A few clarifications of my analogy on your request:
As well as a drill sergeant’s, Torts’ job is very temporary with the troops he has been given. So, yes, I agree with you- he is not a long term coach
Flyers had had problems with effort and work ethics, that’s why they needed a reset. Young players, definitely, will benefit from getting this in the beginning of their careers.
After mission and attitude set in a boot camp the personnel moves on to learn/ participate in more complex/ elite assignments. But they move on understanding roles, responsibilities and goals.
Hope that helps understanding my analogy
- missingmike

Solid analogy. The work ethic and lazy approach to games from the players has been poor for years. Torts drilled good habits into them for their growth and long term progress.
I fully agree he isn't the man for a rebuild though. His tough love wears thin very fast but I do appreciate the good habits and work ethic he is instilling into the youth.
With that said, how many more seasons do you see him behind our bench?

A few clarifications of my analogy on your request:
As well as a drill sergeant’s, Torts’ job is very temporary with the troops he has been given. So, yes, I agree with you- he is not a long term coach
Flyers had had problems with effort and work ethics, that’s why they needed a reset. Young players, definitely, will benefit from getting this in the beginning of their careers.
After mission and attitude set in a boot camp the personnel moves on to learn/ participate in more complex/ elite assignments. But they move on understanding roles, responsibilities and goals.
Hope that helps understanding my analogy
- missingmike

i was in the military, and coached 5 different sports. always applied a similar mentality to my teams. it works well.

A few clarifications of my analogy on your request:
As well as a drill sergeant’s, Torts’ job is very temporary with the troops he has been given. So, yes, I agree with you- he is not a long term coach
Flyers had had problems with effort and work ethics, that’s why they needed a reset. Young players, definitely, will benefit from getting this in the beginning of their careers.
After mission and attitude set in a boot camp the personnel moves on to learn/ participate in more complex/ elite assignments. But they move on understanding roles, responsibilities and goals.
Hope that helps understanding my analogy
- missingmike

I understood your analogy perfectly. I was looking to further the conversation. The Flyers don't really have an issue with effort and work ethic. Even Tortorella stated that they didn't have that issue. Every team through the course of a season has some off games where the effort is not 100%. That's just natural in a long season. Overall though the Flyers issue is and has been talent. Not work ethic.
The Flyers would do best by moving the team out of boot camp and away from the DS as soon as possible.

I understood your analogy perfectly. I was looking to further the conversation. The Flyers don't really have an issue with effort and work ethic. Even Tortorella stated that they didn't have that issue. Every team through the course of a season has some off games where the effort is not 100%. That's just natural in a long season. Overall though the Flyers issue is and has been talent. Not work ethic.
The Flyers would do best by moving the team out of boot camp and away from the DS as soon as possible.
- MJL

I have to wholly disagree here. This team has had a serious work ethic issues for quite sometime now. Many games in the past 5-10 seasons where this team sleep walked through games. Torts has them playing hard every night now, but there is a dearth of talent on this team that simply can't be overcome just yet. This current team has played harder on a more consistent basis than any Flyers team in the last decade IMO.

I have to wholly disagree here. This team has had a serious work ethic issue for quite sometime now. Many games in the past 5-10 seasons where this team sleep walked through games. Torts has them playing hard every night now, but there is a dearth of talent on this team that simply can't be overcome just yet. This current team has played harder on a more consistent basis than any Flyers team in the last decade IMO.
- Phillywhiteout

i agree, but under torts not as much, especially the second half of the season.

I understood your analogy perfectly. I was looking to further the conversation. The Flyers don't really have an issue with effort and work ethic. Even Tortorella stated that they didn't have that issue. Every team through the course of a season has some off games where the effort is not 100%. That's just natural in a long season. Overall though the Flyers issue is and has been talent. Not work ethic.
The Flyers would do best by moving the team out of boot camp and away from the DS as soon as possible.
- MJL

We will have to agree to disagree on the previous work ethic’s habits. Slow starts, missed roles. Some players alluded to this in their exit interviews last year. Atkinson went even further suggesting Torts as a coach. I suspect Tort’s tenure as a coach here will last not longer than 2 more seasons. I also suspect he will be elevated to FO job.

