claude Giroux and this was on a good team with really good players.

The poster is wrong and so are you. You continue with this narrative of Frost not moving his feet. An issue that is far in the rear view mirror and was a few years ago. Did you also hear Tortorella state recently that Frost's play is night and day improved since a few years ago? What do you think he is referring to?

It's interesting that you don't include Frost in your level of excitement when his development is definitely on pace with either of those two players. It goes to your bias.
- MJL

I agree with your assessment of the Frost/Tortorella dynamic.

I’ve found in many situations where evaluations are given by individuals in charge of educating and guiding others, that the person giving the evaluation State them in ways that highlight the effectiveness of the teacher/evaluator to their supervisors as much or more so than stating the current situation accurately of the person being evaluated.

I agree with your assessment of the Frost/Tortorella dynamic.

I’ve found in many situations where evaluations are given by individuals in charge of educating and guiding others, that the person giving the evaluation State them in ways that highlight the effectiveness of the teacher/evaluator to their supervisors as much or more so than stating the current situation accurately of the person being evaluated.
- Shrike

I'm sure of that as we can all probably relate to that. Tortorella is really kind of schizophrenic when it comes to statements he makes. I don't think he is aware or maybe he just doesn't care when it comes to talking about players. He definitely favors certain kinds of players over others. He doesn't really like finesse type offensive players unless they're dominant like Panarin. He definitely doesn't favor Frost as much as he does other young players such as Tippett. Even though they both have issues with their games. As is normal for young inexperienced players. The poster has tunnel vision and ignores the criticisms made by Tortorella of Tippet. For example, he has criticized his inconsistency as well as his over reliance on one on one plays. The poster also ignores for the most part the praise that Frost has been given. Other than a token "Frost has improved" It's an example of being repeatedly manipulated by a coaches statements or what is written or said by others. Rather than looking at the evidence. For example, today, we learned that Pasternak is soft on the playoffs. Despite his over a point per game scoring average in the playoffs.

Bill, I'm sorry but the poster is not wrong! Every single coach has shown hesitancy when it comes to Morgan Frost.
- jd250

Really? Have you interviewed said coaches on the record? Talked to them personally off the record? Because I have.

The poster was wrong. Torts is still ambivalent about Frost. The others all became believers by the end.

Torts dislike for frost is sickening and it bothers me. We can say that Torts is trying to push frost but at some point the kid needs to be praised for the work he has done
- Bob Habib

Torts does praise him. Just in the last post-game presser Torts praised Frost for a diving back-check.

Really? Have you interviewed said coaches on the record? Talked to them personally off the record? Because I have.

The poster was wrong. Torts is still ambivalent about Frost. The others all became believers by the end.
- bmeltzer

No I have not interviewed any coaches nor do I know any coaches personally. But I can read faces and gestures, and listen to what the coaches say when discussiing Frost, from Yeo last year to Torts this year. Yeo did work with Frost and went out of his way to praise him in even the littlest things. This told me Frost was haveing a confidence issue and Yeo was working with him on it. But even last season when Yeo was asked about Frost he repeatedly showed some level of discomfort and hesitancy before he answered the question. This year Torts has shown the same exact thing. You asked Torts a question about Frost just the other day in fact, and you know how Torts answered you. I wouldn't call it a ringing endorsement compared to how Torts answers questions about Tippet or Foerster for example. You can't possibly deny any of this. I know you like Frost and are rooting for him, and frankly I am rooting for him too, but clearly both Yoe and Torts have been ambivalent of Frost at one point or another.

The poster is wrong and so are you. You continue with this narrative of Frost not moving his feet. An issue that is far in the rear view mirror and was a few years ago. Did you also hear Tortorella state recently that Frost's play is night and day improved since a few years ago? What do you think he is referring to?

