anyone penciling in Atkinson, or a productive Couturier, for that matter, is living in a fantasy orld that rivals Mr. Grimm.
- mr4tno

So Atkinson was told he had a herniated disc in his c6.c7 and needed surgery, but went to Columbus and decided to rehab it instead. Then he came back feeling good but couldn't make it through practice so he saw a BC doctor who told him he had atrophy in his left tricep. Then he got surgery 3 days later to repair his c6.c7 after all. So where was the misdiagnosis? After rehab and seeing the doctor at BC, he had the "old school" surgery to fuse his c6.c7. Maybe Atkinson should have just got the surgery much sooner. Now he says he trusts the medical staff for the Flyers. Its confusing.

Ristolainen at best is a mediocre 3rd pair defenseman in this league.
- MJL

Embarrassing take. Why can't you just admit you were wrong about him. I so far seem to be wrong about Frost, I can admit that. Why can't you give Risto any credit? He was the Flyers best defenseman this year, and the numbers back that up!

So Briere looking to trade up to 3 overall possibly. I would assume he will try to acquire another 1st rd pick. They must really like Carlsson because I have not read him being above Fantilli.

Well center is the weakest position in the organization.

So Briere looking to trade up to 3 overall possibly. I would assume he will try to acquire another 1st rd pick. They must really like Carlsson because I have not read him being above Fantilli.

Well center is the weakest position in the organization.
- Trox88

Where are you hearing that?

Where are you hearing that?
- Sublime55

Snow the goalie podcast with SanFillippo- reports- also Provy and the organization both want a divorce- not a surprise.

Snow the goalie podcast with SanFillippo- reports- also Provy and the organization both want a divorce- not a surprise.
- Trox88

Why would they both want a divorce so much? I feel like both sides don’t really have much of a reason for animosity. The Flyers have given Provorov top money, plenty of ice time. He seems to be one of the only players that Torts doesn’t have a problem with and actually communicates with. Provorov in return stays in top shape, gives total effort, eats up a ton of minutes and is never out of the lineup. I can see that maybe Provorov is tired of losing and might want to go to a better team and the Flyers see him as someone who they might be able to move for picks, but I don’t see why there would be any urgency from either side to part ways.

Why would they both want a divorce so much? I feel like both sides don’t really have much of a reason for animosity. The Flyers have given Provorov top money, plenty of ice time. He seems to be one of the only players that Torts doesn’t have a problem with and actually communicates with. Provorov in return stays in top shape, gives total effort, eats up a ton of minutes and is never out of the lineup. I can see that maybe Provorov is tired of losing and might want to go to a better team and the Flyers see him as someone who they might be able to move for picks, but I don’t see why there would be any urgency from either side to part ways.
- Dkos

From Provy side, it makes sense. The team has not been very competitive for most of his career. For the organization, they thought he should be a #1 Dman, which he isn't. Also, they have really good depth at LHD, so if the organization is truly rebuilding an asset of value will have to be traded to get back value. Provy certainly has value. Also, I think the jersey incident does play some part in the willingness to move him.

My personal belief was Provy and Sanheim would not be here long term. Once Sanheim was re signed, not sure the best use of cap is paying 2 not #1 Dmen 6 million or more when the rest of the team is not very good.

From Provy side, it makes sense. The team has not been very competitive for most of his career. For the organization, they thought he should be a #1 Dman, which he isn't. Also, they have really good depth at LHD, so if the organization is truly rebuilding an asset of value will have to be traded to get back value. Provy certainly has value. Also, I think the jersey incident does play some part in the willingness to move him.

My personal belief was Provy and Sanheim would not be here long term. Once Sanheim was re signed, not sure the best use of cap is paying 2 not #1 Dmen 6 million or more when the rest of the team is not very good.
- Trox88

I understand it might be mutually beneficial to move him, but I just get the feeling people are suggesting that there’s some kind of animosity between them. I don’t see it. It’s not like Provorov quit on the team and you can’t say the team has treated him badly. While I don’t like Provorov’s stance I don’t think it’s a factor.