Solid analogy. The work ethic and lazy approach to games from the players has been poor for years. Torts drilled good habits into them for their growth and long term progress.
I fully agree he isn't the man for a rebuild though. His tough love wears thin very fast but I do appreciate the good habits and work ethic he is instilling into the youth.
With that said, how many more seasons do you see him behind our bench?
- Bob Habib

My guess would be- at most 1.5-2 seasons

i was in the military, and coached 5 different sports. always applied a similar mentality to my teams. it works well.
- Peter Richards

Same here (just 3 sports)

I have to wholly disagree here. This team has had a serious work ethic issues for quite sometime now. Many games in the past 5-10 seasons where this team sleep walked through games. Torts has them playing hard every night now, but there is a dearth of talent on this team that simply can't be overcome just yet. This current team has played harder on a more consistent basis than any Flyers team in the last decade IMO.
- Phillywhiteout

Exactly

My guess would be- at most 1.5-2 seasons
- missingmike

I think he gets through next season but I gone Danny B brings in another guy to help with the rebuild.
Honestly, I have no idea who that guy is but I hope it's a new age NHL coach who understand the game today and understands the value of having a healthy coach/player relationship

Same here (just 3 sports)
- missingmike

Also, if that happens, between AV, Torts, Hayes and possibly RR just imagine how much Comcast will be paying guys who are no longer a part of this franchise just to clean up feltchers bad decisions 😂😂

I have to wholly disagree here. This team has had a serious work ethic issues for quite sometime now. Many games in the past 5-10 seasons where this team sleep walked through games. Torts has them playing hard every night now, but there is a dearth of talent on this team that simply can't be overcome just yet. This current team has played harder on a more consistent basis than any Flyers team in the last decade IMO.
- Phillywhiteout

Lack of talent and a lack of team cohesiveness is often mistaken for a lack of work ethic. That hasn't been the Flyers issue. Their issue has been talent and coaching.

Tortorella has them playing hard every night now? No team plays at a high level every game but what did you think of the Flyers 11 shot performance last night? Did they play hard?

We will have to agree to disagree on the previous work ethic’s habits. Slow starts, missed roles. Some players alluded to this in their exit interviews last year. Atkinson went even further suggesting Torts as a coach. I suspect Tort’s tenure as a coach here will last not longer than 2 more seasons. I also suspect he will be elevated to FO job.
- missingmike

Slow starts aren't automatically a work ethic issue. It is terrifying to think of Tortorella in a front office job.

It's my understanding that Sandstrom will be gone next year so moving Hart this summer won't make a ton of sense.

I said it before but Torts contract is 4 years, as is Luke Richardsons. I know it's another ex-Flyer (they can't seem to stay away from them - christ we may even see Bundy in the booth again) he is actually a great modern coach with not a lot to work with in Chicago.

Depending on what he does with them (it would take a miracle) I would entertain that if he's interested. I'm not sure who else would be a good fit here and open to hearing others thoughts.

Torts I could see pres of hockey ops or even just scouting. all speculation though.

Slow starts aren't automatically a work ethic issue. It is terrifying to think of Tortorella in a front office job.
- MJL

he will never be a GM imo but he's probably looking at Trotz's playbook and figures there may be a place somewhere for himself beyond coaching. Danny seems to be listening.

idk, i'm not against it yet. my tune could change in the next 2 years. we'll see.

Lack of talent and a lack of team cohesiveness is often mistaken for a lack of work ethic. That hasn't been the Flyers issue. Their issue has been talent and coaching.

Tortorella has them playing hard every night now? No team plays at a high level every game but what did you think of the Flyers 11 shot performance last night? Did they play hard?
- MJL

this year, would say previous years was the lack of cohesiveness

Speaking of records... how many pages of arguing about ND fighting can we have today? I don't think anybody is swaying the opinion of anybody else on the topic.
I'd rather see arguing about frost (who is going to be a hell of a player, btw) over this fight. The game is over.
Let's argue about other irrelevant crap.

So it's been a small sample size but what do you guys think of Brink? He actually looked pretty good before his injury. I'm excited to see what he does next year after a healthy summer of training and building mass.
What other prospects are you excited to see? And why? Then we can argue about that, too!
- Bob Habib

Lol too funny! At least it was a change of pace, as there's always going to be Frost, Risto, Torts, etc arguments. I admit that I still enjoy fights and there's nothing better than a testy hockey game. I miss the days when teams hated each other. Obviously the Flyers and their Patrick Division rivalries were the best, but I used to look forward to Hawks-Blues, Red Wings-Avalanche, etc.

Lol too funny! At least it was a change of pace, as there's always going to be Frost, Risto, Torts, etc arguments. I admit that I still enjoy fights and there's nothing better than a testy hockey game. I miss the days when teams hated each other. Obviously the Flyers and their Patrick Division rivalries were the best, but I used to look forward to Hawks-Blues, Red Wings-Avalanche, etc.
- Don Nachbaur

imo it's a part of the sport. i don't want them to take it away. it's a physical sport and sometimes policing is necessary.

