Think about what you're saying. The FACT is that there is zero chance Hart gets traded. That may be your opinion but that is not a fact. I have news for you. Hart is not a franchise goaltender. Reliable sources such as Eliotte Friedman disagree with you that there is zero chance.

Briere is going be aggressive and trade up? Or is he going to try and trade up?

So now you're back on the quick fix horse. Good luck.
- MJL

There is no quick fix here, but the fix is also not as daunting as you might think it is. The Flyers have a good group of young players that can play. There are no super-stars, but they have at least 2 forwards that can score 35 goals and another one that has the potential to do so, that is nothing to sneeze at. The Flyers do have a franchise goalie IMO, who is coming off a very strong year considering he played for the 7th worst team in the league. The Flyers have good young defenseman coming up also, and are getting rid of dead weight also. Hart is not going to get traded simply because no team will pay the price neceesary to pry him away from the Flyers. Its the same reason TK is going no where.

In my opinion, and the opinion of other reliable sources, the Flyers need that 1C and Briere realizes there are three 1Cs at the top of this draft, and he wants one of them! If the ping pong balls bounce the Flyers way they will get one, otherwise the Flyers need to be aggressive and move up. The Flyers 1st this year and next plus Provorov might should be enough to move from, example, 7 to 3 or 4. This is not a quick fix, this is drafting and developing a potential super-star, which is what you should also want.

The thing is, if you are the Flyers you really can't trade him given what they gave up and they would be selling extremely low. The best bet is he comes back next year, pleays good for 3 months, no issues, and the Flyers can unload him around the deadline. If the Flyers can get a 2nd next trade deadline, that would be good considering.
- jd250

risto has played up his value too

risto has played up his value too
- 2Real

Honestly .. he just about has which I knew he would if he actually got coached for once. I knew Risto was a very coachable player and he certainly proved that this year. Still has to improve that first pass out of his zone.

One of the dumbest rights trade maybe in history lol
- ClaudeFather

Chew on this...

Remember how the Flyers traded for AMac's rights for a 2nd + 3rd? And Mark Streit's rights for a 4th?

Well those picks turned out to be: Sorokin (Vezina candidate), Brandon Carlo (top-4 dman on best team in hockey) and Devon Toews (Norris contender, Stanley Cup Champion).

Chew on this...

Remember how the Flyers traded for AMac's rights for a 2nd + 3rd? And Mark Streit's rights for a 4th?

Well those picks turned out to be: Sorokin (Vezina candidate), Brandon Carlo (top-4 dman on best team in hockey) and Devon Toews (Norris contender, Stanley Cup Champion).


- Tomahawk

That’s just insane haha. Mark streit was good here, played that PP spot very well

Chew on this...

Remember how the Flyers traded for AMac's rights for a 2nd + 3rd? And Mark Streit's rights for a 4th?

Well those picks turned out to be: Sorokin (Vezina candidate), Brandon Carlo (top-4 dman on best team in hockey) and Devon Toews (Norris contender, Stanley Cup Champion).


- Tomahawk

Andrew MacDonald was a trade deadline deal.

That’s just insane haha. Mark streit was good here, played that PP spot very well
- ClaudeFather

Trading picks for player rights is so dumb.

Like there was ever any danger that somebody else would sign his 36-yo ass until the age of 40 for $21M plus a NTC lol.

Andrew MacDonald was a trade deadline deal.
- SuperSchennBros

Ah right, my bad.

There is no quick fix here, but the fix is also not as daunting as you might think it is. The Flyers have a good group of young players that can play. There are no super-stars, but they have at least 2 forwards that can score 35 goals and another one that has the potential to do so, that is nothing to sneeze at. The Flyers do have a franchise goalie IMO, who is coming off a very strong year considering he played for the 7th worst team in the league. The Flyers have good young defenseman coming up also, and are getting rid of dead weight also. Hart is not going to get traded simply because no team will pay the price neceesary to pry him away from the Flyers. Its the same reason TK is going no where.

