Wow Devils offense with 1 shot on goal in the first. Maybe the Isles players were pretty good against The Canes stifling defense

That includes Lee Herr Schwein !
- nyisles7

I still have hope. Me thinks a long offseason will do him some good.

I still have hope. Me thinks a long offseason will do him some good.
- Wildschwein

Lee can play. Canes held the high powdered young talented Devils offense to one goal and held them to 18 shots.

How is Palmieri only 32?? He looks like he’s my age, and I look younger than him.
- potvin05

I still have hope. Me thinks a long offseason will do him some good.
- Wildschwein

He’ll get his little shots of good play more then likely encircled by what we saw the last couple months of the season and the playoffs like the rest of our 30+ players.

If they made a coaching change, which I doubt btw, I would love to have Quennville. I could care less about his baggage. Doubt it happens for the reasons I mentioned and there seems to be some rumors he’s going to the Rangers if Gallant is gone.
- Cptmjl

Rethought this and I retract this statement. Don’t want anything to do with this guy. Not that it matters it’s not happening anyway.

I don't understand everyone's list of who not to trade. I get that we don't want several guys traded. However, all the guys on our lists to not trade don't include a top line wing. If one of those is available and is young with a good contract then anyone on this team not named Sorokin is very tradable.

I don't understand everyone's list of who not to trade. I get that we don't want several guys traded. However, all the guys on our lists to not trade don't include a top line wing. If one of those is available and is young with a good contract then anyone on this team not named Sorokin is very tradable.
- chazpet

This organization does not have the assets to trade for a good young top line winger with a good contract. Also, I don't know of too many teams that would be looking to trade a good, young 1st line winger on a good contract either

I don't understand everyone's list of who not to trade. I get that we don't want several guys traded. However, all the guys on our lists to not trade don't include a top line wing. If one of those is available and is young with a good contract then anyone on this team not named Sorokin is very tradable.
- chazpet

I can’t think of a single known available winger that matches your description.

The closest to it would probably be DeBrincat, but he’s an RFA without a contract.

He’ll get his little shots of good play more then likely encircled by what we saw the last couple months of the season and the playoffs like the rest of our 30+ players.
- Cptmjl

I dunno. Me thinks he hasn’t entirely recovered from his surgery. Mayhaps he never will.

Regardless, a longer offseason can only be to his benefit.

I dunno. Me thinks he hasn’t entirely recovered from his surgery. Mayhaps he never will.

Regardless, a longer offseason can only be to his benefit.
- Wildschwein

That’s pretty much the description of his play even pre 30’s save for his contract year imo. The problem is the rest of his game has fallen off along with the scoring. Yeah it may have to do with his surgery. All we can do is hope for a better upcoming season bcs he isn’t going anywhere.

I know there probably aren't any of those players available. I'm just saying it sounds like people on here would not be ok with giving up say Dobson or Nelly if the possibility arose. Maybe that's what people figure when they post their do not trade list??? I'm just saying if a player is available goodbye whoever.

I know there probably aren't any of those players available. I'm just saying it sounds like people on here would not be ok with giving up say Dobson or Nelly if the possibility arose. Maybe that's what people figure when they post their do not trade list??? I'm just saying if a player is available goodbye whoever.
- chazpet

I wouldn’t want to give up Nelson or Dobson unless it strengthens that position substantially.

That’s pretty much the description of his play even pre 30’s save for his contract year imo. The problem is the rest of his game has fallen off along with the scoring. Yeah it may have to do with his surgery. All we can do is hope for a better upcoming season bcs he isn’t going anywhere.
- Cptmjl

Have to love NHL contracts. What can go wrong giving late 20's grinding type players 7 years?

So if Calgary had called Islanders last summer and said hey Lou, Tkachuk wants to be traded and he wouldn't mind the island. You wouldn't give up Dobson in that deal?? I'm just asking.

That’s pretty much the description of his play even pre 30’s save for his contract year imo. The problem is the rest of his game has fallen off along with the scoring. Yeah it may have to do with his surgery. All we can do is hope for a better upcoming season bcs he isn’t going anywhere.
- Cptmjl

Yup.

So if Calgary had called Islanders last summer and said hey Lou, Tkachuk wants to be traded and he wouldn't mind the island. You wouldn't give up Dobson in that deal?? I'm just asking.
- chazpet

In that situation, I’d certainly have entertained the idea.

Have to love NHL contracts. What can go wrong giving late 20's grinding type players 7 years?
- ses111

No franchise is without problematic contracts. It’s the price one pays in order to remain competitive.

No franchise is without problematic contracts. It’s the price one pays in order to remain competitive.
- Wildschwein

NHL seems to have much worse contracts than other sports. 5 years was perfectly fair for someone like Lee. Rangers giving Panarin 7 years is fair as he has a much better offensive game and is not a grinder that will break down. I know the Rangers cannot be happy with Panarin's playoff production. You just have to be careful with the players that play a physical style and do not generate offense and that can break down long before the contract ends.

