Still, people need to realize that Frost is doing well considering all the head winds that he's facing.
- Tomahawk

Frost has overcome every obstacle put in his way. Including injury, weak linemates and bad coaching.

You will end up with inmates running the asylum again.
- missingmike

That Cup win was 20 years ago before the lockout when the sport was very different. Surely no one is dumb enough to think that Torts is gonna win another one in his 60s.

Absolutely. Not being talked about because there seems to be a cult-like mentality among a portion of the fan base that loves Tortorella.
- StepfordSam

I am fine either way really. I am not married to any coach. If I was in charge I would give him another year. I am tired of the change in that position.

Hopefully there is seismic change to the roster and front office this offseason. Would be good to have a constant in the coaching staff.

I am also all for Briere if he gets the GM role or another hire putting their stamp on the team. If that includes changing the coach so be it.

Frost has overcome every obstacle put in his way. Including injury, weak linemates and bad coaching.
- MJL

100%

That Cup win was 20 years ago before the lockout when the sport was very different. Surely no one is dumb enough to think that Torts is gonna win another one in his 60s.
- Feanor

He's okay for now and maybe another year or two but the Flyers are going to need a new coach if they're fortunate enough to raise their talent level. Tortorella is basically a high paid interim coach at this point. Hopefully he can be this team's "Terry Murray"

We can't ignore the possibility that if both Yeo and Tortorella handled Frost differently, he would be more advanced than he is now as a player. There's no way to prove that and its speculation but I believe that he would be,
- MJL

Had to learn how to play a 200 ft game. All that did/does is stifles offensive creativity

Absolutely. Not being talked about because there seems to be a cult-like mentality among a portion of the fan base that loves Tortorella.
- StepfordSam

It's probably gonna shake out like Dubas inheriting Babcock. Torts will stick around for a bit until the working relationship between coach and GM becomes untenable.

Would be smarter just to can the fool right now and really start fresh.

Frost has overcome every obstacle put in his way. Including injury, weak linemates and bad coaching.
- MJL

I thought the low minutes and grinder linemates approach was dumb. Didn’t really see the need and still don’t think that it help. But you are right that Frost overcame that anyway and to me that has been a sign of a potential future impact players. I’m still hopeful for Frost. Big improvements the second half of this season.

That Cup win was 20 years ago before the lockout when the sport was very different. Surely no one is dumb enough to think that Torts is gonna win another one in his 60s.
- Feanor

i fail to connect my post and your response.

That Cup win was 20 years ago before the lockout when the sport was very different. Surely no one is dumb enough to think that Torts is gonna win another one in his 60s.
- Feanor

Only made it out of the 1st-round three times in the past 20-years. Missed the PO's six times in that span. Took a Canucks team with multiple HOF players and ran them into the ground.

No idea why people talk about him like he's some hockey whisperer.

We can't ignore the possibility that if both Yeo and Tortorella handled Frost differently, he would be more advanced than he is now as a player. There's no way to prove that and its speculation but I believe that he would be,
- MJL

could be, there is a case, the team itself limits success and growth however. Pushing through challenge can create greater growth. My issue is not the tough love, just do it across the board.

So the Flyers have two recalls left; I wonder if both should be defensemen. Have another look at Attard and see Ginning. It’s tough to say what the plan will be for the blue line next season, but it can’t hurt to look at some young in-house options.
- NC Flyers Fan

I agree. With the strong possibility that a dman is moved this off season id like to see who has potential to step into a role next season. I'd say zamula is a solid choice after the small sample that we juat got to see.
I dont see braun returning so that opens another spot, as well. Not that i want any of the kids to be a number 7 though

I still maintain that Frost would have over 50 points right now if he was playing with Tippet and Cates all year.

Only made it out of the 1st-round three times in the past 20-years. Missed the PO's six times in that span. Took a Canucks team with multiple HOF players and ran them into the ground.

No idea why people talk about him like he's some hockey whisperer.
- Tomahawk

Well, that goes a little far, but Torts is a winning NHL coach. I’d say he is better than at least the last four the Flyers have had. Just my opinion, but I don’t see him as not being able to adapt. Not going to agree with him or any coach on everything. Don’t always care for his delivery but he definitely cares.