In my opinion, and the opinion of other reliable sources, the Flyers need that 1C and Briere realizes there are three 1Cs at the top of this draft, and he wants one of them! If the ping pong balls bounce the Flyers way they will get one, otherwise the Flyers need to be aggressive and move up. The Flyers 1st this year and next plus Provorov might should be enough to move from, example, 7 to 3 or 4. This is not a quick fix, this is drafting and developing a potential super-star, which is what you should also want.
- jd250

If you think that Hart is a franchise goalie, then you don't know what a franchise goalie is. There are no defenseman coming up that will be players to elevate the team. The season just ended and you're already starting with the pipe dreams. The Flyers are worlds away. Just as example, last year's Cup winning team, the Avalanche, fielded 6 all star level players, including 3 elite forwards and 2 elite defenseman. As well as other players just below that level who are as good if not better than the Flyers current best players. That is the measuring stick.

Honestly .. he just about has which I knew he would if he actually got coached for once. I knew Risto was a very coachable player and he certainly proved that this year. Still has to improve that first pass out of his zone.
- jd250

Ristolainen at best is a mediocre 3rd pair defenseman in this league.

If you think that Hart is a franchise goalie, then you don't know what a franchise goalie is. There are no defenseman coming up that will be players to elevate the team. The season just ended and you're already starting with the pipe dreams. The Flyers are worlds away. Just as example, last year's Cup winning team, the Avalanche, fielded 6 all star level players, including 3 elite forwards and 2 elite defenseman. As well as other players just below that level who are as good if not better than the Flyers current best players. That is the measuring stick.
- MJL

Hart was a Hexy pick, so isn't that worth something? I like Hart and feel bad he was stuck with this sad sack team.

Ristolainen at best is a mediocre 3rd pair defenseman in this league.
- MJL

Wow! Tell us something new. We've read enough about your hatred for Risto the past 2 years. I wish he was a Hexy pick so we wouldn't have to hear about your endless bashing about his low hockey IQ, etc. You should come up with new material.

Ristolainen at best is a mediocre 3rd pair defenseman in this league.
- MJL

Jesus…

Hextall will get another job in the NHL. If he wants one.
- MJL

Oh man, I’m so glad I came here today I needed a huge belly laugh 😂

Jesus…
- SuperSchennBros

Yea, RR is fine. He has played for 2 of the worst teams in the league since his debut. I agree he is not a top 2, but to say he is 3rd at best is totally biased

Oh man, I’m so glad I came here today I needed a huge belly laugh 😂
- black_francis

Lol yes, Hexy is king!

Yea, RR is fine. He has played for 2 of the worst teams in the league since his debut. I agree he is not a top 2, but to say he is 3rd at best is totally biased
- Don Nachbaur

I can’t stand Hayes. He’s exactly what I thought he’d be but along this long obnoxious Kevin Hayes road, if he played a great game or even had a good season (he only had one), I gave him full marks. Love or hate a guy, he wears the uniform, give credit when credit is due. The bar was always low for Risto, so to give him zero credit is ridiculous.

Oh man, I’m so glad I came here today I needed a huge belly laugh 😂
- black_francis

To be fair, if we're talking ANY NHL job than I think it's probably likely. I mean Nonis and Burke have gotten work in the NHL with teams and they did nothing after Anaheim.

Hextall might have been a good AGM or maybe he's a decent scout, I don't know him well enough but I certainly agree he isn't likely to get another GM position. I don't think he's good enough to call the shots or build a team.

Chew on this...

Remember how the Flyers traded for AMac's rights for a 2nd + 3rd? And Mark Streit's rights for a 4th?

Well those picks turned out to be: Sorokin (Vezina candidate), Brandon Carlo (top-4 dman on best team in hockey) and Devon Toews (Norris contender, Stanley Cup Champion).