Lol too funny! At least it was a change of pace, as there's always going to be Frost, Risto, Torts, etc arguments. I admit that I still enjoy fights and there's nothing better than a testy hockey game. I miss the days when teams hated each other. Obviously the Flyers and their Patrick Division rivalries were the best, but I used to look forward to Hawks-Blues, Red Wings-Avalanche, etc.
- Don Nachbaur

We have been such a bad team for so long that we don't really have a legit rival anymore. There isn't a team to compare to and fight for a playoff spot with. I also miss those days and the deep seeded hatred between us and other franchises.
With frost, I don't understand the hate towards him. Even when every blogger, beat writer, and sports analysts show the numbers of how good he has been there are some still haters on this board. It blows my mind.
The difference I see in frost from tranijg camp to this very day is so impressive....
If he continues to move his feet, put on some mass, and work on his overall game this kid is going to be the real deal. I'm not saying a superstar by any means but he is a solid NHLer and only getting better.
I don't even understand the attempted comparisons between frost and Tippett. They are completely different players but they'll probably look great playing on a line together and developing chemistry over the next few seasons. Frosty feeding the puck to tipps sounds like a winning combo to me and I hope that we get to see a lot of that happen

he will never be a GM imo but he's probably looking at Trotz's playbook and figures there may be a place somewhere for himself beyond coaching. Danny seems to be listening.

idk, i'm not against it yet. my tune could change in the next 2 years. we'll see.
- black_francis

I don't know what he is looking at or thinking. Tortorella in a hockey ops position with great influence over the team would be a complete disaster for the Flyers. He's a mediocre coach at this point.

We have been such a bad team for so long that we don't really have a legit rival anymore. There isn't a team to compare to and fight for a playoff spot with. I also miss those days and the deep seeded hatred between us and other franchises.
With frost, I don't understand the hate towards him. Even when every blogger, beat writer, and sports analysts show the numbers of how good he has been there are some still haters on this board. It blows my mind.
The difference I see in frost from tranijg camp to this very day is so impressive....
If he continues to move his feet, put on some mass, and work on his overall game this kid is going to be the real deal. I'm not saying a superstar by any means but he is a solid NHLer and only getting better.
I don't even understand the attempted comparisons between frost and Tippett. They are completely different players but they'll probably look great playing on a line together and developing chemistry over the next few seasons. Frosty feeding the puck to tipps sounds like a winning combo to me and I hope that we get to see a lot of that happen
- Bob Habib

minus coots there's no one left for crosby to hate. we have become buffalo.

I don't know what he is looking at or thinking. Tortorella is a hockey ops position with great influence over the team would be a complete disaster for the Flyers. He's a mediocre coach at this point.
- MJL

how he would do is unknown until he does the job. and who knows, maybe he's not even interested in being a gm.

imo it's a part of the sport. i don't want them to take it away. it's a physical sport and sometimes policing is necessary.
- Peter Richards

If there is no policing on the ice then we would see a lot more injuries and a lot of cheap shots happening. Players need to be held accountable and by accountable I mean that they sometimes need a good ass beating. If you take that fight askext out of it it would get ugly on the ice.
Plus, that is what makes hockey so special. You fight and then sit for 5 minutes in a box. In any other sport it's fines and suspensions

We have been such a bad team for so long that we don't really have a legit rival anymore. There isn't a team to compare to and fight for a playoff spot with. I also miss those days and the deep seeded hatred between us and other franchises.
With frost, I don't understand the hate towards him. Even when every blogger, beat writer, and sports analysts show the numbers of how good he has been there are some still haters on this board. It blows my mind.
The difference I see in frost from tranijg camp to this very day is so impressive....
If he continues to move his feet, put on some mass, and work on his overall game this kid is going to be the real deal. I'm not saying a superstar by any means but he is a solid NHLer and only getting better.
I don't even understand the attempted comparisons between frost and Tippett. They are completely different players but they'll probably look great playing on a line together and developing chemistry over the next few seasons. Frosty feeding the puck to tipps sounds like a winning combo to me and I hope that we get to see a lot of that happen
- Bob Habib

I said it the beginning of the season, when everyone was all over Frost, he went to the AHL and struggled, then he figured it out and was their All-star, maybe he would follow the same pattern. I am not saying he is an all-star yet, but he has followed the same pattern. Another good off-season, work on face-offs, that will lead to more possession and another step forward next season and you have the real deal.

minus coots there's no one left for crosby to hate. we have become buffalo.
- Peter Richards

This hurts to read because I know that it's true.
How far we have fallen.... it's sad