From Provy side, it makes sense. The team has not been very competitive for most of his career. For the organization, they thought he should be a #1 Dman, which he isn't. Also, they have really good depth at LHD, so if the organization is truly rebuilding an asset of value will have to be traded to get back value. Provy certainly has value. Also, I think the jersey incident does play some part in the willingness to move him.

My personal belief was Provy and Sanheim would not be here long term. Once Sanheim was re signed, not sure the best use of cap is paying 2 not #1 Dmen 6 million or more when the rest of the team is not very good.
- Trox88

It may have something to do with the locker room dynamic. When Provy opted not to participate in the rainbow skate he was the only one. Washington, rangers and a couple more teams as a team declined to wear the rainbow jerseys.
Maybe Provy isn’t well liked among teammates and vice versa. You, don’t really see him talking to teammates on the bench.
Of course this is all speculation on my part.
Where there is smoke there is fire.
Provy being ready to move on had been discussed enough to ask questions.
Maybe he is sick of playing on poopty teams.

I understand it might be mutually beneficial to move him, but I just get the feeling people are suggesting that there’s some kind of animosity between them. I don’t see it. It’s not like Provorov quit on the team and you can’t say the team has treated him badly. While I don’t like Provorov’s stance I don’t think it’s a factor.
- Dkos

I do think "divorce" in this instance is amicable and mutual. Provy has played in every practice, shift, and game. IMO. the orgqnization had a chance to get real value from the blue line at the deadline if Sanheim was not extended. Since that option is gone, Provy has the most value right now. I appreciate Provy's time here, if he has played his last game with the Flyers, hope he has success.

It may have something to do with the locker room dynamic. When Provy opted not to participate in the rainbow skate he was the only one. Washington, rangers and a couple more teams as a team declined to wear the rainbow jerseys.
Maybe Provy isn’t well liked among teammates and vice versa. You, don’t really see him talking to teammates on the bench.
Of course this is all speculation on my part.
Where there is smoke there is fire.
Provy being ready to move on had been discussed enough to ask questions.
Maybe he is sick of playing on poopty teams.
- bird_dog_pa

There’s no guarantee the team he goes to won’t suck too.

York commented yesterday that Provorov reached out to him when he was sent down to the Phantoms and was very encouraging. Who knows what the locker dynamic is? I don’t buy that anyone was too worked up about his not wanting to wear the rainbow jersey.

It may make sense for the Flyers to move on from Hayes, but regardless, Hayes is a class act and a great person. Reading between the lines, he obviously does not see eye to eye with Torts, expects to be gone by the draft and wanted to make it clear he is not the one that wants to leave. I wish him well where ever he ends up.

Why would they both want a divorce so much? I feel like both sides don’t really have much of a reason for animosity. The Flyers have given Provorov top money, plenty of ice time. He seems to be one of the only players that Torts doesn’t have a problem with and actually communicates with. Provorov in return stays in top shape, gives total effort, eats up a ton of minutes and is never out of the lineup. I can see that maybe Provorov is tired of losing and might want to go to a better team and the Flyers see him as someone who they might be able to move for picks, but I don’t see why there would be any urgency from either side to part ways.
- Dkos

While I am not opposed to trading Provy, the team best get alot for him. There will be a gaping hole on the D if he goes. Your top pair will probably be Sanheim and Risto , not ideal.

To be fair, if we're talking ANY NHL job than I think it's probably likely. I mean Nonis and Burke have gotten work in the NHL with teams and they did nothing after Anaheim.

Hextall might have been a good AGM or maybe he's a decent scout, I don't know him well enough but I certainly agree he isn't likely to get another GM position. I don't think he's good enough to call the shots or build a team.
- Aaron_85

The idea that anyone would be rushing to get this guy in their org is pretty funny.

Maybe he can come back here and manage dollar dog nights.