- Tomahawk

😆 that is Flyers DNA

I can’t stand Hayes. He’s exactly what I thought he’d be but along this long obnoxious Kevin Hayes road, if he played a great game or even had a good season (he only had one), I gave him full marks. Love or hate a guy, he wears the uniform, give credit when credit is due. The bar was always low for Risto, so to give him zero credit is ridiculous.
- SuperSchennBros

You're wasting your time. When that guy takes a stand on something he will never change his mind no matter how hard you try. I bet if you really asked him he would look right in the eye and tell you that he thinks Hexy is a good GM when everything indicates otherwise. Also, Torts is the devil and we know Risto is the worst defender known to man.

Wow! Tell us something new. We've read enough about your hatred for Risto the past 2 years. I wish he was a Hexy pick so we wouldn't have to hear about your endless bashing about his low hockey IQ, etc. You should come up with new material.
- Don Nachbaur

lol, can count on hearing that everyday, along with him ribbing JD about torts and the jack adams, torts is old school blah blah blah..... new material would be welcome.

😆 that is Flyers DNA
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Haha yeah, Flyers have been helping other teams win championships for decades.

They should start filing taxes as a charitable organization lol.

The illogical part of the conversation is saying that Hart will be out of his prime when the Flyers turn the corner, but saying guys within a year of his age will not be. In reality, we don’t know when the team will turn the corner; Hart’s age is NOT prohibitive for him to be part of the future. There are many other factors, like his contract and current value in trade, but it isn’t a need to trade situation.
- NC Flyers Fan

The main issue with Hart, is the Flyers are Swiss cheese -- so many holes. You have to give to get. If traded, he could fill several holes....

Well this disconcerting. Atkinson says he went back to Columbus to get a second opinion on his injury from doctors he trusts. This certainly won’t help to quell the debate about the Flyers Training Staff.

https://www.crossingbroad...re-of-his-injury.html?amp
- Sublime55

anyone penciling in Atkinson, or a productive Couturier, for that matter, is living in a fantasy orld that rivals Mr. Grimm.

If you think that Hart is a franchise goalie, then you don't know what a franchise goalie is. There are no defenseman coming up that will be players to elevate the team. The season just ended and you're already starting with the pipe dreams. The Flyers are worlds away. Just as example, last year's Cup winning team, the Avalanche, fielded 6 all star level players, including 3 elite forwards and 2 elite defenseman. As well as other players just below that level who are as good if not better than the Flyers current best players. That is the measuring stick.
- MJL

Last year's Colorado team had several top end players (Makar, MacKinnon, Kadri, Landeskog, Rantanan and Toews) and good depth, but they also didn't have the best goalie either. There is not just one way to build a championship team. For example, I believe a team can win a cup without spending $10M on a defenseman, but they can do it with a great goalie, 6 good defenseman and a disciplined defensive system. One thing I would agree is a neccessity in today's game is forward speed and top end skill. Colorado surely had it last year, as does Tampa; the Flyers don't. However the Flyers are developing good forward depth and I project next season the Flyers should score about 50 more goals than they did this season (given Couts and Cam will be back and Foerster will play the entire season) and they will give up about 20 less goals (since they will have the puck more). The Flyers are set depth and scoring wise with their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines but they lack a true top line. TK has proven this year he can be a top line RW. Gauthier I believe will be here in 2025 and be their top line LW, so it really comes down to getting a top line center. That is why I think Briere wants to be aggressive and get up into the top 3 or 4, so he can get that player. Leo Carlsson is their target if the Flyers don't luck into the top 2 picks. So now project this forward group in 2 years if the FLyers get Carlsson:

TK - Carlsson - Gauthier
Tippet - Couts - Farabee
Foerster - Frost - Brink
Lycksell - Desnoyers - Cates

Deslauriers and Atkinson in there for depth somewhere, but you can see the potential here. Pick up a couple of FAs along the way to sure up the defense, Hart in his prime. This team can do some damage.