I agree. With the strong possibility that a dman is moved this off season id like to see who has potential to step into a role next season. I'd say zamula is a solid choice after the small sample that we juat got to see.
I dont see braun returning so that opens another spot, as well. Not that i want any of the kids to be a number 7 though
- Bob Habib

Yeah, and it’s possible they move more than one. And yes, of course Seeler could serve as the 7th.

Danny B would be smart to fire Torts this summer and bring in his own guy.
- Tomahawk

This is what i am hoping happens.
Just think of how many millions comcast will be paying coaches who no longer work for the team 😂

Had to learn how to play a 200 ft game. All that did/does is stifles offensive creativity
- corduroy

What Yeo and to a certain extent Tortorella don't seem to believe is that you don't have to stifle a players strengths to work on other areas of his game. You can best support a player and give him the most confidence by putting him in the best position to succeed where he can use his strengths while at the same time. Working to improve in other areas. That's how the top teams develop skilled players

could be, there is a case, the team itself limits success and growth however. Pushing through challenge can create greater growth. My issue is not the tough love, just do it across the board.
- wcorvette

My issue is not continuing to push a player. It's the method and way that it's done.

I still maintain that Frost would have over 50 points right now if he was playing with Tippet and Cates all year.
- Flybynight88

No doubt in my mind. Cates would be more advanced as a player also.

Well, that goes a little far, but Torts is a winning NHL coach. I’d say he is better than at least the last four the Flyers have had. Just my opinion, but I don’t see him as not being able to adapt. Not going to agree with him or any coach on everything. Don’t always care for his delivery but he definitely cares.
- NC Flyers Fan

Coaches of Tortorella's age and experience that have had success in the past, don't adapt. They play their style and they'll win or lose with it. It was the same way with Laviolette, Vigneault, and its the same with Tortorella.


That's why they need a new modern day coach along the lines of Montgomery, Brind'Amour and Bednar. A coach who will tailor his system and style of play to skill, speed and efficiency. Use all of the tools available to improve the team.

No doubt in my mind. Cates would be more advanced as a player also.
- MJL

Exactly, Cates would be a valuable and versatile LW by now.

Ugh.. We've always been terrible at tanking.. No top pick for us..
- Hextall271

What we really need to do is take lottery-winning lessons from PIT, NJD, NYR, and EDM.

Well, that goes a little far, but Torts is a winning NHL coach. I’d say he is better than at least the last four the Flyers have had. Just my opinion, but I don’t see him as not being able to adapt. Not going to agree with him or any coach on everything. Don’t always care for his delivery but he definitely cares.
- NC Flyers Fan

24-mos ago he was busy trying to convert Patrik Laine into a net front power forward because size or something. One of the best pure shooters in the game from distance... he wanted him to crash the net and hunt for garbage. This was while repeatedly benching the 22-yo for not following The Standard.

The before and after pretty much says it all:

Laine before Torts: 0.82 P/G +0
Laine under Torts: 0.47 P/G -29
Laine after Torts: 0.97 P/G -19


His entire approach is taking any collection of players, no matter what their makeup and skillset, and forcing them to play the same damned way. Square pegs into round holes, it doesn't matter. He's a hammer.

No doubt in my mind. Cates would be more advanced as a player also.
- MJL

I understand and can see the point of wanting to play Cates with Frost and Tippett. It’s completely valid and a real possibility next season. I just don’t agree that this time at center is a negative for Cates development and definitely not a negative for the team going forward. Could he have had more points at wing? Sure but that isn’t more advanced that is just him playing a different position and benefiting from his capabilities there.

There is no guarantees that the Flyers get an NHL ready center in this draft. So on the one hand he may get moved to wing next season, or he could be the team’s 3C. Either way, I think expanding his skill set this year will benefit him and the team down the road. What if the have say, Coots—Frost—young 3C—4C and then run into injuries? It will be a good thing it isn’t his first time getting put into the middle as a 1C or 2C. Even as a future fill-in, this season at center has big value.

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