Lindblom 5th round, Cates 5th round, Ersson 5th round. Decent late round pics. I looked after 3rd round because you said mid to late. Fedotov and Laczynski TBD to see if they can have NHL careers.

Not promoting or defending just listing players that became more than a tweener.
- rayc16

No. Thank you. You foujd exactly what I asked for
Thank you

The idea that anyone would be rushing to get this guy in their org is pretty funny.

Maybe he can come back here and manage dollar dog nights.
- black_francis

It may make sense for the Flyers to move on from Hayes, but regardless, Hayes is a class act and a great person. Reading between the lines, he obviously does not see eye to eye with Torts, expects to be gone by the draft and wanted to make it clear he is not the one that wants to leave. I wish him well where ever he ends up.
- jd250

I kind of figured from the get go that this marriage would be short lived. Just couldn't see these two being on the same page....no way...no how!

There’s no guarantee the team he goes to won’t suck too.

York commented yesterday that Provorov reached out to him when he was sent down to the Phantoms and was very encouraging. Who knows what the locker dynamic is? I don’t buy that anyone was too worked up about his not wanting to wear the rainbow jersey.
- Dkos

The Provorov and rainbow sweater thing has always been a no non-issue. In fact entire teams followed suit. It’s fans with fake rage who are the true problem.

Trade Provy, Sanheim, Hart, Laughton, Hayes
sign DeBrincat, Domi, Compher

From Provy side, it makes sense. The team has not been very competitive for most of his career. For the organization, they thought he should be a #1 Dman, which he isn't. Also, they have really good depth at LHD, so if the organization is truly rebuilding an asset of value will have to be traded to get back value. Provy certainly has value. Also, I think the jersey incident does play some part in the willingness to move him.

My personal belief was Provy and Sanheim would not be here long term. Once Sanheim was re signed, not sure the best use of cap is paying 2 not #1 Dmen 6 million or more when the rest of the team is not very good.
- Trox88

Ivan Provorov at minimum could have been on an Eric Desjardins and Kimmo Timonen level. The difference in my mind between Provorov and the two players I name is, Desjardins and Timonen always played for good teams. Desjardins had a steady partner in Chris Therien. Kimmo Timonen had a steady partner in Brayden Coburn. Desjardins had offensive support with an elite player such as Eric Lindros. Timonen had Claude Giroux up front in his prime years. What exactly does Provorov have?

While I am not opposed to trading Provy, the team best get alot for him. There will be a gaping hole on the D if he goes. Your top pair will probably be Sanheim and Risto , not ideal.
- Flybynight88

I agree. I’m not as high on Cam York being our next number 1 that some seem to be. To me he’s just another stick of white chock in a box of white chock.

Ivan Provorov at minimum could have been on an Eric Desjardins and Kimmo Timonen level. The difference in my mind between Provorov and the two players I name is, Desjardins and Timonen always played for good teams. Desjardins had a steady partner in Chris Therien. Kimmo Timonen had a steady partner in Brayden Coburn. Desjardins had offensive support with an elite player such as Eric Lindros. Timonen had Claude Giroux up front in his prime years. What exactly does Provorov have?
- SuperSchennBros

Provorov's problem is he stopped caring/trying

Provorov's problem is he stopped caring/trying
- 2Real

I think you’re 100% correct. You can’t begin your NHL that way he did his first 5 season and suddenly become this bad. There is absolutely more to it than that.

The Provorov and rainbow sweater thing has always been a no non-issue. In fact entire teams followed suit. It’s fans with fake rage who are the true problem.
- SuperSchennBros

I don’t know about fake rage. Not sure what that even means. I’m sure people were genuinely upset. There were also people who were weirdly super excited and happy about. It was just silly internet overreaction. People get worked up for a minute. At this point does anyone take it seriously.

I think you’re 100% correct. You can’t begin your NHL that way he did his first 5 season and suddenly become this bad. There is absolutely more to it than that.
- SuperSchennBros

Sure looked like he was busting his ass in OT of that meaningless final game of the season.