I can’t think of a single known available winger that matches your description.

The closest to it would probably be DeBrincat, but he’s an RFA without a contract.
- Wildschwein

Yep, and most certainly cannot afford him.

NHL seems to have much worse contracts than other sports. 5 years was perfectly fair for someone like Lee. Rangers giving Panarin 7 years is fair as he has a much better offensive game and is not a grinder that will break down. I know the Rangers cannot be happy with Panarin's playoff production. You just have to be careful with the players that play a physical style and do not generate offense and that can break down long before the contract ends.
- ses111

I’m not sure that’s true, I think it gets magnified because hockey is probably everyone’s favorite sport here. You look at what some of these basketball and baseball players make? It’s ridiculous. Football players want $250 million guaranteed now. Won’t even get into with the International footie, those guys make stupid money. Go look at what the Saudis are paying Ronaldo. Hell, look at what the Saudis are paying (frank)ing golfers. It’s insane.

You could actually make the argument that hockey players make the least, and their sport is the most dangerous. Lol, either way, they’re all way overpaid playing a game for a living.

I mean, Tobias Harris, a guy who grew up like 15 minutes from me, from a town I played Summer league basketball in, makes $36 million/a year. The guy averaged 14 points a game this year and has only averaged more than 20 a game one season. That’s (frank)ing mindblowing to me.

I’m not sure that’s true, I think it gets magnified because hockey is probably everyone’s favorite sport here. You look at what some of these basketball and baseball players make? It’s ridiculous. Football players want $250 million guaranteed now. Won’t even get into with the International footie, those guys make stupid money. Go look at what the Saudis are paying Ronaldo. Hell, look at what the Saudis are paying (frank)ing golfers. It’s insane.

You could actually make the argument that hockey players make the least, and their sport is the most dangerous. Lol, either way, they’re all way overpaid playing a game for a living.
- potvin05

Hockey has the hard Cap, and you really need to be careful with these contracts. Teams like the Islanders are in a tough spot now because they overpaid on players that are not top 6.

Hockey has the hard Cap, and you really need to be careful with these contracts. Teams like the Islanders are in a tough spot now because they overpaid on players that are not top 6.
- ses111

Oh I agree with you 100 percent. I was just saying, in comparison to the other “big” sports, you could make the argument they are underpaid. I mean, they’re all one bad check away from never playing again.

Oh I agree with you 100 percent. I was just saying, in comparison to the other “big” sports, you could make the argument they are underpaid. I mean, they’re all one bad check away from never playing again.
- potvin05

It's easier in Football to get out of Cap trouble. Hockey it's really tough. The money is crazy in all sports. I do not mind if the player is productive. You just have a lot of contracts for players that turn out badly. Players will rightly get as much as they can. GM's especially in hard Cap sports need to be smarter.

It's easier in Football to get out of Cap trouble. Hockey it's really tough. The money is crazy in all sports. I do not mind if the player is productive. You just have a lot of contracts for players that turn out badly.
- ses111

Like we’ve both said, none of these guys are really worth what they’re making…it’s insane. People who have real jobs, people who do the kind of stuff that should make millions live month-to-month, some week-to-week

Yeah, you can’t just “cut” a guy in hockey like you can in football. It’s why guys like Lamar Jackson want guaranteed contracts. When it came to Lee, I think everyone knew it was too long. I’m still holding out the hope he was playing hurt the last 6 weeks, he still scored 29 goals this season. It was a necessary evil, in my mind, to pay him. At least it isn’t like a Ladd (underperformed) or a Clarkson (mostly injury induced) situation where the money was never earned.

The problem is when you have like 4 or 5 of those types of contracts on your books well, therein lies the rub. Guys got paid for those 2 runs to the ECF. They weren’t “old” per se, they were always slower and streakier than what would be ideal, and they also performed best in the playoffs. Now, that’s kinda biting us in the ass a bit and that’s why you’re gonna see most of the same guys here next season.

So if Calgary had called Islanders last summer and said hey Lou, Tkachuk wants to be traded and he wouldn't mind the island. You wouldn't give up Dobson in that deal?? I'm just asking.
- chazpet

There’s certainly exceptions to every rule. Love Tkachuk always did. He’s a lot of what this team is lacking so yeah of course you consider it but they were looking primarily for a forward, bcs they knew they were losing Tkachuk, which they got in Huberdeau who was the center piece of that trade by calgarys stand point. Point is you don’t trade Dobson now unless it’s something that blows you away. Yeah he had a bad season but he’s a young, developing, defenseman with a ton of talent. His value more then likely took a big hit this past season as well.

Nelson is one of if not our best goal scorer. The best play is to keep him and add to whatever existing offense we have some other way. I say that understanding there is no other way. Doesn’t change the point. Sure you could throw out different scenarios we would trade him that more then likely won’t happen but that doesn’t change the common sense thought process of building without subtracting especially from a player who brings more then anyone else. You do that you wind up in the same place more often then not.