It's interesting that you don't include Frost in your level of excitement when his development is definitely on pace with either of those two players. It goes to your bias.
- MJL

Yes, let's talk about that "Night and Day" comment. Do you recall how Torts set that comment up? By stating that he was told things about Frost when Torts came here (and from the context I presume they were not positive things) and at the start of the season Torts stated Frost drove him crazy in his 200 foot game. This means that at the start of the season, Frost was not playing the 200 foot game Torts asks of all his forwards, which is EXACTLY what Yeo was working with Frost on last season. So that is the context. Frost, according to Torts, has improved throughout the season and is currently night and day from where Frost started. So stating the poster and I are wrong or that we are making up this narrative is completely false!

Why doesn't Tippet have this narrative, or even Foerster? Hmmm

My only issue with Frost currently is his contract status and how the Flyers intend to move forward. Other than that, Frost has made huge steps this season. It’s unquestionably.

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LOL. Pasternak has scored 30 goals and 44 assists for 74 points in 70 playoff games.

In the 17/18 playoff season, Pasternak had 6 goals and 14 assists for 20 points in 12 playoff games.

In 20/21 he had 7 goals and 8 assists for 15 points in 11 playoff games

Last year he had 3 goals and 3 assists for 6 points in 7 playoff games.
- MJL

Since I live in the Boston area I know what is stated aobut the team, and this is the "he's soft" narrative whether the numbers support it or not.

No I have not interviewed any coaches nor do I know any coaches personally. But I can read faces and gestures, and listen to what the coaches say when discussiing Frost, from Yeo last year to Torts this year. Yeo did work with Frost and went out of his way to praise him in even the littlest things. This told me Frost was haveing a confidence issue and Yeo was working with him on it. But even last season when Yeo was asked about Frost he repeatedly showed some level of discomfort and hesitancy before he answered the question. This year Torts has shown the same exact thing. You asked Torts a question about Frost just the other day in fact, and you know how Torts answered you. I wouldn't call it a ringing endorsement compared to how Torts answers questions about Tippet or Foerster for example. You can't possibly deny any of this. I know you like Frost and are rooting for him, and frankly I am rooting for him too, but clearly both Yoe and Torts have been ambivalent of Frost at one point or another.
- jd250

I spoke to Mike last summer. He predicted a breakout season for Frost. Said people misunderstood what he was saying at mid-season. There was no ambivalence... it was a matter of just doing it , tasting some success and going from there. That was already happening.

Instead it's been more of a breakout half season. Then again, spending nearly a month on the 4tg line, getting 10:35 TOI with Deslauriers and Mac as his primary linemates wasn't exactly conducive to a breakthrough. The skills sets were a total mismatch.

I've known Huffer for years. He is a believer in the player.

As for Torts, he's very much a first impressions guy and is slow to come around if his initial impressions aren't mainly positive. That's who he is as a coach.

Tortorella is of the belief that Frost is best motivated by raising the bar continuously on him. And that's fine. It can work. But there are people in the org who praise Frost for where he is right now and what he's done from Dec onward. There's further to go, but the same can be said of Tippett and the rest.

No I have not interviewed any coaches nor do I know any coaches personally. But I can read faces and gestures, and listen to what the coaches say when discussiing Frost, from Yeo last year to Torts this year. Yeo did work with Frost and went out of his way to praise him in even the littlest things. This told me Frost was haveing a confidence issue and Yeo was working with him on it. But even last season when Yeo was asked about Frost he repeatedly showed some level of discomfort and hesitancy before he answered the question. This year Torts has shown the same exact thing. You asked Torts a question about Frost just the other day in fact, and you know how Torts answered you. I wouldn't call it a ringing endorsement compared to how Torts answers questions about Tippet or Foerster for example. You can't possibly deny any of this. I know you like Frost and are rooting for him, and frankly I am rooting for him too, but clearly both Yoe and Torts have been ambivalent of Frost at one point or another.
- jd250

It's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are incapable of even deciphering properly a simple press conference by a coach. Let alone read faces and gestures.

For example you either block out or ignore when Tortorella says Tippett needs to be more consistent. How he needs to learn better how to work off of other players instead of playing so much one on one.

Since I live in the Boston area I know what is stated aobut the team, and this is the "he's soft" narrative whether the numbers support it or not.
- jd250

It doesn't matter where you live. The number of times you have misread or mis-described what is said, is staggering.